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pocco said:
I notice one journalist said that he's viewed as the perfect age to bridge the gap until the likes of Chong have developed enough. I said this a while ago, people can't complain that we should give our young players chances and then in a different thread say we should go out and sign Pulisic etc who will spell the end for the likes of Chong and Gomes.

If we believe that Chong will be good enough, then Willian is a brilliant option right now.
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Pulisic is just one year older than Chong. If those two are indeed world class talents (which they would have to be for the club to adjust their first XI signing policy to accomodate them) then the time for them (especially Chong) to start playing senior level football would be right now. And if developing them was a priority for Mourinho, then I reckon he would have given one of them some minutes in towards the end of this season.
 
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Bwuk said:
Really don't want Willian.

He's a decent player, but he won't solve our problems.

We don't score enough goals and Willian has never scored more than 8 in the league for Chelsea. We'd be continuing to rely heavily on Lukaku, and hoping Sanchez starts to score as well.
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Wouldn't Talisca solve that problem? A settled Sanchez in the side?
If anything we need providers, not another goalscorer surely?
 
Should have went for Mahrez instead of Sanchez and we should still go for mahrez instead of willian
 
He's alright. I wouldn't be over the moon with buying him but I wouldn't complain either. Unless it was a ridiculous deal like swapping him for Martial. Then I'd have to vent at our stupidity.
 
I have mixed feelings about this one. Willian is a quality player and would definitely improve our team and he is pretty much exactly what we need in RW. Wasn't he Chelsea's player of the year when they won a title with Jose?

On the other hand if we splash like £50 million on their reserve player or include Martial in the deal, I don't think it' a very good deal for us. Is there no one else we could buy instead costing only like £10m more?
 
dove said:
I have mixed feelings about this one. Willian is a quality player and would definitely improve our team and he is pretty much exactly what we need in RW. Wasn't he Chelsea's player of the year when they won a title with Jose?

On the other hand if we splash like £50 million on their reserve player or include Martial in the deal, I don't think it' a very good deal for us. Is there no one else we could buy instead costing only like £10m more?
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Well on one side you agree that he is their player of the year two seasons running. On another you call him a reserve player for them. Make up your mind!
 
VP89 said:
Well on one side you agree that he is their player of the year two seasons running. On another you call him a reserve player for them. Make up your mind!
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He wasn't first choice with Conte in charge, especially this season.
 
Mourinho wants him, everyone knows that. It would all depend on his price whether he would be worth it or not. Chelsea will more than likely demand at least 40m, maybe even more for us specifically, if thats the type of money the club is willing to spend on a 30 year old then we are doing something wrong.

Maybe he still has 2 good seasons left in him but thats all, also if they get a new manager then perhaps he would prefer to stay? Lets not forget his main issue lies with Conte and not Chelsea.
 
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dove said:
He wasn't first choice with Conte in charge, especially this season.
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He was their best player for a stretch. He got dropped when Conte changed systems and there wasn't any room for a wide player. More due to the system rather than his form.
 
cyberman said:
Wouldn't Talisca solve that problem? A settled Sanchez in the side?
If anything we need providers, not another goalscorer surely?
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Debatable that Talisca is good enough, and debatable whether Sanchez will work at United or not.

Our squad seems to be made up of ifs, buts and maybes.
 
kps88 said:
He was their best player for a stretch. He got dropped when Conte changed systems and there wasn't any room for a wide player. More due to the system rather than his form.
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Maybe, I don't follow Chelsea closely.
 
cyberman said:
If you mean soon as in 4/5 years then soon indeed.
If only we had a great winger coming through our ranks...
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Do you think Rashford will be here in 5 years time? Or did you forget who our manager is?
 
He would bring a directness to the team and genuine width down the right. We are lopsided at the moment, all cutting in or preferring the left side.

However it is another stop-gap. 30 this year. It's not an old age by any means, but we will have to address it again in 2-3 years. I don't see Talisca as a perfect fit either, left footed and plays centrally more often than not doesnt he?
 
dove said:
He wasn't first choice with Conte in charge, especially this season.
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Bizzare how he can win this year's player of the season and not be first choice? I think he did play quite a bit. In big games too. Like both legs v Barcelona. He's only been dropped towards seasons end if memory serves.
 
Pexbo said:
We’ve made plenty of good signings in recent years. You just can’t attribute a league title to any of them so apparently they shouldn’t count?
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I disagree mate. Let us look at the signings our manager has made shall we, seen as though he'll be making more and is the reason I have no confidence in his choices atm. Actually James Ducker explains it well
 
Only way I can accept is if we switch to 5 defenders and he is our right wing-back.
 
Summit said:
I disagree mate. Let us look at the signings our manager has made shall we, seen as though he'll be making more and is the reason I have no confidence in his choices atm. Actually James Ducker explains it well
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Very fair assessment for anyone looking without rose-tinted glasses.
 
Will be 30 when the season starts, doesn't score or create a lot, he's just an average player and the club should not be sanctioning these kind of buys.
 
Summit said:
I disagree mate. Let us look at the signings our manager has made shall we, seen as though he'll be making more and is the reason I have no confidence in his choices atm. Actually James Ducker explains it well
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Damning
 
Interesting that some of those concerned by 'player power' are the same ones advocating the signing of Willian. I don't want us to go near him, as a player I don't think he offers what we lack from a right winger and he'd only represent another short-term solution to a long-term problem.
 
Summit said:
I disagree mate. Let us look at the signings our manager has made shall we, seen as though he'll be making more and is the reason I have no confidence in his choices atm. Actually James Ducker explains it well
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It's a very shit tweet. He's basically cherry picked a situation to make Jose look worse. For example taking one game lukaku didn't feature it and extrapolating his worth from that alone. And he suggests it's surprising Ibra left? The guy came on a 1 year contract and scored 28 goals. His injury made him leave not Jose.

As for Bailey, maybe he was frozen out. Maybe he was treated with caution after being injured for 4 months. But who cares the frozen out idea fits the narrative for clicks so well go with that.
 
VP89 said:
It's a very shit tweet. He's basically cherry picked a situation to make Jose look worse. For example taking one game lukaku didn't feature it and extrapolating his worth from that alone. And he suggests it's surprising Ibra left? The guy came on a 1 year contract and scored 28 goals. His injury made him leave not Jose.

As for Bailey, maybe he was frozen out. Maybe he was treated with caution after being injured for 4 months. But who cares the frozen out idea fits the narrative for clicks so well go with that.
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The lukaku bit if what you say I agree with mate. But as for ibra is is a perfect example of short sighted signings imo.
 
Summit said:
The lukaku bit if what you say I agree with mate. But as for ibra is is a perfect example of short sighted signings imo.
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In fairness he walked in and there was no available striker to carry our side barring Zlatan. He had a budget to work with and he needed a shrewd signing until we get the long term replacement.

Say what you want about his signings but he handled the striker situation very well.
 
Summit said:
I disagree mate. Let us look at the signings our manager has made shall we, seen as though he'll be making more and is the reason I have no confidence in his choices atm. Actually James Ducker explains it well
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Off topic: How is Pogbas future very uncertain? Real Madrid are probably the only team who could afford him and they'd have to make him their priority target when they have bigger worries than CM.

On topic: Don't want Willian personally but Jose deserves one more Summer to do his thing and prove us wrong
 
Rajma said:
Very fair assessment for anyone looking without rose-tinted glasses.
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Really ? you mean a super biased assessement to get retweet probably.

Ibra left because he did what he came to do, and was a success.
Bailly isn't frozen out, he was injured.
Mkhi was sold to get Sanchez, who only has 5 months in the team for god's sake.
There was absolutely no problem with Lukaku, he praised him all year, even when he didn't play.
it's Lindelof's first year, he's improved during the year.
Pogba well, Pogba is a difficult situation and i can't get my mind to think about it clearly, i don't know what's happening, even though Jose's not the only one who isn't happy with him.
 
CM10 said:
On topic: Don't want Willian personally but Jose deserves one more Summer to do his thing and prove us wrong
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If he doesn't prove us wrong, then what another rebuild job again to replace ageing players? Fair enough signing seasoned central defenders they don't rely on pace that much anyway and can outlast most positions.
 
Regardless of the biased outlook of the tweet. The fact still remains, to few of his signings have pulled up any trees.
 
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Rajma said:
If he doesn't prove us wrong, then what another rebuild job again to replace ageing players? Fair enough signing seasoned central defenders they don't rely on pace that much anyway and can outlast most positions.
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That's kind of my concern as well. While I understand Jose's turn towards more seasoned and proven players like Matic, Sanchez and possibly Willian... I am a little bit concerned about what happens should we part ways next summer.

That said while he's here, you have to back him up. If you don't might as well look for another manager now, cause otherwise you're just sabotaging him by denying him his first options. He plays a certain way and needs certain players to make it flourish.

Personally I'm a fan of Willian. But I'm a bit concerned for our long term plan if we end up selling Martial on the way to picking up Willian. If he ends up replacing Mata in the squad, I won't be that fussed.
 
Brilliant player and if the price was right he'd instantly improve us.

Willian was at his best when a winger formation suits him i.e 442, 4231, 433..etc Whereas Conte likes his narrow formation with width given my full backs.
 
Summit said:
I disagree mate. Let us look at the signings our manager has made shall we, seen as though he'll be making more and is the reason I have no confidence in his choices atm. Actually James Ducker explains it well
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Mkhi didn’t work out.
Ibra was a great signing with an unfortunate injury.
Bailey has had injury troubles and if anything needed games to foster consistency, difficult to do at a key stage of the season.
Lindelof’s first season with us and he’s settling in now and performances have improved.
Pogba is an interesting one, of you cut the media guff out, it’s not sensational at all. Expensive player has patchy form but overall has been one of our best performers this season.
Sanchez is a January signing and they rarely hit the ground.


The hysterical narratives are pushed by journalists and lapped up by fans with various agendas. Some hate Mourinho and just want everything blamed on him, some don’t have any perspective and expect us to be the finished article already.

Mourinho has next season for me, if things don’t improve, I’ll agree it’s time for a change.
 
If we are going for an experienced signing of a player aged around 29/30, then I would prefer Perisic over Willian. We need a players with exceptional crossing abilities and Persic > Willian when it comes to crossing. He is also more versatile, better defensively and also good in the air. Massive fan of his and was gutted we didn't get him last summer.

However, Willian is still an upgrade on what we have currently. A pacey and direct player is what we need on the right, he is also good at set-pieces and has PL experience. I was at the Chelsea game at Old Trafford few months back and Willian was quality! But he seems to be quite inconsistent when I see him play, Chelsea fans may know more...
 
Adisa said:
Regardless of the biased outlook of the tweet. The fact still remains, to few of his signings have pulled up any trees.
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We are second! Did we get there with LVG boys or what?
This is the problem with the amount of work the squad needed. Almost every signing has to be on the button.
Look at Liverpool. Salah, Mane and then its VVD that's a success in two summers? Karius maybe? The we are down to their Scottish fullback etc.
Who has 8 successes in two summers? Its almost impossible.
Half of that is a very good rate.
 
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