Willian
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His future is at RB. A significantly worse version of prime Valencia
I doubt Willian has a quality to be the starting player for a team competing for PL and (hopefully next next season) CL.
We could buy Gylfi Sigurðsson for 25-30 m would be dead balls sorted for half the money..
He won the league just last year as a starter...
Never liked him. Really hope that this and Morata rumors aren't true
In a league where Leicester won the title with Huth etc are starters & talking about a player who was a regular starter for Chelsea's title wining team, I find your post bizarre.
Why does it matter to us fans how much our club pay?
If the manager thinks he's worth £60 million and rates that he is the missing piece of the puzzle then why not?
Willian is absolutely incredible. He keeps possession almost always, can shoot with either foot, has great skill and his combination play in the final third is immense. Not to mention he's rapid too.
We'd also have a reliable free kick taker, direct and indirect. No more hitting the wall!
If the manager thinks he's worth £60 million and rates that he is the missing piece of the puzzle then why not?
Willian is absolutely incredible. He keeps possession almost always, can shoot with either foot, has great skill and his combination play in the final third is immense. Not to mention he's rapid too.
We'd also have a reliable free kick taker, direct and indirect. No more hitting the wall!
Such an uninspiring transfer it would be
What is worrying is Mou obsession with old players (if rumours are true of course). Ibra, Willian. We need a DOF and we need it quickly
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Can only assume most of you haven't seen him play much. Excellent player, by far Chelsea's best this season
Can only assume most of you haven't seen him play much. Excellent player, by far Chelsea's best this season
When we played chelsea he was giving our defence so much problems he was literally the only major threat. As he was against nearly every other team I watched chelsea play.
He's definately not a "rank average player" but your obviously someone that bases everything on stats and not all round performances.
I'm not for a moment saying he's world class or anything but he's a very good capable player who would be a great addition to any team.
Yeah it's worrying that Mourinho has been rumoured to be linked with players that he knows extremely well. Embarrassing, small time etc. Get a grip!
This is such a myth hes had one good spell where he scored 4-5 this season but apart from that hes never been good at them. We have far better FK takers in our squad, Mata certainly is and despite what hes doen for UTD Memphis bagged 7 last season, the most in Europe.
im a big fan of Willian, fantastic player but his type always had and always will be underrated so the state of this thread doesnt surprise me....would be a brilliant signing but he isnt worth more then 35m IMO so 60m for him would not be the smartest move.
Yeah Mata is pretty good but don't think you can write off Willian's goals and assists from FKs as a 'spell' whilst doing the opposite for Memphis when he has spent a year aiming for the floodlights on top of the Stretford End.
FWIW I think Willian delivers the ball with more pace and whip than Mata too. Better for those crosses that are to be attacked.
We have issues that need addressing now, not in 3 or 4 years. Cannot make a team out winners out of a team of players with potential, as we have one of the youngest squads in the league, adding a few experienced leaders is long over due.
When did 27 become old? Seems he's aging at a rapid pace on this thread.
Fantastic player, very mature, fast with the ball, and with the great work rate.
But, I think he is a bit wasted on the right wing, his best game is as AMC.
But, I think he is a bit wasted on the right wing, his best game is as AMC.
Not a player I have ever been fond of (adored Mata at Chelsea) but I guess Jose likes him a lot
Maybe he means for a team which regularly competes for PL , CL. Leicester won't do this and if they do then with better players.
Mata after all also was a starter for a CL winning team in one season.
Alternatively if we have top class attacking quality like Ronaldo, Neymar, etc. and then use Willian for balance then fair enough. But if we are aiming to use him instead of real attacking quality then we need a DoF very soon.
I cant imagine chelsea selling unless it is a slightly stupid offer, so i'm fine with it tbh.
He's a player who rely heavily on his workrate and his speed. Both assets that are the first to go with age. I am not expecting Mou to stock the team with 18 year olds. However when big fees and salaries are involved we need to be careful to spend that money wisely
He's excellent. Fast, good with the ball, good at set pieces, does the donkey work and can play in multiple positions. But that price I'd question it because I'd assume we could get a similar player or two for that instead.
That's nothing wrong with that. However as said, when big fees and salaries are involved we need to be careful that we spend the money wisely. We do not have sheiks and Russian tycoons backing us up
I am not necessarily against these deals. At least unlike Felliani, both Willian and Ibra know how to play football. However I do wonder if Mou had understood that United tend (or to word it better they need) to think in long term. We cant afford to buy a new squad every few years
Lol, the Sun. I'm sure he wouldn't actually cost £60m. For £30-35m he'd be a very good signing. By far Chelsea's best player last season. We need a right winger with work ethic. He'd be a useful option for cam if we get injuries too. Valencia will do well under Jose imo, so having a combo of Valencia and Willian on the right flank could be a lot more effective than people might think
Not he wasn't by far the best Chelsea player.
Why would Chelsea sell us their best player for 30m? Conte may not rate him or he prefers playing Cuadrado to him. However I cant see us getting him that cheap
Then who was?
No, I'm a person that thinks you cant ignore poor goal returns in an attacking player you're going to spend £60m+ on. I've seen him play many times too, and I agree, he looks bright, sometimes lively, sometimes dangerous, but never all three often enough to justify making him our main attacking purchase of the summer. He's not one to justify anyone being excited about the prospect of us signing, not one who's end product is consistent enough to justify signing, and not one that should be signed. I'm not even certain he's a better player than Mané, and most of the Caf turned their nose up at him for half the price last summer.
We've signed plenty of average, and you know exactly what I mean, players over the years to play in attacking positions for us such as Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia, everyone then acts surprised when they're average and questions how our multi-million pound attack looks so impotent. The fact Chelsea fans on here aren't even bothered about the prospect of selling him to a direct rival even after his 'great' season should tell people all they need to know.
As you said Conte might not rate him. Willian also might want to follow Jose to United. If the player wants to leave, the manager doesn't want him, and we're not prepared to pay more than £30-35m I can't see Chelsea refusing. I don't think any other clubs would be prepared to pay more than that for Willian. He works hard and gives consistently good performances but he's not a big name player by any means. He doesn't have that flair that attracts truly huge transfer fees.
He was the best, wasn't by far though.
He had a good/great first half to the season and an average second half. Costa had a crazy first half and an amazing second half. It's close between those two but Willian gets it for consistency.
I think you're getting Willian mixed up with Messi. Catch yourself on for Christ sake.
What you are underestimating is the rivalry between Chelsea and us and between conte (juve legend) and mou (interested legend). If we end up winning the league and Willianot prove to be a key component to that then plenty of people will end up looking like fools
I can believe that the manager would be interested in Willian.
Mourinho tends to want pace and power in wide areas. Hazard and Willian, Ronaldo and Di Maria...Mou even converted Eto'o into a wide player, to compensate for the lack of pace and power on the flanks at Inter. When the people above him aren't forcing him to change his tactics to make room for their friends, like Abramovich did with Shevchenko, Mourinho will always use fast, strong, wide players.
Willian would ensure the manager could have strong, speedy outlets on both flanks. On the left wing he has options. Martial is rapid and deceptively strong. Memphis is also built like a tank and can stretch his legs. Young has played his best football for United off the left too, and while he is fast he's not exactly built like a brick house. On the right, unless Mourinho plans to make Valencia a winger again, there's nobody with real speed and strength in our squad. Lingard works hard but he's not physical or very fast, Januzaj's quite lightweight, Mata's lightweight too.
This transfer would actually make sense if Woodward could make it work. The fee is irrelevant to me. We live in a world where Raheem Sterling cost £50 million. If the club has the cash it should spend it. I remember thinking Mou's Chelsea had overpaid for players I'd, at the time, not heard much of. Namely, Robben, Essien and Drogba. In the end they proved to be sound investments because Mou's system got the best out of them. Willian would be the same.
Mourinho tends to want pace and power in wide areas. Hazard and Willian, Ronaldo and Di Maria...Mou even converted Eto'o into a wide player, to compensate for the lack of pace and power on the flanks at Inter. When the people above him aren't forcing him to change his tactics to make room for their friends, like Abramovich did with Shevchenko, Mourinho will always use fast, strong, wide players.
Willian would ensure the manager could have strong, speedy outlets on both flanks. On the left wing he has options. Martial is rapid and deceptively strong. Memphis is also built like a tank and can stretch his legs. Young has played his best football for United off the left too, and while he is fast he's not exactly built like a brick house. On the right, unless Mourinho plans to make Valencia a winger again, there's nobody with real speed and strength in our squad. Lingard works hard but he's not physical or very fast, Januzaj's quite lightweight, Mata's lightweight too.
This transfer would actually make sense if Woodward could make it work. The fee is irrelevant to me. We live in a world where Raheem Sterling cost £50 million. If the club has the cash it should spend it. I remember thinking Mou's Chelsea had overpaid for players I'd, at the time, not heard much of. Namely, Robben, Essien and Drogba. In the end they proved to be sound investments because Mou's system got the best out of them. Willian would be the same.
I'd probably prefer putting Valencia back at RM than signing Willian for an absurd fee. Both will manage a similar amount of goals/assists.
Definitely wouldn't agree with your thoughts on Costa having an amazing second half to the season. He certainly had a spell where he looked bright but that lasted just over a month, not the whole second half of the season. While I agree Willian's performances certainly dipped in the second half they remained quite good for the most part. That being said, it's his performances under Mourinho that should really be concentrated on moreso than the performances he gave under Hiddink and while Mourinho was there Willian performed admirably at a time when the rest of the team were seriously underperforming. He won't be the guy to score you crazy numbers of goals, there are other players we can get for that like Ibra or James Rodriguez, but he'll be a very useful team player in tough games. He'll offer constant running and effective tracking back. You need those type of players to succeed sometimes.
Look at who those players have been in winning teams in the past and you'll find it's almost always youth players or cheap players being used to fill that role. It'd be an utter travesty to spend that amount of money on Willian for that role.
People need to chill. There's no way we're buying him for 60 million.
Chelsea bought him for 27m (?), so there's very little possibility that his value has doubled.
This is just another case of pulling a rumour out of a hat.
Chelsea bought him for 27m (?), so there's very little possibility that his value has doubled.
This is just another case of pulling a rumour out of a hat.
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