With Jose still in charge - I am NOT looking forward to next season

[Fully Fledged]

You can hold both opinions without any contradiction.

Judging a season on trophies (which is not unreasonable) we did have a better season than Spurs last year.

Scoring more goals, getting more points and finishing ahead of Spurs/Liverpool is an obvious improvement on our league campaign of 2016/17.

Don’t know how anyone can disagree with any of the above?

6th on 69 points with 2 cups>2nd with 86 points.
But
2nd with 81 points> 6th on 69 points with 2 cups.

You can't take the 2 cups out of the equation. We have won nothing this season. So either our season was better than Spurs last season which means we have regressed or Spurs season was better than ours last season. You can't cherry pick the bits you like to prove a point.

 

[The United]

If I’m honest, the thought of spending another hundred million quid on new players fills me with dread. All that means is yet more transition, waiting for new players to bed in and settle in the league. Next thing you know, we’re out of the title race, Mourinho is blaming the players and it’s this season all over again.

I’m desperately hoping we sign one, maybe two, fullbacks and otherwise make the most of what we have. Maybe another CM as a squad player. Bollocks to another massive overhaul. Mourinho’s been here two years. We shouldn’t be taking about 3, 4 or 5 or new first-teamers.

Agreed. I don't know why people are so excited and hopeful with a high number of signings.

I don't remember any team successful with it in the same season. Let alone with us except in 2008?

Not to mentioned our manager's record with half of his signings getting binned or not working out within a season or two so far.

 

[Red_Legion]

I expect 3 weeks(pending fixtures) of positivity combine with whatever is added from the muppet season before we go back to being crap and having another zombie season with the odd amazing result here and there. This team has very little highs but an amazing capacity for jaw dropping lows, lows that you never see coming until it does and you wonder how they managed to pull that off.

 

[eldoherz]

I get why people want Jose gone, at times the football has been dire (Sevilla at OT still hurts) his seeming inability to integrate any sort of effective coherent attacking system despite a wealth of players at his disposal and his inability to consistently bring youth through being the biggest issues.

Sacking Jose right now makes zero sense though, whats the real plan? Will the fans, board and sponsors really be okay with another protracted building period where we are risking sliding back down the table? We claim to want stability yet he we are advocating a 4th manager in 6 seasons.

Jose has his problems but we as a club need some sort of coherent plan to move on from him. Right now nothing at all seems to suggest that's in place. For example Spurs and Pool have taken longer term bets on more progressive modern coaches and in both cases seem to be paying off. Even City had a plan leading up to the eventual arrival of Pep. On the other hand Chelsea (to a lesser extent) Real, Barca and Bayern have all been through multiple mangers over the years yet been successful as if there was a plan and ethos in place that supercedes individual managers.

We seemingly have neither so we'd be effectively placing a Hail Mary bet on whatever manager comes in.

So as much Jose doesn't excite me, he doesn't scare me like the prospect of us being managerless and without a plan.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

6th on 69 points with 2 cups>2nd with 86 points.
But
2nd with 81 points> 6th on 69 points with 2 cups.

You can't take the 2 cups out of the equation. We have won nothing this season. So either our season was better than Spurs last season which means we have regressed or Spurs season was better than ours last season. You can't cherry pick the bits you like to prove a point.

Couldn’t disagree more. We have 100% progressed from last season. The league table doesn’t lie. We’re a better team now than we were a year ago. More points, more goals, better. That’s progress, right there.

The only bit that’s up for debate is whether or not we had a better season than Spurs when we won the League Cup/Europa Cup despite finishing behind them in the league. I would have argue that they were a better team than us but we had the better season because we had some trophies to show for it. This isn’t a particularly tricky or unusual concept to wrap your head around. Liverpool had a brilliant season in 2005 but were nowhere near the best team in England.

 

[davidmichael]

Regardless of what anyone else wants the reality is Jose isn’t going anywhere immediately and will still be in charge at the start of next season unless he walks in the summer which with a shortened transfer window and no manager would leave us royally fecked.

I think Jose knows that next season is do or die for him in regards to the title or Champion League so he’s going to go all out in the summer for transfers and then he’ll either crash and burn into full Mourinho meltdown as previously seen at Chelsea and Real so we’ll get a new manager in anyway or he’ll succeed but either way it’s shit or bust now for Jose and we’ll see us explode as a team or Jose implode.

 

[gibers]

Shutting this down.

The extreme negativity, hyperbole, hate, and pure ungratefulness a lot of you "fans" post here daily truly makes me doubt your support tbh.

The reality here is: United have found a manger that loves the club and wants to stay here for a long time. He has unconventional methods, and has a history of success with them. Good for him! Stop being negative for the sake of being negative! We won a treble just last season!

The insane amount of comments degrading him also has to stop. I won't be surprised if the mods start mass banning for all these comments when they see them.

Mourinho has more life experience than the vast majority of this forum, with the average age being around 22, and knows his relationship with his players better than anyone here. Who are we to tear him down?

Jose, I wish you the best of luck. It sounds like United has finally found itself a winner.

 

[PoTMS]

In a way I'm glad we lost the cup final as it would have papered over a lot of the cracks. Last year's Europa League success did the same and hopefully it's caused enough concern for Mourinho and the players to get their heart out of their asses.

 

[Renegade]

I’m not looking forward to next season with Jose, but sacking him would be the wrong move. We can’t afford to gamble and slide down the table again, just as City and Liverpool go further. He has one more season I think. Make or break. I sense an implosion soon though, he has too many enemies in the club and outside it.

 

[MoBeats]

If we start next season the way we ended this one Jose will be gone by Xmas.
The rot has started, same as everywhere he's been before. It's inevitable. It wouldn't surprise me to see most of this squad wanting out. Cant be any fun playing this bullshit.
I just don't see anything at all that gives me optimism for next season. We started out well but since that Liverpool game right early on, we've been hopeless apart from one or two games.
Give him a load more money to spend on players to stop our future players getting any game time? feck that.

 

[MoBeats]

Shutting this down.

The extreme negativity, hyperbole, hate, and pure ungratefulness a lot of you "fans" post here daily truly makes me doubt your support tbh.

The reality here is: United have found a manger that loves the club and wants to stay here for a long time. He has unconventional methods, and has a history of success with them. Good for him! Stop being negative for the sake of being negative! We won a treble just last season!

The insane amount of comments degrading him also has to stop. I won't be surprised if the mods start mass banning for all these comments when they see them.

Mourinho has more life experience than the vast majority of this forum, with the average age being around 22, and knows his relationship with his players better than anyone here. Who are we to tear him down?

Jose, I wish you the best of luck. It sounds like United has finally found itself a winner.

I'll have a couple of whatever you're on please mate.

 

[Garethw]

Shutting this down.

The extreme negativity, hyperbole, hate, and pure ungratefulness a lot of you "fans" post here daily truly makes me doubt your support tbh.

The reality here is: United have found a manger that loves the club and wants to stay here for a long time. He has unconventional methods, and has a history of success with them. Good for him! Stop being negative for the sake of being negative! We won a treble just last season!

The insane amount of comments degrading him also has to stop. I won't be surprised if the mods start mass banning for all these comments when they see them.

Mourinho has more life experience than the vast majority of this forum, with the average age being around 22, and knows his relationship with his players better than anyone here. Who are we to tear him down?

Jose, I wish you the best of luck. It sounds like United has finally found itself a winner.

Loves the club? Does he feck.

 

[Irrational.]

I think Jose realises that this coming season is absolutely critical if he is to have any sort of long-term future with the club. He doesn't seem to be the type that will sit around and wait for the club to decline - his obsession with toppling Pep's City will probably drive him onto going one better next season. I wouldn't be surprised if he's active behind the scenes putting the work in and trying to get the transfers in.

Here are the facts:
- Look at our full backs, then look at City's, Spurs' and Liverpool's. For an area of the pitch that is now supposed to be crucial, I'm amazed we even achieved second with Young and Valencia as our width-providers. They are not top 6 quality.
- Sanchez was rushed into the squad without any time to gel with his team mates. For a player that is meant to be our star player is it any surprise that he's struggled so far? Hopefully with a full pre-season behind him and no WC, we can expect much, much better. I accept Jose probably dropped a clanger dropping Martial in the process.
- It would've been even closer had City not gone on that unprecedented, ridiculous winning streak at the beginning of the season with several last minute winners. Teams began to wise-up to Pep's tactics towards the end of the season.
- We pretty much gave up at the end of the season and it showed in the drab football played by the players. Jose will have to find a way of motivating them.
- We dominated the FA Cup final and a Jones brainfart away from perhaps winning it.

Put in a couple of new fullbacks, a solid CB in Alderweireld, two hungry midfielders and (maybe) a winger and we will be up there. The team will suddenly go from looking jaded and static, to something that will give us results with a solid foundation. It is the biggest job of Jose's career, and our squad has been creaking ever since Sir Alex retired. Hopefully we can finish off the jigsaw puzzle this summer.

I'm optimistic that it will be third season lucky for Jose.

 

[Jonno]

He's done a solid job in so many areas for this club, people seem to think he took over a squad of title contenders.

• Improved our playing squad, drastically
• Improved our league position / points tally, drastically
• Improved our CL presence (back to back qualification)
• Improved our overall winning consistency (3 cup finals in 2 seasons)

There are posters that I've seen actually argue that the above points have not happened, and can only be described as deluded anti-Mourinho fans, or fans with a hidden agenda.

I had a feeling that they would come out to circle if we didn’t win the very final he guided us to.

The football has been at times very poor to watch, and next season will be similar. I'll not particularly be enjoying the style of football or the performances, but I will be enjoying seeing my beloved club being back at the top end of world football after 4 years of hurt.

If he can bring in 4 more big additions in the obvious areas he may feel more confident to play better football, the football we've seen him play when winning titles with Chelsea.

I looked through the squad he took over and could literally name about 15-18 players that were not up to the standards required to win a PL title. Is that his fault? He enters his 3rd summer here and edging closer to finalising his rebuild. City had a squad of world beaters all over the pitch last season but finished a mile off 1st place .... they needed to bring in 3 world class fullbacks to win the league. Apply that to our situation, playing with two converted fullbacks, past their peaks and then look at how much work he's had to do in improving the squad all over the pitch and you'll see what a mammoth task it was taking over from LVG.

I appreciate what he's doing right now, and even if he doesn't get signed up to stay here for another 5+ years, he will have completed his task in hand very well and made the job for the next manager a much simpler task. The squad he took over was awful.

Well done Jose on doing a good solid job despite so many doubters and critics.

 

[buckooo1978]

He's done a solid job in so many areas for this club, people seem to think he took over a squad of title contenders.

• Improved our playing squad, drastically
• Improved our league position / points tally, drastically
• Improved our CL presence (back to back qualification)
• Improved our overall winning consistency (3 cup finals in 2 seasons)

There are posters that I've seen actually argue that the above points have not happened, and can only be described as deluded anti-Mourinho fans, or fans with a hidden agenda.

I had a feeling that they would come out to circle if we didn’t win the very final he guided us to.

The football has been at times very poor to watch, and next season will be similar. I'll not particularly be enjoying the style of football or the performances, but I will be enjoying seeing my beloved club being back at the top end of world football after 4 years of hurt.

If he can bring in 4 more big additions in the obvious areas he may feel more confident to play better football, the football we've seen him play when winning titles with Chelsea.

I looked through the squad he took over and could literally name about 15-18 players that were not up to the standards required to win a PL title. Is that his fault? He enters his 3rd summer here and edging closer to finalising his rebuild. City had a squad of world beaters all over the pitch last season but finished a mile off 1st place .... they needed to bring in 3 world class fullbacks to win the league. Apply that to our situation, playing with two converted fullbacks, past their peaks and then look at how much work he's had to do in improving the squad all over the pitch and you'll see what a mammoth task it was taking over from LVG.

I appreciate what he's doing right now, and even if he doesn't get signed up to stay here for another 5+ years, he will have completed his task in hand very well and made the job for the next manager a much simpler task. The squad he took over was awful.

Well done Jose on doing a good solid job despite so many doubters and critics.

I think you've been a bit too positive there and your assessment isn't reflective of the season we've just had

the bit in bold gets me. You accept how poor we are but are happy to be at the top end of world football? we had zero impact on the Champions League and were outplayed home and away by Sevilla. We went from 6 points behind City to 19 points.

I'd ask you which players have improved under Jose and the answer is none possibly bar Lingard/Young both who've marginally improved - you say he's close to finalising his rebuilt but the players aren't performing under him

the standard of football has been garbage and that is the responsibility of a manager without a plan - his post match comments about Fellaini and Lukaku tell you all you know about his tactical master plan

We should be better - had Klopp or Poch had our budget and ability to sign the best I feel they'd be doing much better

on paper second looks like great progress but let's take a reality check

• We don't look close to challenging City
• We have a squad that isn't performing
• we don't create enough chances- our expected goals was 6th best in the league
• we rely on De Gea too much
• our transfer policy isn't working
• we have bizarre selection decisions
• there are more rumours of unhappy players
• we have the players confidence being shattered by the manager

we started 2017/2018 as close second favourites for the title- now we've slipped back to third and that reflects our prospects for the coming season - Liverpool look in much better shape for the coming season, with a better manager, players who seem happy and signings who actually improve the team

 

[Kharhaz]

He's done a solid job in so many areas for this club, people seem to think he took over a squad of title contenders.

• Improved our playing squad, drastically
• Improved our league position / points tally, drastically
• Improved our CL presence (back to back qualification)
• Improved our overall winning consistency (3 cup finals in 2 seasons)

There are posters that I've seen actually argue that the above points have not happened, and can only be described as deluded anti-Mourinho fans, or fans with a hidden agenda.

I had a feeling that they would come out to circle if we didn’t win the very final he guided us to.

The football has been at times very poor to watch, and next season will be similar. I'll not particularly be enjoying the style of football or the performances, but I will be enjoying seeing my beloved club being back at the top end of world football after 4 years of hurt.

If he can bring in 4 more big additions in the obvious areas he may feel more confident to play better football, the football we've seen him play when winning titles with Chelsea.

I looked through the squad he took over and could literally name about 15-18 players that were not up to the standards required to win a PL title. Is that his fault? He enters his 3rd summer here and edging closer to finalising his rebuild. City had a squad of world beaters all over the pitch last season but finished a mile off 1st place .... they needed to bring in 3 world class fullbacks to win the league. Apply that to our situation, playing with two converted fullbacks, past their peaks and then look at how much work he's had to do in improving the squad all over the pitch and you'll see what a mammoth task it was taking over from LVG.

I appreciate what he's doing right now, and even if he doesn't get signed up to stay here for another 5+ years, he will have completed his task in hand very well and made the job for the next manager a much simpler task. The squad he took over was awful.

Well done Jose on doing a good solid job despite so many doubters and critics.

Thats how Liverpool started out, went from champions to second place, happy with that, and then well...now! Support the manager by all means, but dont blame others for seeing the future.

 

[Jonno]

I think you've been a bit too positive there and your assessment isn't reflective of the season we've just had

the bit in bold gets me. You accept how poor we are but are happy to be at the top end of world football? we had zero impact on the Champions League and were outplayed home and away by Sevilla. We went from 6 points behind City to 19 points.

My point in bold was that the style of football is poor, not us as a team. The style of play is poor on the eye at times which attracts critics.

I don't think we are poor. You can't be poor when you're on 80+ points and reaching a major cup final. That's solid and consistent winning.

I'd ask you which players have improved under Jose and the answer is none possibly bar Lingard/Young both who've marginally improved - you say he's close to finalising his rebuilt but the players aren't performing under him

The answer isn't none. Lukaku has looked a very good player and has stepped up from Everton to United very well.

Lingard is twice the player he was 2 years ago, his form may have dropped off this past few weeks, but he's had a very good season and is suddenly considered a starter for England.

Young has been reborn under Mourinho, he kept Salah in his pocket last month and has performed very well all season. Also a candidate to start for England.

McTomminay has strided forward from the u-21's to representing the United and Scotland first teams.

Chris Smalling has gone from out of favour to the first defender on our teamsheet.

DDG has kept a record clean sheets, often this season he's had very little to do and whether you like it or not, it's down to Mourinho's pragmatic tactics.

the standard of football has been garbage and that is the responsibility of a manager without a plan - his post match comments about Fellaini and Lukaku tell you all you know about his tactical master plan

His comments about Fellaini and Lukaku were specifically talking about dealing with Chelsea's defensive tactics against us. He went on to say that they are physically tall and strong and narrow. This was evident when Sanchez, Rashford and Martial couldn't hold the ball in their box for more than a split second.

We should be better - had Klopp or Poch had our budget and ability to sign the best I feel they'd be doing much better

If Poch or Klopp inherited the same squad of sh!te and the same budget to fix it, they'd be no higher than Mourinho is now. Poch had a far superior squad to the squad Mourinho inherited yet Mourinho has taken his United side past and beyond Poch's Spurs.

• We don't look close to challenging City
• We have a squad that isn't performing
• we don't create enough chances- our expected goals was 6th best in the league
• we rely on De Gea too much
• our transfer policy isn't working
• we have bizarre selection decisions
• there are more rumours of unhappy players
• we have the players confidence being shattered by the manager

• We are closer to challenging 1st place now than when Mourinho took over. We've moved forward drastically.
• We've performed well enough to get over 80 points and reach a cup final. They were performing much worse than this when he inherited them
• We do not rely on De Gea too much, that's such a lazy statement. He has often had nothing to do in games, when called upon he is the worlds best.
• Our transfer policy was awful before he came, it's better now. Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, all very good signings. Compare that to Depay, Fellaini, Schweinsteiger!
• There have always been rumours of unhappy players in every managerial era. The rumoured unhappy players are the ones not good enough to start for us, and that doesn't bother me in the slightest.
• Confidence is so shattered that we got over 80 points, to a 3rd cup final in 2 years and finished 2nd place only to a side who have broken records to finish 1st? Really? Confidence seems fine to me.

we started 2017/2018 as close second favourites for the title- now we've slipped back to third and that reflects our prospects for the coming season - Liverpool look in much better shape for the coming season, with a better manager, players who seem happy and signings who actually improve the team

How have we "slipped back to 3rd"? We're comfortably in 2nd , the exact prediction the majority of the media and bookies placed us.

Liverpool look good because of 1 outstanding season from Salah. He will not repeat this season next season.

 

[Jonno]

Thats how Liverpool started out, went from champions to second place, happy with that, and then well...now! Support the manager by all means, but dont blame others for seeing the future.

Mourinho didn't inherit the Champions though did he, he inherited a broken squad with sh!te players sat in 5th place.

My arguments aren't what I'd be satisfied with in the future, they are what i'm satisfied with in Mourinho's first 2 seasons of rebuilding the mess he inherited.

 

[Tony247]

The squad lacks motivation factor on the pitch. Each player played has some or other issues. We need majority settled players. Partial blame goes to Jose but I get his point when he says same squad defeats top 6 teams and loses against bottom sides. It is due to motivation. Players are not motivated enough when put against weaker sides.

Ideally 2, 3 quality energetic players take the squad along. You don't need all 11 to be motivated all the time. But this situation is worrying.

Jose has improved the performance albeit at the cost of flair. He needs to be given another year to complete revamp. A total new squad requires 4-5 years of building. Man City did not start domination immediately after pumping money. Mansoor took over in 2008. Since then they are buying relentlessly. Before Pep they won Prem twice. Pep is another ingredient in the mix. United is totally contrast.

Our first season after Sir Alex was a complete write off. Big big mistake. Van Gal at least arrested the fall. That left Jose a mammoth job of rebuilding. I am not defending him but getting rid of him now will harm us more. Let's keep low expectations from next season and give the management another year to build. Meanwhile scout for new manager, then say goodbye to Jose and bring a new man and give him something good that he can work upon.

 

[Tony247]

My worry is, Jose brand has taken sharp hit due to this continuous criticism. Not sure how many top talents out there now want to play for him.

 

[Craig Ward]

Only one? Pogba, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Lindelof, Bailly, Matic and Ibrahimovic. I would say that out of the list only Matic and Lukaku have performed at a decent level this season. You disagree?

Do you honestly believe signing two shiny fullbacks will win us the title? Don't you think that with attackers like Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Mata, Pogba we should be hammering teams more. Those collective group of attackers are on par with any team in the Premier League, and yet we set up every game not to concede first. I would say that it doesnt how much money he spends this summer, unless he changes his dinosaur tactics it wont matter one iota

Agree.

People heap the blame on poor signings of past managers, yet Jose's transfer record with us is hardly excellent.

What annoys me most is we have a good team, a good attacking team full of options. Yet we play like Stoke.

Better full backs will help, yes. A quality addition in CM would help, yes. A new CB, not vital but I can see the benefits sure. All will help sure, what would make us better instantly is a change in mentality from the manager. Buck stops with Jose for our style of play - simple

Its disheartening to watch

 

[Beaucoup]

I honestly don't think Jose trusts his defence and until its sorted I don't think we'll see the best of this team, even St Pep has spent 300mil on his back line since joining, the problem is Jose has inherited a squad with problems all over the pitch.

 

[Marcky411]

Are people actually looking forward to another year of this shit? Seriously?

Beats me as well, after the season we have just had, the dire football we play, going from one low to the next and still so many believe in the resurrection of Jose?

 

[Marcky411]

You can hold both opinions without any contradiction.

Judging a season on trophies (which is not unreasonable) we did have a better season than Spurs last year.

Scoring more goals, getting more points and finishing ahead of Spurs/Liverpool is an obvious improvement on our league campaign of 2016/17.

Don’t know how anyone can disagree with any of the above?

I don't disagree but how we did it (to stay ahead of the others) with the football we play still amazes me. Looking forward to next year I feel we have peeked with Jose and that it will only go downhill from here. After his first season I expected us to kick on but we have actually gotten worse, the stats will argue that point but the football played week in week out has definitely got worse with no signs of improvement. After a dreadful December I thought we pick ourselves up dust ourselves off and kick on to finish the season strong, we ended up buying Sanchez and have gone backwards.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I can't shake the feeling that it's going to massively fall apart this season... that the 3rd Season Jose thing will come true and we'll have to sack him come December/January....

 

[Oneunited26]

I can't shake the feeling that it's going to massively fall apart this season... that the 3rd Season Jose thing will come true and we'll have to sack him come December/January....

What worries me not only the age of the squad but we being linked with more players on the wrong side of 20, we have signed players and still nothing is working. A checkbook is not going to solve the problem when the manager has fallen out in love with the game, someone needs to have a chat with mourinho on why he is just so unhappy, this is a very unstable situation that the manager does not look like he’s going to be here for 12 rounds. We have a dangerous mixture of a chief executive who is so in awh of the manager, and the manager who seems so out of love with the game they going to back him fully without even looking beyond 2018/19 season. Who ever we sign is not going to make us better, when the real rotten core is the management in place is a serious problem

 

[Drz]

I was really not looking forward to next season...
The changes to the backroom staff however, have me intrigued. I mean if Mou's style of football is going to ever change, its now or never.
He has spent over a decade in the industry with the same trusted lieutenant, curious to see how he copes with fresh input.

 

[Random Task]

I was really not looking forward to next season...
The changes to the backroom staff however, have me intrigued. I mean if Mou's style of football is going to ever change, its now or never.
He has spent over a decade in the industry with the same trusted lieutenant, curious to see how he copes with fresh input.

The style of football Jose chooses to play will never change regardless of his backroom staffs' wants and wishes. His tried and tested method has brought him unending success across all manner of leagues and countries. If it ain't broke don't fix it so to speak.

At least this is true in his eyes, whether his methods of success remains functional in todays game is open to debate. We'll find out next season one way or the other. After 3 seasons in charge and a truckload of money spent in the transfer market, we (the board, the fans, club associates) will be demanding a genuine title challenge - one where we push City all the way to the finish line - anything less will see him sacked. Another bog standard top 4 finish won't (shouldn't!) be enough.

 

[Drz]

The style of football Jose has chooses to play will never change regardless of his backroom staffs' wants and wishes. His tried and tested method has brought him unending success across all manner of leagues and countries. If it ain't broke don't fix it so to speak.

At least this is true in his eyes, whether his methods of success remains functional in todays game is open to debate. We'll find out next season one way or the other. After 3 seasons and charge and a truckload of money spent in the transfer market, we (the board, the fans, club associates) will be demanding a genuine title challenge - one where we push City all the way to the finish line - anything less will see him sacked. Another bog standard top 4 finish won't (shouldn't!) be enough.

Oye, don't bring me down so quickly, just trying to motivate myself for next season lol

The saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it so to speak" is often used, but can't we make an argument that it is broken in Mourinho's case? You say yourself that the functionality of his methods can be open to debate.
So whilst I can believe Mourinho is stubborn I doubt he is dumb, also at our club he has one of the best examples of a manager that endured thanks to appointments that brought in some fresh ideas.
And with recent events, in Wenger, he also has the opposite example of someone who failed to reinvent himself and adapt to the times.
So just maybe he has realised that to endure in this industry you have to evolve.

I guess it depends on how much he compartmentalises and gives free-rain.

At least this is what has me curious about so far, potential transfers won't help me for now.

 

[Random Task]

Oye, don't bring me down so quickly, just trying to motivate myself for next season lol

The saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it so to speak" is often used, but can't we make an argument that it is broken in Mourinho's case? You say yourself that the functionality of his methods can be open to debate.
So whilst I can believe Mourinho is stubborn I doubt he is dumb, also at our club he has one of the best examples of a manager that endured thanks to appointments that brought in some fresh ideas.
And with recent events, in Wenger, he also has the opposite example of someone who failed to reinvent himself and adapt to the times.
So just maybe he has realised that to endure in this industry you have to evolve.

I guess it depends on how much he compartmentalises and gives free-rain.

At least this is what has me curious about so far, potential transfers won't help me for now.

Sorry, don't mean to bring you down mate! But I cannot for one minute envisage a man like Jose Mourinho (the self-proclaimed special one) reinventing himself. Not in terms of his adopted style of football that he forces us to endure.

You make a fair point regarding Fergie adjusting himself to the then modern game, though. I just cannot see Jose following suit.

 

[Drz]

I expect 3 weeks(pending fixtures) of positivity combine with whatever is added from the muppet season before we go back to being crap and having another zombie season with the odd amazing result here and there. This team has very little highs but an amazing capacity for jaw dropping lows, lows that you never see coming until it does and you wonder how they managed to pull that off.

Oh no, at some point we could see it coming, we basically spent most season treating every away game as if we were playing versus Barca'09, I noticed it after the Liverpool game.
Felt the atmosphere around the team changed after that, the confidence seemed to evaporate little by little there on. Thought there would be a change after the City reverse, but nope.

 

[Drz]

Sorry, don't mean to bring you down mate! But I cannot for one minute envisage a man like Jose Mourinho (the self-proclaimed special one) reinventing himself. Not in terms of his adopted style of football that he forces us to endure.

You make a fair point regarding Fergie adjusting himself to the then modern game, though. I just cannot see Jose following suit.

So basically "if you meet the Darth Vador on the road, kill him"

 

[Random Task]

So basically "if you meet the Darth Vador on the road, kill him"

That went right over my head. Yes, I am slow.

 

[Nate Dogg]

The situation is kinda worrying, he is now pointing the finger at Bailly and according to reports today he might consider selling him.

Apparantley there is fiction between him and Lukaku/Pogba. This may sound bizarre but he has also blamed the United sponsors due to the players spending too much time doing promotions rather than training.

I expect a massive implosion in October when we find ourselves 15 points from city in the lge....ffs!!

 

[Eli Zee]

6th on 69 points with 2 cups>2nd with 86 points.
But
2nd with 81 points> 6th on 69 points with 2 cups.

You can't take the 2 cups out of the equation. We have won nothing this season. So either our season was better than Spurs last season which means we have regressed or Spurs season was better than ours last season. You can't cherry pick the bits you like to prove a point.

Last season — both team qualified for CL but one got two trophies the other got none — the one with two trophies did better.

This season — neither won any trophies, but one finished higher than the other — the one that finished higher did better.

How can’t you see that?

 

[FerociousCorgis]

The biggest issue for me is does anyone really see mou being here long term? Really worried he will cannibalize the squad in search of short term success. Selling martial and pogba would be freaking daft. Either mou fails next season and leaves, or he is successful and rides out on top is the feeling i get.

 

[Adebesi]

Sorry, don't mean to bring you down mate! But I cannot for one minute envisage a man like Jose Mourinho (the self-proclaimed special one) reinventing himself. Not in terms of his adopted style of football that he forces us to endure.

You make a fair point regarding Fergie adjusting himself to the then modern game, though. I just cannot see Jose following suit.

No way Jose will change.

 

[Drz]

That went right over my head. Yes, I am slow.

Ohh I guess I am just hoping there is some light in Darth Vador (Mourinho) where as you don't
(Mix in the proverb about killing the Buddha when you meet him on your road, and you get my silly post lol)

Obviously history would suggest you are right, it would also suggest that there is an implosion brewing with the 3rd season curse and that...
Another plausible scenario is that we try something new, it doesn't click right away and the poor results drive Mourinho to go back to his ways and then the "light" I was looking for turns into an onrushing train lol...

 

[Random Task]

Ohh I guess I am just hoping there is some light in Darth Vador (Mourinho) where as you don't
(Mix in the proverb about killing the Buddha when you meet him on your road, and you get my silly post lol)

Obviously history would suggest you are right, it would also suggest that there is an implosion brewing with the 3rd season curse and that...
Another plausible scenario is that we try something new, it doesn't click right away and the poor results drive Mourinho to go back to his ways and then the "light" I was looking for turns into an onrushing train lol...

Just so we are crystal clear, are you suggesting we murder Jose on sight? In the event that this actually takes place, I wish it known to the relevant authorities that I am in no way, shape or form party to this deal.

 

[Ali Dia]

I don’t mind. He has to play better football next year after we invest more. We either improve or he leaves. I’m of the opinion that he has upgraded the playing staff. Now we just need to really get it going consistently on the pitch.