Woodward (old thread)

Should Studward remain as CE of Manchester United?

  • No - he should be sacked also.

    Votes: 40 22.6%
  • Yes - he should stay.

    Votes: 137 77.4%

  • Total voters
    177
  • Poll closed .
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I agree, I was backing you. Muppet season can drive you nuts.
Less than two weeks in. There is another 3+ months to go. People can't be losing their heads panicking now.
 
How do you know we're haggling over a couple of million with any deal? Unless you're sitting in on the discussions you haven't got a clue what's going on. You're just making up things to be annoyed at.

People really just lose all sense of reason in football transfer windows.

Actually I am judging and talking about our transfer policy since glazers joined. I'm not specifically speaking about last two weeks..
 
I really don't understand this need to keep blaming Woody for apparently 'failing' to sign players, it's completely absurd.

There are many other factors to take into account regarding last season but of course, in a time when 'blame' culture is rife we need someone to pin the blame on for our collective failings and Woody's just an easy target.
 
Just to keep things tidy here (having read through the last few pages): Both Ronaldo and Rooney were purchased by the old plc - not by uncle Malc.
 
I can't understand people who defend Woodward so much when they know so little about what exactly is prime directive is with regards to transfers.

Also people quoting the mata transfer as if it was the glazers proving that after 10 years they were finally prepared to invest in the squad on par with our nearest rivals....

What a bunch of horseshit. Mata signing was sanctioned only out of desperation. Had we been comfortably in top 4 it's questionable whether or not 40mil would of been made available.

People need to grow up and wake up. The glazers only need united in the top 4 and van gaal may actually be able to accomplish that with one or two signings.

The glazers strength is PR and whoring the club to any brand that will give them a penny.

They don't give a flying f**k about fans, about the history or about anything other then tge bottom line. They are prepared to gamble with the success of the club by cutting corners, if they can make more money.

Woodward, unlike gill, is a glazer man through and through. He could easily , let's say, fly home from Australia to make it look like he's gonna try and sign a big world star and just goto the Barcelona museum.

Or he could let's say bid on a player, refuse to budge on an offer and then leak to the press that it was imposters not acting on behalf of the club. Or he could just put stupid bids in for players to make it look like the club is ambitious in its transfer dealings...

Or he might just have very little to do if the united manager has a generic 30million budget to spend. The papers can do all the promotion on how big the club is in stature and how many players we are going to sign. If we don't sign players, the manager seems to get the blame and the club owners seem to get away with any ridicule by some of the more moronic fans who somehow think a selective three year period of decent spending proves they are not a problem!!

I can't understand people who attack Woodward so much when they know so little about what exactly is prime directive is with regards to transfers.
 
It does seem the case that we struggle to bring in the top players from abroad.

Domestic top players seem another story, especially the last few years, but we seem to bizarrely have less appeal than we should to these top bracket players even though we have the name, money and salary. I never understand it.
As most of us said when we failed to make the top 4, our chances of signing the cream of footballing talents took a huge hit. Sure people wanted to believe we are United and it wouldnt matter but it does.

Even when Moyes spoke about how players they spoke to didnt seem phased by our lack of european football next season i questioned just who he was thinking of bringing in, for the top players and mercenaries is most certainly does
 
As most of us said when we failed to make the top 4, our chances of signing the cream of footballing talents took a huge hit. Sure people wanted to believe we are United and it wouldnt matter but it does.

Even when Moyes spoke about how players they spoke to didnt seem phased by our lack of european football next season i questioned just who he was thinking of bringing in, for the top players and mercenaries is most certainly does

Oh feck off we haven't seen the end of the transfer window yet.
 
Oh feck off we haven't seen the end of the transfer window yet.
Jeez calm down, anywhere in my post did i say we werent going to buy anyone? All i did was agree with a previous poster about how we seem to be finding it hard to attract any top names...
 
Jeez calm down, anywhere in my post did i say we werent going to buy anyone? All i did was agree with a previous poster about how we seem to be finding it hard to attract any top names...

Would you also agree that every other team in the top 7 is currently finding it hard to attract names?
 
I do think Woody needs to secure a major signing sooner rather than later (ie bloody august) to allow people to start having a bit more faith in him considering the debacle last summer.
 
Last year he was a novice working with a manager with no clear ideas. Both went for impossible targets with insulting bids. This year he's working under an experienced manager according to whom, he's been given a list of targets and budget was not discussed. So:
Well known manager : check
Money available : check
Intention to spend : check
We keep saying money talks. It has proved true for other clubs. If Woodward is unable to seal the deal again, he clearly is not suited to the footballing side of the club.
 
I think he needs sacking, never swayed from that position.


However, he is probably judged on how much he has brought in, in extra revenue and that has saved his arse.
 
Really? Not only do we need two top quality CM's, we need a consistent and reliable CB and Winger.

Just my opinion if we get two players who fit well in we would be up there challenging. A front line of RVP Rooney Mata is up there with anything the league has. DDG is the best GK in the league. Carrick steady as is Evra and Rafael. Smalling Jones Evans needs improved on as does a midfielder. We don't hav a brilliant team but right now it's not a brilliant league.
 
It's what he's good at. I don't like him but you can't deny that when it comes to hooking sponsors, Woodward has no peer.
Obviously. However, he still has a lot to prove with regards to his suitability in the role of Chief Executive of Manchester United never mind taking on other positions.
 
Last year he was a novice working with a manager with no clear ideas. Both went for impossible targets with insulting bids. This year he's working under an experienced manager according to whom, he's been given a list of targets and budget was not discussed. So:
Well known manager : check
Money available : check
Intention to spend : check
We keep saying money talks. It has proved true for other clubs. If Woodward is unable to seal the deal again, he clearly is not suited to the footballing side of the club.

It's never that simple. And it's always possible someone with a bigger cheque comes in.
 
He either delivers this summer or he should be sacked, simple as that.
Definitely. Moyes was given 10 months in his job, Woodward was given longer and hasn't yet delivered. We will obviously wait until the end of the window, but he should be sacked if we dont get the right players in.
 
As of now, he is a fcuking wanker.That is of course subject to change, you know when the tranfer window actually opens.
 
Just my opinion if we get two players who fit well in we would be up there challenging. A front line of RVP Rooney Mata is up there with anything the league has. DDG is the best GK in the league. Carrick steady as is Evra and Rafael. Smalling Jones Evans needs improved on as does a midfielder. We don't hav a brilliant team but right now it's not a brilliant league.

Assuming that all of our competition stands still, which they won't. City have already said they want three players, Cheslki want ''two top players'' - would you bet on them not getting them? I wouldn't.

It's not Woodward's fault. Undoubtedly, the Glazers have greater influence in how much we offer for players. Other factors hurt us too - Manchester is not London/Barcelona/Paris. We've got a shitty squad with few players that other top players would say they can't wait to play with. We're not in the CL this year though I don't think thats too much of an issue.

Ultimately, we need to throw SERIOUS (see: Real Madrid) money at a few top players. Get two in and we will be a much stronger position.

Truth is though, these ''two players'' - We haven't really signed a top player in over 10 years, RVP aside. Maybe Mata, though £37m is ''upper mid-range'' these days.
 
I love that on simultaneous threads on the forum we've got people complaining that Woodwood is leaking transfer news and other people moaning that we don't know who we're after.

If he doesn't know who he wants, leaking a few names is a good way to judge reaction. The papers seem to love this idea, they've even suggested a price, I'll put a bid in. Or... that one's getting a big laugh on Twitter, I'll just forgot about him.
 
Assuming that all of our competition stands still, which they won't. City have already said they want three players, Cheslki want ''two top players'' - would you bet on them not getting them? I wouldn't.

It's not Woodward's fault. Undoubtedly, the Glazers have greater influence in how much we offer for players. Other factors hurt us too - Manchester is not London/Barcelona/Paris. We've got a shitty squad with few players that other top players would say they can't wait to play with. We're not in the CL this year though I don't think thats too much of an issue.

Ultimately, we need to throw SERIOUS (see: Real Madrid) money at a few top players. Get two in and we will be a much stronger position.

Truth is though, these ''two players'' - We haven't really signed a top player in over 10 years, RVP aside. Maybe Mata, though £37m is ''upper mid-range'' these days.

Berbatov Hargreaves Tevez no?
 
Assuming that all of our competition stands still, which they won't. City have already said they want three players, Cheslki want ''two top players'' - would you bet on them not getting them? I wouldn't.

They may get them, but it doesn't mean they'll be better teams, or much better. Look at 2006 when Chelsea got Ballack and Shevchenko... Or us in 2001 when we added Ruud and Veron to a team that's won three titles in a row.

There are so many variables in a football team. We have a new coach, we have several good young players who I believe only need a platform, even though next season might be too early for them to carry the torch themselves if we're looking for the title. There's a lot more our current team can do. Would it be better with the right, say, four quality additions? Yes, but sometimes you can't get everything you want. There are no perfect teams. A two right ones and progress within can still do plenty.
 
Last year he was a novice working with a manager with no clear ideas. Both went for impossible targets with insulting bids. This year he's working under an experienced manager according to whom, he's been given a list of targets and budget was not discussed. So:
Well known manager : check
Money available : check
Intention to spend : check
We keep saying money talks. It has proved true for other clubs. If Woodward is unable to seal the deal again, he clearly is not suited to the footballing side of the club.

Erm …. no. The 'experienced manager' is working under him.

When will the penny drop … Woodward runs the club and all report to him, the manager included. He is incredibly powerful at Old Trafford.

Ever since SAF stood down, only the Glazers hold more power than he does.

And he has the Glazers unreserved support and backing. Probably rightly so as his business pedigree is second to none.
 
Not sure the Madrid/Bale deal is a good contrast to our general approach as A) a lot of posters were criticising the insanity of that bid last year and B) we did in fact match that bid.

We can certainly do things better than we have been but we're never going to be able to operate in the same way Madrid does and I'm fairly sure a lot of posters wouldn't necessarily want that either.

Bale will prove a bargain. As Perez said, "the most expensive transfers turn out the cheapest" in reference to the revenue and excitement they generate.

The fact that we could even attract a welsh kid over Real is extremely frustrating.

We're a tier 2 club in terms of weight in the transfer market and attractiveness to players.

Our competition are the likes of Juventus - except they have extremely favorable conditions to sign up and coming bargains, in comparison to us that suffer mega taxes for being in the richest league in world football by a country mile.
 
Erm …. no. The 'experienced manager' is working under him.

When will the penny drop … Woodward runs the club and all report to him, the manager included. He is incredibly powerful at Old Trafford.

Ever since SAF stood down, only the Glazers hold more power than he does.

And he has the Glazers unreserved support and backing. Probably rightly so as his business pedigree is second to none.

This.
 
There are so many variables in a football team. We have a new coach, we have several good young players who I believe only need a platform, even though next season might be too early for them to carry the torch themselves if we're looking for the title. There's a lot more our current team can do. Would it be better with the right, say, four quality additions? Yes, but sometimes you can't get everything you want. There are no perfect teams. A two right ones and progress within can still do plenty.

The new coach... check

Good young players... check

First team... no good.

It goes back to what I wrote recently. Unless a good number changes are made in the first team, namely signing quality in midfield and a left-back (and possibly a new general at the back), I don't see how the environment would be perfect for youngsters to carry the torch even if only part of the deadwood (Young, Nani, Valencia, Cleverley, Fellaini) still remains. The youngsters will need more players to look up as examples and rarely anything will beat the presence of having world class players in each area of the field (i.e. at least one up front, one in midfield and one in the back 4).
 
Bale will prove a bargain. As Perez said, "the most expensive transfers turn out the cheapest" in reference to the revenue and excitement they generate.

The fact that we could even attract a welsh kid over Real is extremely frustrating.

We're a tier 2 club in terms of weight in the transfer market and attractiveness to players.

Our competition are the likes of Juventus - except they have extremely favorable conditions to sign up and coming bargains, in comparison to us that suffer mega taxes for being in the richest league in world football by a country mile.

And we thought that Ronaldo went to Madrid because he was from a Latin country. The fact is that the best players if given a chance will walk to Madrid/Barcelona irrespective of the place of their birth. I don't remember who said it but I remember reading on here that they see those clubs as sacred institutions and playing for them is an honor in itself. The English clubs are seen by many players, especially the overseas ones, just as a source of their paychecks, as kind of like franchises, the ones who exist to make profits or some other agenda of their owners.

As for our competition, the way the Premier League grew was the reason we grew into one of the biggest clubs in the world, and the growth of the Premier League will be one of the reasons why we'll slide back into the tier 2 or tier 3 of the clubs. Just my opinion. Our biggest draw was our success which is no longer a guarantee with so many other teams fighting for the league. Less trophies mean lesser global recognition which means lesser revenue. It is all a vicious circle and we'll do very well to get out of it. I don't blame Woodward as much as I blame the previous management team/board, for not investing in the squad from a position of strength.
 
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