Woman accuses Cristiano Ronaldo of rape - CR7 case only

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Arruda said:
Also read that EA sports removed him from their opening internet page. I don't know how it was before, but now when I open it there's no Ronaldo on the FIFA link and all other games have their sponsored athletes showing.
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The story is beginning to snowball now. He first stated that it was fake news but after all the attention it is getting now and with his multi million pound sponsors coming out I think this is going to crank the pressure up on him to get this sorted asap.

I just hope for both people's sake it's not true and they can both move on but it's starting to look bad from where I'm standing.
 
Certainly doesn't look great so far only know what I read but he wasn't called for the NT.
 
SCP said:
Certainly doesn't look great so far only know what I read but he wasn't called for the NT.
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Didn’t he sit out the last set of international matches too? I don’t think there’s anything in that.
 
SCP said:
Certainly doesn't look great so far only know what I read but he wasn't called for the NT.
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I’m sure he asked to miss the NT games this year?

Anyway this story is getting bigger and bigger. Feeling shit will hit the fan soon.
 
I do find it hard to believe that Ronaldo would be involved in something like this, tbh, it just doesn't seem his sort of style.

Something must have gone on though.

Maybe he thought he had the go ahead, after spending the evening at the night club and getting her back to his room, I think most people would though.

I met a girl on the beach on holiday and ended up back in my room, after spending all afternoon chatting. It wasn't until she got her tits out that I actually felt that I had a proper green light, and even then it was "Do you mind if I do this?" and "Can I do that?" and she was all "You can't do that!" and "Don't do this". I was pretty annoyed in the end because she blew me out for our dinner date and I missed out on the Ravioli restaurant I was looking forward to. fecking woman, I even gave her the money to buy condoms! :mad::(
 
Sassy Colin said:
I do find it hard to believe that Ronaldo would be involved in something like this, tbh, it just doesn't seem his sort of style.

Something must have gone on though.

Maybe he thought he had the go ahead, after spending the evening at the night club and getting her back to his room, I think most people would though.

I met a girl on the beach on holiday and ended up back in my room, after spending all afternoon chatting. It wasn't until she got her tits out that I actually felt that I had a proper green light, and even then it was "Do you mind if I do this?" and "Can I do that?" and she was all "You can't do that!" and "Don't do this". I was pretty annoyed in the end because she blew me out for our dinner date and I missed out on the Ravioli restaurant I was looking forward to. fecking woman, I even gave her the money to buy condoms! :mad::(
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I could understand thinking he had the go ahead, but surely that ends when she explicitely indicates that she isn't ok with it. If you continue after that, there's no excuse really.
 
Eire Red United said:
If she was bothered about criminal charges, this would have came out years ago.
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Here we go again with the "I know exactly what goes on in the minds of rape victims and they all follow a straightforward predictable schematic I will now enlighten the Internet about."

It looks like some sort of low iq exhibitionism at times.
 
Adisa said:
The state of this.

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Pathetic from Juve. What's the point of this? To make Ronaldo feel a little bit better? What if he's found guilty? Club will look like absolute mugs (and they do already).
 
Daysleeper said:
An American woman accuses football player Cristiano Ronaldo of having raped her. In Der Spiegel she brings out her story. A statement from Ronaldo partly confirms her side of the story.

It is a legal battle between unequal parties: on the one hand Cristiano Ronaldo, 33, soccer world star. On the other side Kathryn Mayorga, 34, a blank sheet from Las Vegas. Once they crossed their paths: on June 12, 2009 in a nightclub and then in apartment 57306 of the Palms-Hotel in Las Vegas.

The German weekly Der Spiegel reported last year that Mayorga accused the footballer of having raped her in the penthouse apartment. Although the footballer denies everything and says that it was sex with mutual consent, months later it came to an arrangement between the lawyers of Mayorga and Ronaldo. He paid the woman 375,000 dollars (324,000 euros). In return, the alleged victim gave a written guarantee that she would never speak of the accusations.

She does not want to keep that promise nine years later today. She tells Der Spiegel why she breaks the silence. She also describes how she met Ronaldo, how he would have raped her, how it came to the settlement and how she suffers from the consequences of that one night in June 2009. "I never ceased to accept him and myself complain. He for what he did and for me because I signed that agreement. "

Mayorga now comes out with her story because her new lawyer, Leslie Mark Stovall, has filed a complaint against Ronaldo.

For months, Stovall, 65, studied the case. "Our complaint aims to have the settlement and the silent contract annulled," says Stovall. "Kathryn was unable to sign such an agreement because of the psychological damage she suffered as a result of the abuse. This makes the contract voidable. '

According to Stovall, Ronaldo's lawyers would have been aware of the psychological state of his client. "They used that for their purposes." The unstable state of Mayorga is also covered in e-mails from Ronaldo's lawyers.

In April of this year, a forensic psychiatrist examined Kathryn Mayorga at the request of Stovall. The professor noted that the woman suffers from post-traumatic stress and depression as' direct and exclusive consequence of sexual violence by Ronaldo '.

Record transfer

The night of the alleged rape starts in the VIP section of the Rain nightclub, in the Palms Casino Resort. Ronaldo is on holiday with his brother-in-law and his nephew. It was the summer when Ronaldo went from Manchester United to Real Madrid for the (then) record transfer amount of 94 million euros.

Kathryn Mayorga is out with a friend that evening, she says to Der Spiegel. Then someone suddenly touches her arm: Ronaldo. "He said something of: you, come with me."

Ronaldo would have laughed at her because she did not follow him right away, she says. Then he would have taken her a drink and introduced her to his entourage. They talked a little and then he would have asked her phone number. "I gave it, then he left. I thought: okay, cool. "

Ronaldo later sent her a text message, says Mayorga. The woman, her friend, Ronaldo and his group met in the lobby of the Palms, after which they went together to the apartment of Ronaldo. Some would have sat down in the jacuzzi. Ronaldo offered her swimming gear, says Mayorga.

Mayorga says she went to a bathroom to change clothes. When she was only wearing shorts, Ronaldo suddenly came in, with his sex out of his pants. "He was standing next to me and wanted me to touch his penis. He begged me: it's only for 30 seconds! I said no. Then he said that I had to put him in the mouth. What an idiot! I laughed and thought: this is a joke. This guy is so famous and he looks so good, but he's a creep. "

Ronaldo would not have left it. "At one point he said something about it: I'll let you go if you give me a kiss. And I said, okay. I kiss you, but I do not touch you. "

Kathryn Mayorga ensures she has only kissed and never touched him. But the kiss would only have made him even more horny. "He touched me everywhere, also from below and he wanted to kiss me everywhere. I pushed him away from me and said no again. "

According to Mayorga, Ronaldo did not give up and pulled her to a bedroom. "I pushed him away again. He has tried to take off my underwear. I then rolled up in a ball and tried to protect my vagina with both hands. Then he jumped on me. "She says she called" no, no, no. " But Ronaldo would have raped her anally, Kathryn Mayorga claims. Without condom, without lubricant.

Questionnaire

The next day, Mayorga goes to the police and shows them at the University Medical Center. The case was given a reference number that appears later in the settlement between Mayorga and Ronaldo. At the police, Mayorga is silent about the identity of the man who would have raped her.

She is advised by her lawyer. He advises her not to come out with the story. But Mayorga did not want to leave it for what it is: "I wanted to teach him a lesson. And I wanted him to pay the therapies that I was sure I would need them for. I never wanted to enrich myself. But I wanted to be able to look into his eyes and say what he did to me. "

From documents that the Football Leaks whistleblowing platform has passed on to Der Spiegel, it appears that Mayorga's then lawyer contacted a Ronaldo lawyer in July 2009. In the months that followed, a whole team of lawyers dealt with the accusations. They raise a hundred questions for Ronaldo, his brother-in-law and his nephew.

In that document Ronaldo receives the alias' X. 'Kathryn Mayorga is' Ms. C '.

There are multiple versions of the questionnaire. The questions remain similar, but the answers are not. In a December 2009 version, Ronaldo talks about sex with mutual consent. He also says that he did not receive any signals that she did not agree with sex, or that she felt bad afterwards.

But there is another, older version of the questionnaire. De Standaard has also been able to view that document. That questionnaire was sent by mail in September 2009. The sender is a lawyer from the office of Carlos Osório de Castro, a confidant of Ronaldo. The recipients of the e-mail were Osório de Castro and another colleague.

'No, no, no'

On the question if Ms. C (Mayorga, ed.) Would have raised, shouted or called her voice, replied X (Ronaldo, ed.):

"She said no and stop several times." She would have been lying on her side. "I pushed her past behind. It was brutal. We have not changed the position. 5/7 minutes. She said she did not want it, but she kept herself available. "And further:" She has always said no. "Do not do it. I'm not like the others. "In retrospect, I apologized." But she would not have shouted or called.

Question: Does Ms. C said something about it that the sex would have been too brutal for her? X: 'She did not complain about it being too brutal. She complained that I forced her. She did not say she would go to the police. "

Ronaldo confirms in that version of the questionnaire that Mayorga has said no more than once. And he apologized to her afterwards. There are contradictions about whether Kathryn Mayorga would have satisfied him by hand. He says yes. She says not.

He also describes a foreplay in the bathroom. He also describes the previous acquaintance in the nightclub differently than she does: the women would have asked to be in the VIP section and have drunk a lot. Phone numbers would not have been exchanged. Ronaldo would have invited the women in the club to his hotel.

Kathryn Mayorga, as Ronaldo's group of friends recalls, would not have come across as disgusted when she later came out of the room.

'Police hampered'

The testimony of Ronaldo to his lawyers is an important piece of evidence for Stovall, the new lawyer of Mayorga. The settlement that both parties concluded at the time would, according to him, have the aim of obstructing the police investigation. That's not allowed. There is no doubt that everyone has the right to defend themselves against accusations. But there is a red line: to want to hide a crime is also a crime. '

Kathryn Mayhorga has quit her job because now she says she needs all her strength. She lives in hiding and wants to be unreachable.

Ronaldo was also unreachable. In the past year and a half, Der Spiegel has given him several times the opportunity to give his version of the events of 2009. All attempts led to nothing. 'Any news about this would not be legal', a Ronaldo lawyer reported.

The police have had several contacts with Kathryn Mayorga over the past few weeks and have questioned her again. In Nevada, sexual violence never lapses if it is documented in time by the police.
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Only just decided to read into this properly, but this doesn't fit at all with the videos we've seen of the two. She is clearly interested in at least dancing and kissing on the dancefloor videos. Did she change her story at all since the quoted story?
 
This is a man who paid off a woman to give up the son she had with Ronaldo so that his mother and sister could raise him. Anyone capable of doing that is capable of rape, I'm going to say there's no smoke without fire on this one. He's probably a rapist.
 
That'sHernandez said:
This is a man who paid off a woman to give up the son she had with Ronaldo so that his mother and sister could raise him. Anyone capable of doing that is capable of rape, I'm going to say there's no smoke without fire on this one. He's probably a rapist.
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There are many reasons to bash Ronaldo but we don't need to start spreading tabloid stories like they are fact. For all we know she was a surrogate like with the twins.
 
pocco said:
Only just decided to read into this properly, but this doesn't fit at all with the videos we've seen of the two. She is clearly interested in at least dancing and kissing on the dancefloor videos. Did she change her story at all since the quoted story?
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Dancing and kissing on a dancefloor doesn't mean consent to sex is given, and even in the event consent to sex is initially given, that consent can be relinquished at any time (by both parties) and therefore even sexual activity does not constitute consent. And that's not mentioning if the woman is in such a (drunken) state that consent cannot be reasonably be given by the time they make it to the hotel room.
 
What I don't really get is; there is no talk of him restraining her in any way, correct? Then surely it wouldn't be hard at all to not get penetrated (anally too which is even harder) by someone you are having sex with? Seeing as there is nothing holding you in place. Because she consented for normal sex, right? Or am I wrong there aswell? Because if I am then scrap everything I said.

Not saying it didn't happen or anything before everyone gets on their high horse. Just think it's a bit weird that's all.
 
Vato said:
What I don't really get is; there is no talk of him restraining her in any way, correct? Then surely it wouldn't be hard at all to not get penetrated (anally too which is even harder) by someone you are having sex with? Seeing as there is nothing holding you in place. Because she consented for normal sex, right? Or am I wrong there aswell? Because if I am then scrap everything I said.

Not saying it didn't happen or anything before everyone gets on their high horse. Just think it's a bit weird that's all.
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Rape can be done by coercion as well as by force. For example with the Harvey Weinstein victims, he was in a position where women felt they had to do what he said to further their careers. Perhaps not directly applicable but to say Ronaldo, even in 2009, is not a man with a position of power is probably inaccurate.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Rape can be done by coercion as well as by force. For example with the Harvey Weinstein victims, he was in a position where women felt they had to do what he said to further their careers. Perhaps not directly applicable but to say Ronaldo, even in 2009, is not a man with a position of power is probably inaccurate.
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Ok, I get that but I mean from her point of view. She said no so she might aswell just not let him do it if she wasn't forced surely? I get that you'd do it if you feared for your life or something but I don't think that's the case here. In the videos, she seemed to be flirting more with him than he did with her and I think I've read somewhere that she didn't even know who he was? Seems like a difficult case for sure. Are polygraphs used for cases like this sometime seeing as it happened such a long time ago?
 
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Vato said:
Ok, I get that but I mean from her point of view. She said no so she might aswell just not let him do it if she wasn't forced surely? I get that you'd do it if you feared for your life or something but I don't think that's the case here. In the videos, she's seemed to be flirting more with him than he did with her and I think I've read somewhere that she didn't even know who he was? Seems like a difficult case for sure. Are polygraphs used for cases like this sometime seeing as it happened such a long time ago?
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Lie detector tests aren’t accurate.
 
Tommy said:
Pathetic from Juve. What's the point of this? To make Ronaldo feel a little bit better? What if he's found guilty? Club will look like absolute mugs (and they do already).
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Apparently they've contacted a T-shirt printers in Liverpool. ;)
 
Vato said:
Ok, I get that but I mean from her point of view. She said no so she might aswell just not let him do it if she wasn't forced surely? I get that you'd do it if you feared for your life or something but I don't think that's the case here. In the videos, she's seemed to be flirting more with him than he did with her and I think I've read somewhere that she didn't even know who he was? Seems like a difficult case for sure. Are polygraphs used for cases like this sometime seeing as it happened such a long time ago?
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Don't know about US legislation/procedure but in the UK polygraph tests aren't admissible in court and can't be used as evidence. Edit: Because as Nanook said, they aren't accurate.

There are all sorts of forms of coercion, not necessarily negative ones like threats on her life. This is purely an example but Ronaldo could have offered her contacts with modelling agencies etc., you just don't know, and even if she consented on this basis but felt she had to because of the pressure Ronaldo put on her, it's still rape.

Fact is, however, the statistics on fake rape allegations compared to real allegations are astronomically small, especially when you consider most rapes go unreported; generally a person doesn't make allegations of rape in this regard if there is no truth to it. Of course I could be wrong
 
That'sHernandez said:
Don't know about US legislation/procedure but in the UK polygraph tests aren't admissible in court and can't be used as evidence. Edit: Because as Nanook said, they aren't accurate.

There are all sorts of forms of coercion, not necessarily negative ones like threats on her life. This is purely an example but Ronaldo could have offered her contacts with modelling agencies etc., you just don't know, and even if she consented on this basis but felt she had to because of the pressure Ronaldo put on her, it's still rape.

Fact is, however, the statistics on fake rape allegations compared to real allegations are astronomically small, especially when you consider most rapes go unreported; generally a person doesn't make allegations of rape in this regard if there is no truth to it. Of course I could be wrong
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1. It is not astronomically small (that's an exaggeration)
2. The statistics use situations where the fake rape has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. The fallacy here is that if an allegation has not been proven false, then it is true. That is not true of course. The vast majority of cases end up in the "we don't know" zone.
3. However the stats fall, they have no bearing on the merits of an individual case. Or they shouldn't, at least. If the converse (most allegations are fake (they're not)) was true, it would be a travesty to assume the accuser was lying based on that.
 
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Ok, I get that but I mean from her point of view. She said no so she might aswell just not let him do it if she wasn't forced surely? I get that you'd do it if you feared for your life or something but I don't think that's the case here. In the videos, she seemed to be flirting more with him than he did with her and I think I've read somewhere that she didn't even know who he was? Seems like a difficult case for sure. Are polygraphs used for cases like this sometime seeing as it happened such a long time ago?
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I don't see what good it would do to speculate about whether she physically resisted or why she would or wouldn't do that. If she did actually tell him to stop, that's where consent ends. No amount of flirting, prior consent or lack of physical resistance changes that fact. There's no grey area here.
 
pocco said:
Only just decided to read into this properly, but this doesn't fit at all with the videos we've seen of the two. She is clearly interested in at least dancing and kissing on the dancefloor videos. Did she change her story at all since the quoted story?
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Did you read the bit where Ronaldo supposedly admitted she said no several times during it?
 
adexkola said:
1. It is not astronomically small (that's an exaggeration)
2. The statistics use situations where the fake rape has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. The fallacy here is that if an allegation has not been proven false, then it is true. That is not true of course. The vast majority of cases end up in the "we don't know" zone.
3. However the stats fall, they have no bearing on the merits of an individual case. Or they shouldn't, at least. If the converse (most allegations are fake (they're not)) was true, it would be a travesty to assume the accuser was lying based on that.
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The statistic is between 2 and 10%, when compared to the 80% of rapes/sexual assaults that don't get reported (relevant because this allegation was initially in this category), the statistic is astronomically small.

Edit: You're right, though. This is arguing semantics and gives little credence to the merits of this specific allegation. I suppose I wanted to get on my soap box a little bit because there are plenty of troglodytes in this thread who think or say "Why would Ronaldo have to rape someone to have sex? She must be lying" and I see that as an issue for the community, but society at large. A woman doesn't have to have sex with Ronaldo if she doesn't want to, it doesn't matter how rich or famous he is.
 
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That'sHernandez said:
The statistic is between 2 and 10%, when compared to the 80% of rapes/sexual assaults that don't get reported (relevant because this allegation was initially in this category), the statistic is astronomically small.
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This may be a semantics point but 10% is not "astronomically small".

And again the comparison is flawed. One statistic has been proven so in courts of law. The other hasn't. It's comparing apples to oranges.
 
adexkola said:
This may be a semantics point but 10% is not "astronomically small".

And again the comparison is flawed. One statistic has been proven so in courts of law. The other hasn't. It's comparing apples to oranges.
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A fair argument, however I don't think the 80% is a figure plucked out of nowhere, I'm at work so I haven't really done the necessary reading to argue properly. I have edited my earlier post and I think we're (probably) largely on the same page on this.
 
He was questioned by the Met when he was 20 years old on a separate allegation. The Police didn’t process due to lack of evidence, but two separate unrelated allegations become a ‘trend’.
 
SirAF said:
Didn’t he sit out the last set of international matches too? I don’t think there’s anything in that
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Yes. Its true he probably wouldn't be called for this next games even if nothing happened, but certainly we need to see what will happen in 2019.
Lay said:
I’m sure he asked to miss the NT games this year?

Anyway this story is getting bigger and bigger. Feeling shit will hit the fan soon.
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Yes its true. Lets wait and see.
That'sHernandez said:
This is a man who paid off a woman to give up the son she had with Ronaldo so that his mother and sister could raise him.
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Wow, never nothing like that happened in Human History.
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Anyone capable of doing that is capable of rape
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No shit Sherlock.
That'sHernandez said:
I'm going to say there's no smoke without fire on this one.
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Lets see, you probably have special superpowers to see the light. Unfortunately I don't. They usually say the Internet is full of experts who knows.
 
I just googled this story because I have largely ignored it and wanted to at least have a little understaning of what was going on, and one of the top articles that came up was this. I'm only posting the headline as I'm not sure on the rules of linking an article.

RON'S ROOM
Inside Cristiano Ronaldo’s £775-a-night Las Vegas penthouse where Juventus star is accused of raping model Kathryn Mayorga

I know The Sun are an utterly classless "paper", but is this not completely inappropriate even by there standards?
They're treating a potential rape like some sort of gaudy episode of the lifestyle of the rich and famous. How bankrupt do you have to be as a journalist to think of doing this kind of article during these allegations. Am I being overly sensitive to be taken aback by this?
 
Mike Oxard said:
He was questioned by the Met when he was 20 years old on a separate allegation. The Police didn’t process due to lack of evidence, but two separate unrelated allegations become a ‘trend’.
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I remember that case and there was some third party evidence that suggested it wasn't true. The women involved went out drinking with Ronaldo (and his sidekick) again after having sex.

This new case needs to be treated seriously in its own right.
 
Vato said:
What I don't really get is; there is no talk of him restraining her in any way, correct? Then surely it wouldn't be hard at all to not get penetrated (anally too which is even harder) by someone you are having sex with? Seeing as there is nothing holding you in place. Because she consented for normal sex, right? Or am I wrong there aswell? Because if I am then scrap everything I said.

Not saying it didn't happen or anything before everyone gets on their high horse. Just think it's a bit weird that's all.
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She said she was lying on her side in embryonal position, covering her vagina with her hands, because she didn't consent to sex of any sort. In that position he allegedly raped her anally.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...an-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634.html
 
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