Mourinho won't buy Willian but rather the "next" Willian or a similar player. A hard working young talented right winger, not many options out there though from my knowledge but that's why we have scouts at the club.
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Even if that's true and Conte hates Mourinho that much, it doesn't mean Jose will actually meet that valuation. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if Mourinho is interested in Willian but he'll know his actual value. I'll be surprised if he ends up bringing him in for anything like the amount being mentioned. I don't think people should trust the Sun anyway, very unreliable paper. We may well have interest since Jamie Jackson has mentioned Willian's name but he doesn't mention a price, only the Sun have done that. I seriously doubt they have any idea of how much Chelsea and United value the player at. It's more likely they just decided on a random transfer fee.
Aye, the premise of your post is spot on and great. We need a fast, hardworking right winger. But why spend all that money solely on Willian to do those things when many others can do the exact same? He doesn't score or assist much, and he's not particularly creative. What can he do that other wings for such a purported fee can't? Splash the cash on Mkhitaryan instead, who has the same traits but 55 goals/assists in 52 matches for Dortmund this season.
I'm not advocating spending anything like £60m on Willian but for £30-35m he'd be a good buy imo. Not many young players with the physique and talent to actually fill that role at United. Can you think of any off the top of your head that would be possible?
In the second half of the season from when Bidding took over (The Watford game) Costa got 12 goals and 7 assists ine 20 games.
For comparison, Harry Kane scored 15 goals and got 1 assistso in the same time period.
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Yeah, I dont really think we need loads of goals from the right necessarily.
I think (hope) that in rashford and martial we have the goals we need going forward.
It'll take them a couple of years to get there and signing zlatan for instance sounds like a pretty good idea to keep us covered in the mean time
but goalscoring would be somewhat low on my list of priorites for the right wing, at least as much as goalscoring can ever be low on the list of an attacking player.
Being able to get the ball out of defence forward to martial and rashford quickly, offering a bit of pace and width on the right,
Maybe a bit of a physical presence (as mourinho likes to have quite a few and other positions aren't blessed with it).
Attitude and experience would probably be important too.
Willian just ticks a lot of boxes and i don't really care about the fee, which would have to be pretty silly to tempt chelsea.
As crazy as it sounds, I agree with the suggestion of Valencia. He's not as good, but for the role you're suggesting, Willian isn't worth spending £30m on when you have Valencia.
If I was a Man Utd fan I wouldn't want either player to start though, I don't think that type of player is as essential as others do.
I'd like to think your youth academy could fill that position too. Spending £30m on that type of player is crazy, there's dozens of Willian type players out there.
Disagree basically.
Theres other players like him but none are as good as him.
I'd bite your hand off for willian @ 30m
I agree, there are other options to Willian. I can just see how the transfer would look sensible to Mourinho, and if the club has the cash why not spend it? This is a player the manager has worked with before, who is proven in the Premier League, and who understands and responds to Mou's methods. If Mou wants Willian and we can afford him, why not buy him?
Alright my mistake, I remembered the goals drying up before the end of the season but his run was definitely impressive under Hiddink. Can't really argue with his goalscoring consistency at that time. It still can't make up for only 4 goals in the season before that though. Willian's performances didn't drop to the extent that Costa's did during the first half of the season.
If you buy Zlatan, I genuinely don't see Rashford being a huge downgrade on Willian if he played on the right.
He's not as strong, obviously, but he's just as quick. Everything else that Willian has over Rashford can be coached by Mourinho given a few months - Willian doesn't exactly do anything that isn't easily coached. Plus Rashford would chip in with more goals.
Whether you wanted to "waste" Rashford on the right is another matter, though.
Again, i flat out disagree
I rate him a lot higher than you i guess.
Rashford wont play every single match (i imagine, who knows).
Ibra wont either, between the two of them they'll keep the strikers position covered
So we still need someone on the right.
Not but Willian never reached the level Costa did last season either. I agree he was better but it's quite close between them.
You clearly do, which is fine.
The only player from our academy with a suitable physiqye for that role is probably Timothy Fosu-Mensah but he def isn't a winger. I could maybe see him as a useful back-up for cm. Lingard tracks back and does all the things Mourinho expects from his players but he's prob too small. Can't really think of anyone else. I agree Valencia could definitely play the role but then I'm not too sure about rb. Darmian might be acceptable for 1 season but we def need someone of higher quality for that position in the long term, unless Matteo surprises me and improves massively under Jose which would be great to see but I have my doubts personally. Especially against weaker teams, having Valencia attacking on the overlap would be useful imo.
Massive upgrade on Lingard. But he'd probably cost double what it would take to land Mane, who is at least as good. Not to mention Mahrez.
If that was the case I'm sure we'd have seen that player at least featuring by now.
Over the last year or so, van Gaal made no secret of the fact he wanted 'fast, creative wingers' as he put it. The fact that he persisted with Mata and Lingard on the right for the vast majority of the season suggests we probably don't have anyone capable of playing there at a good level.
Valencia has been decent enough at full back since returning but I think he'd struggle if he was used as our main outlet on the right wing again. If it's a direct choice between him and Willian, Willian wins out every time.
Interesting. I suppose Rashford could play the role but do you really want to risk coaching his natural striker instincts out of him? I'd worry he'd stop making the right runs and his positioning would suffer. Playing him there every now and then would probably be fine but if he plays a full season there, that could be more damaging to him imo. While Martial is better as a winger who cuts in from the wing, Rashford is definitely a pure striker imo (though one with excellent dribbling and link-up play).
Lingard could
The Caf has gone full 360 on Willian. Rated him at Shakthar, thought he wasnt all that after his initial spell at Chelsea, then rated him again when he went through a period of scoring freekicks all the time and his work rate was talked about by pundits.
I didn't realise he was 28 and for that reason i wouldn't bother now. Plus he's a Chelsea player. Id rather we bought Sane or someone else a bit younger and that can make their name here.
I didn't realise he was 28 and for that reason i wouldn't bother now. Plus he's a Chelsea player. Id rather we bought Sane or someone else a bit younger and that can make their name here.
Lingard is painfully average, I'd be very worried if we were going into next season with him as a starter.
He is very good and hardworking defensively, works well in the build up and chips in with a few goals every now and then. Certainly not as good as Willian but Mourinho could develop him into a similar player ability wise.
Do you think Mane offers the same defensive work rate as Willian though? I wouldn't be very happy with us signing Mane tbh. I don't think he's what we need and there are better options out there if we want an attacker who adds creativity to the team.
Fast hard working winger is something Mourinho can get out of most wingers. Di Maria was a hard worker at Madrid and we all thought he'd be perfect here. He couldn't be arsed under LVG.
You're wasting your time defending Lingard on here but I tend to agree that he could be developed into a very good player and if Mourinho gives him a shot it'll certainly be interesting.
I don't necessarily think you have that player already (though Lingard and Rashford could be coached into it), just that players like Willian at a lower level are easy to produce in youth teams.
It's easily to produce an athletic workhorse. Finding a creative, talented midfielder is much more difficult. It's fine having the workhorse and you can definitely argue they're needed in a squad if not in a starting 11, but they're not the players you want to be using your budget on.
Yep, that's definitely a fair question. Kind of what I was alluding to with the "wasting Rashford" comment.
I wasn't actually suggesting Rashford should be used as your right winger next year though, just using him as an example of how easy I think you could essentially gain the same contribution that Willian provides without spending a penny on it.
Like I said, I don't think such a limited role is even needed and I don't think you need to look for someone of Willian's profile.
I can see conte sell willian since he already have cuadrado there. However he won't sell him on cheap especially since I believe he would want to spend the dosh on pogba
He's not nearly quick enough, nor does he have the creative output necessary for Mourinho to seriously consider him as a starter on the wing. He'll be a squad player at best.
It'd be a massive mistake not to sign someone for that position. I'd even go as far as saying it'd be the most important signing for us this summer.
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Pogba would be an incredible signing for Chelsea. I can't really see it. The money required will be insane. He just strikes me as a Real player. I'd expect he'll end up there when he does move which could well be this season.
Anyone else thinks he looks like Donald Glover from Magic Mike /Martian
Mata and Darmian plus £20m for Ivanovic and Willian would be great business for us. I think Chelsea would take Mata back, fans favourite and all that.
Ivanovic can eat a dick
Why in gods name would we want Ivanovic?
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You know silly season is upon us when people start talking about swapping multiple players, which happens in reality, like, never.
On the topic of swap. Would people swap directly Mata for Willian? I would definitely.
You can feck right off with that.
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