Woodward (old thread)

Should Studward remain as CE of Manchester United?

  • No - he should be sacked also.

    Votes: 40 22.6%

  • Yes - he should stay.

    Votes: 137 77.4%
  • Total voters
    177
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red_7 said:
we should let him do the sponsorship deals where he is good at and bring in someone (Gary Neville?) with a knowledge in football to at least support him with player deals.
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Gary Neville?! He's bought 0 players so I guess he has "never made a mistake" going for him.

And why do you assume he doesn't know enough of football to do his job? Was Gill ever known to be a football oracle?

red_7 said:
Sometimes I think he is hindered by the Glazers lack of ambition but then he makes bumper deal with Rooney or they pay lots of money for Mata / Fellaini.
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Where are you basing this lack of ambition from? And how has he been hindered? And given you contradicted yourself in the same sentence, not sure you have much to stand on.

red_7 said:
Vermalen o the other hand is typical Glazer deals, lokking for the cheap iso the best solution.
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He also happened to have worked with LVG too and to be honest, not the cheapest available if cheap was the main criteria.

red_7 said:
We could have wrapped up Garay long ago but some reason they never went for him which is a mistake. Same with Strootman last summer.
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Moyes

red_7 said:
The number of mistakes we have made in the market is alarmingly!
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Just this year? Or for the last decade?

gooDevil said:
I've filled my entire house with cabbage because the prices are so low. In a few weeks it will turn to pure gold and I'll quintuple my profits!
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Sounds like a great plan except your tagline suggests I should go short

anver said:
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Something like this?
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Hire him hire him hire him!
Who is he?
 
Miscemayl said:
Where are you basing this lack of ambition from? And how has he been hindered? And given you contradicted yourself in the same sentence, not sure you have much to stand on.
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The club has certainly lost a lot of it's financial muscle in the transfer market, with more than 600 million pounds being used to pay interest costs and fees since the takeover. However the debt has now sunk from over 700 million to under 300 million. The annual cost being reduced from 72 milllion pounds to around 20 million pounds this year. Imagine who we could have signed with that kind of money. Allthough it would have been a lot less to be honest as the incoming cash has increased substantially since the takeover. Source of the above figures... http://andersred.blogspot.de/2013/11/debt-down-fan-communications-restored.html
 
Rednotdead said:
Agreed, though if things are going ok we should be seeing signs of movement when the window opens. I'd be expecting to see at least one or two signings by the end of July. Let's face it, Van Gaal arrives in mid July at the latest (could be earlier depending on Holland's progress at the WC) so he'll no doubt be keen to have the new signings in place around that time. That's only 4 weeks away.
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Agreed, 1-2 signings by the end of July should at least be the expected minimum. Shaw and someone else (Vermaelen it looks like now)
 
Im red2 said:
The club has certainly lost a lot of it's financial muscle in the transfer market, with more than 600 million pounds being used to pay interest costs and fees since the takeover. However the debt has now sunk from over 700 million to under 300 million. The annual cost being reduced from 72 milllion pounds to around 20 million pounds this year. Imagine who we could have signed with that kind of money. Allthough it would have been a lot less to be honest as the incoming cash has increased substantially since the takeover. Source of the above figures... http://andersred.blogspot.de/2013/11/debt-down-fan-communications-restored.html
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So before the Glazers, have we been signing WC players left right and centre?

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html

Since 2005, we've signed:
- VDS
- Evra
- Vidic
- Carrick
- Hargreaves
- Nani
- Rafael
- Berbatov
- Jones
- De Gea
- Kagawa
- Van Persie
- Powell
- Zaha
- Mata
- Fellaini

Some cheap but wonderful servants.
Others massive talents and some are big money signings.
And obviously some flops too.

Not much difference to pre-Glazer days.
 
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If he fails to deliver this summer then he needs to be replaced.
I already don't like him and have 0% trust when it comes to transfer business. He has to deliver.
 
Browniee said:
If he fails to deliver this summer then he needs to be replaced.
I already don't like him and have 0% trust when it comes to transfer business. He has to deliver.
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What happens if we do get business done but the signings are somewhat underwhelming?

Players brought in like Vermaelen, Blind would have been Van Gaal's targets.
 
I think Ed will sign plenty of players this summer but whether he can land a big name remains to be seen. So far in his 3rd transfer window he has yet to land a big name that has improved us. I don't really class Mata as a major signing where we made a statement to the world of our ambition as Chelsea were desperate to sell him and we were the only serious buyers with the jury still out as to whether we needed him or not. The Mata signing if anything was more to do with Woodward and Moyes's desperation to show fans that they can land a big name as opposed to the Mata signing being the missing piece of the jigsaw whose signature for us was on such a scale that it actually made the world stand up and take notice of our ambitions such as the RVP signing did
 
NMF said:
What happens if we do get business done but the signings are somewhat underwhelming?

Players brought in like Vermaelen, Blind would have been Van Gaal's targets.
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Well then I don't see us making the push into the top 4, we need to drastically improve not replace like for like mediocre players.
 
Browniee said:
If he fails to deliver this summer then he needs to be replaced.
I already don't like him and have 0% trust when it comes to transfer business. He has to deliver.
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If he fails to deliver this summer we will be in big big trouble and Woodward wouldn't be the biggest of our problems.
 
It might be too early but given what happened last season I am losing trust on him.
 
Whats happening with our new Kit deal? I heard alot of rumblings about Adidas, UnderArmor and Warrior being touted to replace Nike. But I've heard nothing about it for 2-3weeks now.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
A lot of presumptions on your part, by "Glazer signing" I don't think he meant the Glazers went out and purchased player X, more that while under ownership of the Glazers, this is a common buy and I'm sure understood @red_7 post, you just seem to type with an air of authority when its clear you didn't spend more than a few minutes before replying yourself.

On the twitter, Vermaelen would be a good buy IMO and given time in the first XI, I think he could build quite some form, but obviously it's all speculation
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What are you talking about?

I didn't even mention Glazer signing. I don't even know what that means. Are Vidic and Evra glazer signings? Mata and Fellaini who we overpaid for glazer signings?
 
Woody had his moment last year and missed EVERYTHING, he went all wrong on signings, and unfortunately Woody's fails was represented by Fellaini.
This January, we knew that Moyes chased players and we only had Mata luckily.
He told in the Saints dressing room to Rio that he had to leave the club, very class gesture from Woody
This summer, we chased Kroos and Fabregas, they're both out of radar. We chased Muller, the same. We want Shaw, nothing happened and we resigned Pat.
He said himself that he wanted to do at least one signing before the WC.... Is it this Serbian goalie ? (when Chelsea signed Fabregas, Diego Costa and Felipe Luiz)
We lost so much when Gill left that it's a pitty having mister Woodward with us.
I hope he'll prove me wrong, but I'm not really confident with this business
 
red_7 said:
we should let him do the sponsorship deals where he is good at and bring in someone (Gary Neville?) with a knowledge in football to at least support him with player deals.

Sometimes I think he is hindered by the Glazers lack of ambition but then he makes bumper deal with Rooney or they pay lots of money for Mata / Fellaini.

Vermalen o the other hand is typical Glazer deals, lokking for the cheap iso the best solution. We could have wrapped up Garay long ago but some reason they never went for him which is a mistake. Same with Strootman last summer.

The number of mistakes we have made in the market is alarmingly!
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Gary Neville? In a business role? At Manchester United

I've heard it all now.

 
Chaky_Best said:
Woody had his moment last year and missed EVERYTHING, he went all wrong on signings, and unfortunately Woody's fails was represented by Fellaini.
This January, we knew that Moyes chased players and we only had Mata luckily.
He told in the Saints dressing room to Rio that he had to leave the club, very class gesture from Woody
This summer, we chased Kroos and Fabregas, they're both out of radar. We chased Muller, the same. We want Shaw, nothing happened and we resigned Pat.
He said himself that he wanted to do at least one signing before the WC.... Is it this Serbian goalie ? (when Chelsea signed Fabregas, Diego Costa and Felipe Luiz)
We lost so much when Gill left that it's a pitty having mister Woodward with us.
I hope he'll prove me wrong, but I'm not really confident with this business
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I'm sure he's completely devastated sorting all of these multi million pound deals that he doesn't have Chaky_Best's approval. No wonder deals aren't being done if you almighty oracle don't have complete confidence.
 
I am guessing Woodward is a very stubborn man. Maybe doesn't budge too much while dealing.

Well I am just guessing though.
 
Y2A said:
I am guessing Woodward is a very stubborn man. Maybe doesn't budge too much while dealing.

Well I am just guessing though.
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From a speculative standpoint, I think it's negotiating tactics. Woodward properly tries to "win" player negotiations and deals like he does with sponsorship deals. The problem is clubs are not about that, they will say either pay the fee we want or take a hike. It's not like Woodward has the reputation of AC Milan's Adriano Galliani around Europe to make shrewd deals at cut prices. Maybe he will one day but you need the reputation, experience and the right contacts.
 
RedStarUnited said:
He pulled this out of nowhere, same as the mata deal.
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This. People forget that the Mata deal was done stealthily too and by the time the press had a clue, he was pretty much signed.

Even with Herrera, none of the British media had a clue, Ogden even saying that the club specifically told him they weren't going for him anymore. I like it this way.
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A bit from mark ogden's article, it's a old article and posted and discussed in previous pages.


"In terms of personality, Woodward is the guy who would walk into a Las Vegas casino and plunge £1 million on red, while Moyes would shake his head and reluctantly put a fiver on black."

Mata/Van gaal/ Herrera (hopefully) - Woodward knows what's he doing.
#teamwoody:drool:

*pretend last summer didn't happen
 
Chaky_Best said:
Woody had his moment last year and missed EVERYTHING, he went all wrong on signings, and unfortunately Woody's fails was represented by Fellaini.
This January, we knew that Moyes chased players and we only had Mata luckily.
He told in the Saints dressing room to Rio that he had to leave the club, very class gesture from Woody
This summer, we chased Kroos and Fabregas, they're both out of radar. We chased Muller, the same. We want Shaw, nothing happened and we resigned Pat.
He said himself that he wanted to do at least one signing before the WC.... Is it this Serbian goalie ? (when Chelsea signed Fabregas, Diego Costa and Felipe Luiz)
We lost so much when Gill left that it's a pitty having mister Woodward with us.
I hope he'll prove me wrong, but I'm not really confident with this business
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If they're out of radar perhaps we can lure them in with radar, and the promise of more radar to come?
 
For those of you who criticized Woody severely over the past few weeks, give credit where it's due.

This potential signing of Herrera has come from nowhere without any long-winded hype behind it. Just shows that some of you believe what the papers say and think Edd was doing feck all and making a mess of things.
 
He certainly deserves all the credit in the world for firing David Moyes.

Moyes was great for Everton but obviously very poorly suited for United. I honestly wonder if we didn't get lucky doing so poorly, we could have been stuck with him for years.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
For those of you who criticized Woody severely over the past few weeks, give credit where it's due.

This potential signing of Herrera has come from nowhere without any long-winded hype behind it. Just shows that some of you believe what the papers say and think Edd was doing feck all and making a mess of things.
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He is the Glazer's man so for a lot of people it doesn't matter what happens. They just hate him regardless what he does.
 
Seems like a moneyman and last summer was a baptism of dung transfer and manager hiring<more fergie than Woody i know>.

We now have the head of the body in van Gaal,give him the money and last year will be banished for many of us.

Moyes was a terrible mistake but everyone makes them,Woody after next year i think Ed will be become a peripheral figure sink in behind the scenes and let the football men take over and he can concentrate on ripping into our debt,as that where he may shine pulling in the sponsor deals,and why he got the job.
 
gormless said:
Erm hasn't he just paid the release clause, which we could have done last year anyway? It's not like we've negotiated them down or anything. Or have I misundersood whats happening?
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The point is that last years feck up over Herrera was attributed to Woodward and that has always been used as a stick to beat him with.

The truth has come out that it was Moyes who was never prepared to pay his buyout clause and only ever saw him as a £23m signing (Moyes own words in his column). LVG has identified Herrera as a player he likes and said to Woodward "I want him, go buy him for me". So he did.

That's a credit to Woodward. It seems like you are looking for him to negotiate a £20m transfer of Vidal before you will give him any credit.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
For those of you who criticized Woody severely over the past few weeks, give credit where it's due.

This potential signing of Herrera has come from nowhere without any long-winded hype behind it. Just shows that some of you believe what the papers say and think Edd was doing feck all and making a mess of things.
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Ass me F**k. . Herrara could of been bought last season but Woodward screwed it up . All he is doing here is rectifying the disasterous transfer summer last season . . It was ALL Woodwards fault.

I know Caftards like to blame Moyes for everything that went wrong last season, but the summer of transfer disasters was ALL WOODWARD . .
 
Pexbo said:
The point is that last years feck up over Herrera was attributed to Woodward and that has always been used as a stick to beat him with.

The truth has come out that it was Moyes who was never prepared to pay his buyout clause and only ever saw him as a £23m signing (Moyes own words in his column). LVG has identified Herrera as a player he likes and said to Woodward "I want him, go buy him for me". So he did.

That's a credit to Woodward. It seems like you are looking for him to negotiate a £20m transfer of Vidal before you will give him any credit.
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Why? If we go by your narrative, LVG basically told him to buy Herrera and he did so by paying his release clause. If anything, it's a credit to LVG for being willing to match the clause and not faff about like Moyes.
 
Pexbo said:
The point is that last years feck up over Herrera was attributed to Woodward and that has always been used as a stick to beat him with.

The truth has come out that it was Moyes who was never prepared to pay his buyout clause and only ever saw him as a £23m signing (Moyes own words in his column). LVG has identified Herrera as a player he likes and said to Woodward "I want him, go buy him for me". So he did.

That's a credit to Woodward. It seems like you are looking for him to negotiate a £20m transfer of Vidal before you will give him any credit.
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Why would DM care a f**k about his buyout clause if he really wanted the player? And please provide a credible link that DM vetoed the deal because of the cost . .
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
For those of you who criticized Woody severely over the past few weeks, give credit where it's due.

This potential signing of Herrera has come from nowhere without any long-winded hype behind it. Just shows that some of you believe what the papers say and think Edd was doing feck all and making a mess of things.
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Lets keep it real, most of the credit belongs to LVG for advising Ed to keep his mouth shut during negotiations.
 
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