The time to judge is one minute after the window closes on 1st Sept. Then we'll know what deals have been done and whether he's up to the job or not. He will know that himself.
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What VG has to do with it? He hasn't even started his job yet.
Ok. Fergie off the board?
The person responsible for transfers is Woody
Fella walked in a pub, he says, "Eight brandies, please." He's knocked the eight brandies back and says, "I shouldn't be drinking like this with what I've got." Barmaid says, "What you got?" He says, "feck all."
That's Ed Woodward.
And who suffers at the end of the day ? The truth of the matter is if we had finished in the top three then we'd most likely have made a lot more money than we'd have spent if you consider that lower placed teams made more money than we made for winning the league last season . Why would the club ignore players like Strootman and then end up spending double that in signing Fellaini if their intention was to spend as little as possible ? Why sign a player like Mata for our record fee ? Imo it's the football side that is letting us down in these situations because there are the ones that are supposed yo point out to Woodward those type of targets . Woodward is our negotiator not our scout and there is a limit to what he can do to get a deal done, he can't exactly force Southampton to accept our bid and Shaw to agree to our terms in the desired time can he ?
This. Seems like people are expecting miracles from the man - we will get the players we need this time.
It's only May so I will leave my final judgement until the transfer window shuts but my confidence in this guy is low.
He should've been binned along with Moyes. He proved incompetent last summer, so why take a risk of waiting to see whether he can grow into his role potentially at the expense of another disasterous summer ?
For club as big as United its absolute mental to give such an inexperience man a high profile job as this.
It seems like club is run by idiots since both Sir Alex and Gill left.
For club as big as United its absolute mental to give such an inexperience man a high profile job as this.
It seems like club is run by idiots since both Sir Alex and Gill left.
Every single time we bought someone? This "muppet" thing has been going on for years now, can you not remember the Sneijder, Ozil, Benzema threads?
But who are the players we want? I refuse to believe our transfer list included players like Hummels, Reus and Fabegas.
We don't know yet.
I don't think that either, but I do think that van Gaal has decided who we are going after - and that there are different processes going on. We don't really need to know until it is done, even though it is boring to wait
Well with the amount that gets leaked from the club these days I wouldn't be surprised if it really did include unrealistic big names.
I love that on simultaneous threads on the forum we've got people complaining that Woodwood is leaking transfer news and other people moaning that we don't know who we're after.
Should give it time our new manager is hardly in the door and not like there has been a plethora of deals elsewhere. To much hyperbole and drama these days. Our squad is good enough for a top 4 place as it is, when we buy hopefully that will take us into contention to challenge again. Wold be great to get 4-5 players in bu in reality we probably only need 1 or 2 to challenge.
My worry is we're only linked with big names, Van Gaal is a man known to build within rather than spend so we never know but if we don't sign anyone before the world cup concerns will kick in, players prices will rise and they'll know we are desperate to sign someone and will inflate their price even more like what happened last summer.I don't think that either, but I do think that van Gaal has decided who we are going after - and that there are different processes going on. We don't really need to know until it is done, even though it is boring to wait
Well my point was that transfers aren't as clear cut as they may appear to be. Kroos just yesterday said that he didn't ever consider us as an option at all. And we were led to believe it's a done deal?
Really? Not only do we need two top quality CM's, we need a consistent and reliable CB and Winger.
Like many have said it's silly to judge him at the moment. We simply don't know enough of what actually goes on and we should judge him at the end of this window.
Last Summer he had a shocker but since then he did well in securing Mata and van Gaal.
Last Summer he had a shocker but since then he did well in securing Mata and van Gaal.
And LB, if people think Evra is should be the main man in that position they've got another thing coming.
Seems a bit harsh to judge him based purely on media speculation who we're signing.
We had a poor transfer window last summer but then from what you hear Moyes wasn't 100% confident with the players who to sign which didn't help him. Woodward has struggled to the extent that everything changed at the club, it would take a while to get used to. People are over reacting saying he's useless etc I think, no one has really made a big signing yet (except Luiz to PSG) these things tend to take time.
The main player we're linked with is Luke Shaw, I imagine it's hard to do the deal, our new manager is at a WC and so are most them players. Some people may just want to focus on the World Cup. It's understandable.
His job isn't just transfers either in fairness, yes it's a big part but not the only thing he does, obviously if we keep having poor summer transfer windows it creates a problem for him. So far though he's had 2 and in one of them he signed Mata, so it's hardly awful.
We had a poor transfer window last summer but then from what you hear Moyes wasn't 100% confident with the players who to sign which didn't help him. Woodward has struggled to the extent that everything changed at the club, it would take a while to get used to. People are over reacting saying he's useless etc I think, no one has really made a big signing yet (except Luiz to PSG) these things tend to take time.
The main player we're linked with is Luke Shaw, I imagine it's hard to do the deal, our new manager is at a WC and so are most them players. Some people may just want to focus on the World Cup. It's understandable.
His job isn't just transfers either in fairness, yes it's a big part but not the only thing he does, obviously if we keep having poor summer transfer windows it creates a problem for him. So far though he's had 2 and in one of them he signed Mata, so it's hardly awful.
Ahhh forgot LB, although Shaw isn't world class his potential is there.
My personal view on him is that he's obviously a very smart man and very good businessman. He's currently learning how to play the transfer game and I think when he gets it right he'll be worth sticking by.
All probably true. Only problem is you'd think a club like us would be able to get someone in who already knows how to play the transfer game.
Maybe it's the Glazers looking to the future. Woodward is their business Januzaj.
It's still early days and he obviously hasn't been helped by the change in management.
That said, I can't help but feel he's backed himself into a corner by talking up this transfer window. All we've heard for the last six months was that we were going to spend massive amounts and target the very best players. Was it really worth putting himself under that much pressure to deliver? He's created insanely high expectations and now he's gonna struggle to deliver anything remotely close to that.
If this transfer window does go badly (big if) then I really can't see him being given the opportunity to try again. I get the feeling our owners aren't quite that forgiving.
That said, I can't help but feel he's backed himself into a corner by talking up this transfer window. All we've heard for the last six months was that we were going to spend massive amounts and target the very best players. Was it really worth putting himself under that much pressure to deliver? He's created insanely high expectations and now he's gonna struggle to deliver anything remotely close to that.
If this transfer window does go badly (big if) then I really can't see him being given the opportunity to try again. I get the feeling our owners aren't quite that forgiving.
This, basically. All within two weeks of the season ending the following has happened: we've hired a popular new manager and fan favourite as assistant manager, signed another fan favourite on a new contract and bid an exceptional amount of money for the best 18 year old defender in the game.
What, exactly, has gone so wrong? If things go tits up this Summer I'll be the first to hammer him come September, but unlike last season, I can't be arsed with getting angry each and every day. What will be will be.
I can't understand people who defend Woodward so much when they know so little about what exactly is prime directive is with regards to transfers.
Also people quoting the mata transfer as if it was the glazers proving that after 10 years they were finally prepared to invest in the squad on par with our nearest rivals....
What a bunch of horseshit. Mata signing was sanctioned only out of desperation. Had we been comfortably in top 4 it's questionable whether or not 40mil would of been made available.
People need to grow up and wake up. The glazers only need united in the top 4 and van gaal may actually be able to accomplish that with one or two signings.
The glazers strength is PR and whoring the club to any brand that will give them a penny.
They don't give a flying f**k about fans, about the history or about anything other then tge bottom line. They are prepared to gamble with the success of the club by cutting corners, if they can make more money.
Woodward, unlike gill, is a glazer man through and through. He could easily , let's say, fly home from Australia to make it look like he's gonna try and sign a big world star and just goto the Barcelona museum.
Or he could let's say bid on a player, refuse to budge on an offer and then leak to the press that it was imposters not acting on behalf of the club. Or he could just put stupid bids in for players to make it look like the club is ambitious in its transfer dealings...
Or he might just have very little to do if the united manager has a generic 30million budget to spend. The papers can do all the promotion on how big the club is in stature and how many players we are going to sign. If we don't sign players, the manager seems to get the blame and the club owners seem to get away with any ridicule by some of the more moronic fans who somehow think a selective three year period of decent spending proves they are not a problem!!
People are expecting a little too much. Granted, last year we did some silly things and that's partly on Woodward. But it's hardly as if Gill got every deal we wanted. Nor can you do it quickly if the other sides are taking their time.
It's about doing things wisely and in a proper way, that's all we can ask. Hopefully it will get us the right deals. Sometimes it won't. No club gets everyone they want, whenever they want it. Even Real Madrid.
@Drummer, the 37m we've spent on Mata is just about the sort of money we're losing because of the lack of CL football next season. Do you really think the Glazers approved the deal just so we don't miss out on that?
I believe there's good money to spend. I don't believe for one minute the 150-200m pounds reports, that's ridiculous. But I also don't believe United being an Arsenal is the sort of branding the Glazers want for us - if only from a business perspective.
It's about doing things wisely and in a proper way, that's all we can ask. Hopefully it will get us the right deals. Sometimes it won't. No club gets everyone they want, whenever they want it. Even Real Madrid.
@Drummer, the 37m we've spent on Mata is just about the sort of money we're losing because of the lack of CL football next season. Do you really think the Glazers approved the deal just so we don't miss out on that?
I believe there's good money to spend. I don't believe for one minute the 150-200m pounds reports, that's ridiculous. But I also don't believe United being an Arsenal is the sort of branding the Glazers want for us - if only from a business perspective.
I think they key bit is the Shaw bid. He bid £27m for him, I don't see a lot else he could do without going into the realms of ridiculous. He made a very healthy bid and put the ball firmly in their court.
Regarding Fabregas, we dot seem to be showing much interest which is exactly what everyone here wanted after last year when we were strung along by him and his agent. It's clear Arsenal is his intended destination so why embarrass ourselves?
And Kroos decided to stay at Bayern Munich for now, is that such a shock? Even if he did turn us down, he was a Moyes target, Moyes put the groundwork in and now Moyes is gone so it's no surprise that the deal broke.
If you talk big, like our clubs pr machine likes to, you have to deliver..
Most people believe that the clubs prime targets would be gotten before the World Cup. Even on a basic maths level, if any of our targets have a good World Cup their value will increase and given our owners love of keeping profits, I don't think they want to be forking out more for the same player in July!
And I can't understand people who know feck all and yet try to blame the club, Glazers, Woodward, Moyes ( now van Gaal ) and feck knows who more for made up things because they base all their 'knowledge' on 'mights', 'coulds' and other hypothetical bullshit.
"Most" people didn't believe that at all. Woodward does nothing but brief big, and yes it's immensely irritating, but I'm going to give him more than two weeks before I dig the grave. Of course, those who have done nothing but preach about time would do well to follow in similar fashion..
Arsenal are very successful profit wise and united are just a bigger version of that.
SAF had us punching above our weight in Europe and in England if you factor in wages and transfers over the last 10 years...
You can't expect to dominate football if your rivals consistently spend more the you...
But the glazers don't care if we dominate or not once the money is rolling in. Arsenal and even liverpool (when not in champo league) have proven that the levels of success fans crave and the levels of success required to maintain healthy profits at a club can be very much at odds...
In short, winning is a bonus, not a target...
This might well be our intention but there isn't much Woodward can do if clubs decide to hold onto their players in the hope that their price might rise after the WC. What more would you like him to do in Shaw's case for example? He's made a big bid which allegedly involves big wages for an 18 year old.
Eh, Woodward has had over a year at this stage, why are you judging him only on last two weeks?.
Bearing in mind that moyes isn't around to take the blame anymore for Woodwards shortfalls....
Ok... Let's keep this simple...
Are we a big club like Madrid and barca or not?
Then why can't we close deals as quickly as them? When these big clubs want players they usually pay over the odds and get the deal done..
Are you saying its ok that a club of uniteds stature, worth billions, haggles over a few million?
What do you want him to do? Make signigns when the transfer window isnt' open?
Which top signings did Gill actually preside over? Rooney, Rio and Van Nistelrooy were all in the Kenyon era I believe, Ronaldo too. There was the summer of Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves and Tevez but only Tevez from those four had a few clubs after him and he was not established as a true top player by then. Most of the great signings in Gill's era were much to the credit of our scouting staff that identified relatively unknown gems on the cheap. The only big name star that Gill captured was Robin Van Persie as far as I can remember.
Gill's record on outward transfers was pretty awful too when you consider that Chelsea sold Luiz for £40m yesterday. It always seemed that we got a poor price for all our players. Only the sale of Ronaldo at the time seemed impressive but with the benefit of hindsight...................................
I think that the clubs (Woodward?) pursuit of elite players and talking to the press all the time is the big problem here. We are failing at the former and the latter is causing us embarrassment. Where are all the gems that Fergie's scouting staff used to identify?
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