This shit DID happen under Gill and Ferguson. Have you just wiped it from your memory?
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This shit DID happen under Gill and Ferguson. Have you just wiped it from your memory?
He's had all season to get deals in place. Must have forgot about that side of things with all the sponsors he's signed up.
Does this apply to every single other person in the prem who is trying to sign players right now or just Woodwood?
Not been following the other clubs. But how many have reached this point right before the world cup and suddenly found out that none of our supposed targets are for sale or want to sign for us? Surely this could all have been established many months ago.
His put himself in a hole. Talking up the summer transfer window saying we'll spend more than usual, bringing in high quality players and it's most likely we'll miss out on our first and second choice targets and will scrape the bottom of the barrel, approaching the world cup and still no signal will sign anyone before it starts.
I would also love examples.
Ok if this was the last day of the transfer window... fair enough.
As of now, no-one has signed anyone. No-one.
Reus - Not for sale.
Kroos - Not for sale.
Shaw - Wants to go to Chelsea apparently.
Cavani - Wants to stay at PSG.
Muller - Wants to stay at Bayern.
Kroos - Not for sale.
Shaw - Wants to go to Chelsea apparently.
Cavani - Wants to stay at PSG.
Muller - Wants to stay at Bayern.
He's a big doo doo head.
Why hasn't he signed us everyone yet?
Why hasn't he signed us everyone yet?
Kroos and Shaw I can see why you think we want. The rest is just paper talk. Did you honestly think we wan Cavani?
I also love how the Shaw says apparently. Apparenly 4 hours ago he was our player. Apparently papers make shit up so gullible people visit their websites.
Reus- papers have always reported it as United fancying him. Fancying is a long way away from serious negotiations. As said by many on here, especially the German posters, it was always a long shot that we'd get him seeing as his release clause only activates in 2015 and Dortmund have no reason to sell this summer. You do realise that clubs can express an interest without being in negotiations right?
Kroos- I'll give you this one. Something changed in the past week but hey, let's all automatically assume it's Woodward's fault eh?
Shaw- I must have missed the memo where he's rejected us for Chelsea. Chelsea want Moreno/Luis. Shaw is still very close to signing for us. You may quote this if the deal falls apart later.
Cavani- the latest Daniel Taylor article said that United have only reached the stage where they are exploring whether PSG even want to sell Cavani.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/23/manchester-united-edinson-cavani-cesc-fabregas
Hardly 'deals in place'.
Muller- only emerged as a potential target when LVG was signed. And the links were tenuous at best.
Completely agree with Twigginater and the Neviller. Why are we suddenly spending all our time obsessing about our chief executive when we have precisely no insight into what he's doing or even how his job works?
When do we get Falcao? That down-payment has got to kick into effect soon...
With us it's different these days we struggle to sign anyone without it turning into a saga, now watch Chelsea, City, PSG, Bayern get deals done within days.
I suppose it depends on what you believe. I just think the journos have a free reign at Old Trafford at the moment and seem to know what's going on.
I said apparently he wants to sign for Chelsea. That bit isn't clear, but the bit that the journo did say is that Shaw had stalled on the deal.
Kroos apparently was a done deal but Van Gaal pulled the plug because he didn't fit in his tactical setup.
You can't blame Woodward for that, surely.
Read the last few tweets from this guy. Informative.
https://twitter.com/Elko_B
You can't blame Woodward for that, surely.
Read the last few tweets from this guy. Informative.
https://twitter.com/Elko_B
Hold on, when did I say we had deals in place? And why do you think Shaw deal is still close?
The point I was making, which you seem to have missed, is why did it take till now to establish which of those players is and isn't for sale or wanted to actually move in the first place?
So when were all our transfer targets leaked under them?
I saw this coming.
Many people bought into what the press was saying. Clubs say things during the season to keep the fans calm(season ticket holders). We were never going to spend 200 million. None of those targets were ever going to sign for us, If you were paying attention, Man Utd began to backtrack towards the end of the season on all the things they said(transfers) during the season. This was before Moyes was even sacked. Now that we have a new manager, we are back to square one. Van Gaal is going to want his own players, not the ones David Moyes wanted. We'll sign a couple of decent players and go to "war" with what we currently have. I am confident Luis will do a good job with our squad, I am glad Patrice Evra is coming back.
Many people bought into what the press was saying. Clubs say things during the season to keep the fans calm(season ticket holders). We were never going to spend 200 million. None of those targets were ever going to sign for us, If you were paying attention, Man Utd began to backtrack towards the end of the season on all the things they said(transfers) during the season. This was before Moyes was even sacked. Now that we have a new manager, we are back to square one. Van Gaal is going to want his own players, not the ones David Moyes wanted. We'll sign a couple of decent players and go to "war" with what we currently have. I am confident Luis will do a good job with our squad, I am glad Patrice Evra is coming back.
I hope this guy isn't too accurate, not when I read comments like this from him - "I think Van Gaal would love a midfield trio consisting of Carrick, Strootman and Rooney."
How do you know Chelsea are chasing different targets?
With the Luiz money that might have changed now. If Chelsea come in and finish the deal in 5 minutes it's quite frankly embarrassing.
If we arguing over few million quid than more fool us. Like Hazard.
He also thinks a trio of Carrick, Strootman and Rooney in midfield is something Van Gaal will like if that's the case we may as well have next season as another write off.
Telegraph says they're close to Felipe Luis.
Yes, as I said, things can change quickly in transfer windows because there are so many variables involved in a transfer.
Some people getting angry. I've not even gotten into the first stages of muppet-mode for the as of yet unopened window.
You won't need to go into muppet mode if our targets consist of James McCarthy
I don't think its a coincidence that van Gaal comes in and suddenly we're distancing ourselves/being distanced from all our previously assumed transfer targets. It all seems too systematic to be true, as if it's been a decision from somewhere to suddenly do an about face and deny everything, leak we're not interested, that we might not sign X, we've cooled on Y, etc.
Unless our transfer window has suddenly fallen around us before June, I'd not put too much stock in anything. Claim, denials, counter denials, rumour, hearsay etc, all part of the transfer window fun. You must remember that everyone involved benefits from someone else thinking something other than the truth. If Shaw is negotiating terms with United wouldn't it be beneficial to him his agent to just happen to mention Chelsea are also pursuing him?
In this window journalists are just a conduit of the parties involved
Want more money? Want to pay less? Want to get a new contract? Leak! It's the way these things are done. Let's not panic too much.
Unless our transfer window has suddenly fallen around us before June, I'd not put too much stock in anything. Claim, denials, counter denials, rumour, hearsay etc, all part of the transfer window fun. You must remember that everyone involved benefits from someone else thinking something other than the truth. If Shaw is negotiating terms with United wouldn't it be beneficial to him his agent to just happen to mention Chelsea are also pursuing him?
In this window journalists are just a conduit of the parties involved
Want more money? Want to pay less? Want to get a new contract? Leak! It's the way these things are done. Let's not panic too much.
If that's the case we might as well relieve him of his duties right now. Not only is it pretty shit, but one player is a striker whilst another is out until after the transfer window with a knee injury.
If I was negotiating and I really wanted the players on the target list, this is how I would have done it, (assuming we were actually going to spend 200 million)
38 million for shaw
60 for fabregas
40 for Kroos
30 million for a centre back(if possible)
168 million with some left over(enough to allow us to increase the bids)
We will soon know if the club was just bluffing about spending the money.
You might say I am spending too much on these players, but if you really want something, then you fecking do it and don't mess around.
How many of my bids do you think would have gotten rejected?
38 million for shaw
60 for fabregas
40 for Kroos
30 million for a centre back(if possible)
168 million with some left over(enough to allow us to increase the bids)
We will soon know if the club was just bluffing about spending the money.
You might say I am spending too much on these players, but if you really want something, then you fecking do it and don't mess around.
How many of my bids do you think would have gotten rejected?
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I think it is a combination of Van Gaal and the club. I don't think the club was serious about spending too much money, and I think with the new manager, some plans on transfer may have changed. Had Moyes not gotten sacked, I still don't think we would have signed anyone. But with Van Gaal now as manager, the club now has an excuse to not spend.
Exactly. Overall and regardless of who is the chief executive, there is a stupid culture that has to change among the pen-pushers who work in working out transfers for United. Instead of arguing over a few million and refusing to pay agent fees, just accept that the game has changed and that the club must live up with the changes. With the way our people are working so slowly on transfer deals while following outdated concepts/ideologies, no wonder why we are a laughing stock.
Also, I don't buy into the need to respect the selling club or any of that shit if that's somehow in the equation. Look at Chelsea: they have no qualms with leaking out the deal with Diego Costa, now less than 24 hours before the most important game of his life.
And the other is Carrick who's past his best and that wasn't even good enough to begin with. I refuse to believe this would be true.
Don't know why we aren't going for the likes of Griezmann, Pedro, Shaqiri, Khedira, Pjanic (has he still not signed a contract extension with Roma?), Kovacic,
For some reason we don't seem to find players who aren't world class but are still quality and would improve our team by quite a margin, it's always top quality players who are either at big clubs or don't want to move to us then a large decline in quality to our back up targets. Like last summer chasing Fabregas only to end up with Fellaini, chasing Sanchez only to end up with Young, Hazard/Moura ending up with Zaha it's ridiculous and shows poor scouting.
Last summer players like Willian (who was offered to us), Schurrle, Moutinho, Strootman, Fernandinho, Illarramendi all moved clubs none are in the world class bracket but are very good players and better than what we had yet we didn't make a sniff.
For some reason we don't seem to find players who aren't world class but are still quality and would improve our team by quite a margin, it's always top quality players who are either at big clubs or don't want to move to us then a large decline in quality to our back up targets. Like last summer chasing Fabregas only to end up with Fellaini, chasing Sanchez only to end up with Young, Hazard/Moura ending up with Zaha it's ridiculous and shows poor scouting.
Last summer players like Willian (who was offered to us), Schurrle, Moutinho, Strootman, Fernandinho, Illarramendi all moved clubs none are in the world class bracket but are very good players and better than what we had yet we didn't make a sniff.
I have always said that building a strong squad does not require world class players at every position. You buy a better player than you currently have at a certain position. That should be the mindset for every transfer window. There is no need to be shooting for the stars.
Maybe the club does this on purpose knowing they can make bids that are sure to be rejected, and at the same time, pretend like they were trying to sign players,when in reality, they had no intentions in doing so. I guess that would be the cynical point of view on the issue.
Completely agree, Right now it's obvious we need two world class CM's but at the moment there is nobody available so why should that stop us getting a 7 or 8 as long as the position is improving, then next summer we go for someone better that way not only does the position improve our squad depth gets stronger in quality.
That's how Bayern have gotten so strong, they keep improving their options that even there bench includes players who'd get into most teams starting 11.
Except that with the pile of shite both Fergie and Moyes left in midfield, we have no choice but to hire some top quality. To a big extent, I blame both men for the mess left in midfield. Furthermore, the youngsters... LVG cannot expect to provide them a good environment to have them nurtured in the right way unless there are top professionals who can be looked up for as examples to follow. The Class of '92 wouldn't be what they are if it wasn't for the quality of the veterans above them (Cantona, Bruce, Pallister, Parker, Schmeichel, Hughes, Irwin, etc.). It will be exactly the same requirement for whoever comes up from the youth system if we hope to see a future star in the making.
Bayern would have told you to piss off. Same answer if the the centre back you bid for was Hummels. Southampton and Barcelona would have accepted your offers but there would be no guarantee that the players would prefer us to other clubs. This transfer business isn't as straightforward as people make it out to be.
I never said the 30 million was for Hummels. I said 30 would be available for the position. As for Bayern telling me to piss off, 40 is just the starting point of negotiations. Remember these bids are based on the assumption that I would really want these players and would do everything possible to sign them. I wouldn't really want to pay 40 for Kroos. I don't even like him that much. I also do not like Fabregas and I wouldn't even bid for him.
To tell you the truth I don't even like the list of players(except for Shaw) that have been mentioned in the papers.
Please elaborate on that. I would like to know your opinion on the names in question.
If we end up with another disappointing transfer season then something needs to change at OT.
Van Gaal out?
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