I'm talking about the style of journalism the other poster was criticizing. Don't know how that can be seen as anything other than unsurprising, given the paper in question. I think you misunderstood me.
Woman accuses Cristiano Ronaldo of rape - CR7 case only
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I'm talking about the style of journalism the other poster was criticizing. Don't know how that can be seen as anything other than unsurprising, given the paper in question. I think you misunderstood me.
Damn, that sounds bad indeed then.
The more that’s revealed the more damning it sounds for him.
Horrendous stuff.
Indeed. "No" and "stop", several times (apparently according to his own account). Plus, she reported the incident to the police the next day, and was examined, with photographs taken and evidence gathered. I think he's in pretty serious trouble.
But how it would be proved that it was non-consensual?
You are absolutely right, my mistake, should have asked first.
In that particular case you are spot on, not going to dismiss anything related with sensitive subjects like this.
Nothing's in court yet, so we're looking at her public statements and some emails stolen from Ronaldo's lawyers. In amongst the stolen emails there's what looks like an admission that he heard her say no and stop several times - which sounds like the starting point of any actual investigation.
If the Football Leaks e-mails were to be used as a proof on a court in Portugal it would be denied, I think that's not the case on the United States.
Has there actually been any suggestion that the damning questionnaire that was leaked was either inaccurate or inauthentic? So far I've just seen it suggested that the way it was obtained was illegal.
The legal issues may be complex but surely the moral ones aren't? If the questionnaire is genuine then people will rightly judge Ronaldo guilty regardless of how it plays out legally in terms of being admissible or not.
The legal issues may be complex but surely the moral ones aren't? If the questionnaire is genuine then people will rightly judge Ronaldo guilty regardless of how it plays out legally in terms of being admissible or not.
She did that, but then decided to just drop it? On promise of payment?
That cannot go in her favour 9 years on surely?
How does your mind work pal?!
How is the son business any sort of sign of being a potential rapist?
Thank goodness you aren't any sort of lawyer or judge
It goes even less in his favour though.
It's natural that people back up on the face of life changing money. It is also understandable that they eventually realise it wasn't enough or wasn't worth it.
As for the 9 years, well... I think the answer is obvious.
Especially in the context of other women speaking out against high profile men. Regardless of what people think of the #metoo phenomenon it's certainly easy to see how it would cause women who didn't go public before now to reconsider.
How does your mind work pal?!
How is the son business any sort of sign of being a potential rapist?
Thank goodness you aren't any sort of lawyer or judge
It’s someone using their financial power to intimidate and manipulate, a classic sex offender trait. Any lawyer or judge would agree with that, I know because my job is working face to face with convicted sex offenders.
I imagine a lot of people who have miserable relationships with their kid's other parent would love to have the money to pay them to stay out of their life.
But I doubt most of them would automatically be rapists!
So... whats the real translation?
Any Portuguese speaker here who can translate the original ?
Where is the original if I may ask?
The translation is as quoted in the original article by Der Spiegel.
Somewhat dreading the game at OT if Ronaldo is available. Him getting a hero’s welcome with this hanging over him would be a little awkward.
It would be a massive mistake by Spiegel tbh. So probably there is nothing wrong on that one.
Just go and read the documents submitted in Nevada if we want to read the source of what her lawyer’s are alledging happened. In it, she claims he raped her with her telling him to stop and no repeatedly, and leaked documents show Ronaldo acknowledging that with his damage control team.
http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-43488.pdf
He doesn't have to be received like a hero or devil. Untill is proven he is guilty he shouldn't be already convicted, easier said than done of course, interesting to see if this will affect him on the pitch tomorrow, not that its the most important regarding this subject.
I have no idea. I read that post and was wondering if there was any chance of it being translated incorrectly.
If that leaked document is real and the translation is accurate, there isnt anything to discuss, is there? He is pretty much admitting to it.
Was the original document ever released?
If its proven the source of the leaked emails is correct in the United States I think it can be used against him on court. If the case was in Portugal I think hacked emails can't be used as evidence not 100% sure.
Does not look good.
No white text? Wtf?
I've seen this translation problem being mentioned, but even if you can dispute the word "parar" ou "parou" (although even the "less bad" interpretation would imply she was in pain) which would change the meaning, the part where he said "ela disse não", can only be translated one way: "she said no". No way to interpret it any other way.
I think this is the biggest problem isn’t it. Nothing has been proven but people have already made their minds up about it and his reputation in many ways will never be the same.
I feel sorry for his kids.
Look I also admire him being a player for my country and he has the right to defend himself but there is a redline here. If he did something wrong he has to be judged like a normal citizen, not guilty or inocent just because he is rich and famous. This are serious charges to be entirelly dismissed only because we like someone, or to be already convicted if you don't like the person too.
@maniak No they wouldn't mess up with this translation, Spiegel is not Correio da Manhã.
Not sure why translations are even being discussed when you can just read the complaint documents submitted in Nevada. Have I missed something?
I agree. My point was that with a previous similar allegation, this current one takes on more credibility.
The translation 'problem' is a problem with the Portuguese translation of the German article which wasn't done very well.
The paper in question were simply providing a translation of the German claims. They were not claiming to be quoting the original documents and the article I believe has since been ammended to better reflect what was said in Germany.
The paper in question were simply providing a translation of the German claims. They were not claiming to be quoting the original documents and the article I believe has since been ammended to better reflect what was said in Germany.
That reads like a piece of fan fiction.
No mention of dancing with Ronaldo, of which we have seen video, just a quick chat and her number.
It's snowballing and it sounds fecking awful. If any of it is true, he deserves to rot in jail. Of course he won't. At the very least he should pay out huge amount of money a lose all his sponsors. Anyway, sounds damning but I will wait until all the facts are revealed before making a final judgement.
Firstly I haven't read much of this thread barring a few posts on the first page, and I do get that you have backtracked with the edit a little bit.
That notwithstanding, this might be the worst post I have ever read on RedCafe.
I would suggest that in addition to educating yourself on the facts of this case, you should also educate yourself on the law of rape and sexual assault, prevailing attitudes that the MeToo movement are fighting against and the myriad cases involving abuses of power and sexual crimes that have come to light recently before commenting on issues like this.
I would tend to agree with you on this being one of the worst posts around, but then on this same page we have “It was ten years ago. She can feck off”. I think that absolutely has to take the cake for the worst post ever.
Eh....?
What sort of post is this? Fecking hell.
Apparently he's now saying it's all part of the revenge plan of Fiorentino Perez.
Any quotes? That sounds delusional.
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