All play out wide so yeah.
Martial is ob a different level to Willian. A bit off poor form this season but otherwise it's a no contest
Willian scored a lot of set pieces last season I'll give you that.
Willian at Man Utd?
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All play out wide so yeah.
Martial is ob a different level to Willian. A bit off poor form this season but otherwise it's a no contest
Willian scored a lot of set pieces last season I'll give you that.
Willian is a bloody good player, and more importantly Jose trusts him. I'd rather have Willian in our team than Hazard when the chips are down. While most of the team sulked last season at Chelsea, Willian dug out blind for the manager. Can never have enough of them in your team.
Just plain wrong.
Willian has scored 17 goals and 17 assists in league, in 125 games.
Martial has scored 15 goals and 9 assists in 50 league games.
There are also players like Mahrez who have more goals and assists in way less league games.
Willian works hard and nothing else.
I'm not trying to big Willian up as though he's world class or anything but Martial is on a different level? Really?
Like I said before, he can barely get into a side who have been 6th most of the season and crying out for a player of his type to score and create. And José still didn't play him.
Willian would have started all 38 games for United this season.
Agreed. Quality player who would've gotten a lot more minutes here than he did with you. Probably why we are interested.
And we'd have finished 10th or wherever you finished last season. Deservedly so.
Obviously you don't watch Willian much if that's all you think of him. Ashley Young is a "works hard and nothing else" player. Not remotely close to Willian.
Whatever. Most of you clearly don't rate him. Several world class managers quite fancy him and I would think they know better than we do.
@Orc I rate him. He's got everything you need to succeed in English football: speed, strength and stamina. Plus his shooting is pretty good too, especially at set pieces.
If Jose's planning to move towards transition based football, which is what we've seen from United in recent matches, Willian fits the mould much better than some of our slower, more technical players. When you're exploiting space in behind or counter attacking Willian is a great option to have. He might never come close to winning the Ballon d'or but he can outrun most centre halves and full backs. In the Premier League that alone can win you a lot of matches.
If Jose's planning to move towards transition based football, which is what we've seen from United in recent matches, Willian fits the mould much better than some of our slower, more technical players. When you're exploiting space in behind or counter attacking Willian is a great option to have. He might never come close to winning the Ballon d'or but he can outrun most centre halves and full backs. In the Premier League that alone can win you a lot of matches.
He was a constant starter the season they won the league and got the semi-final of the champions league.
Willian is work horse, you are overrating him if you think he is anything else. His goals and assists is embarrassing.
Since you brought Young's name, he has scored 11 goals and 19 assists in 118 league games for ManUtd and he has played as full back in last 3 seasons. That's how poor Willian is.
Also, my quick analysis shows him to come out well.
Hopefully someone shows this to Chelsea and they sell us Hazard instead
Because of Hazard not because Willian ran around. We dont have a Hazard.
He is a very good player and would be a starter for you. Also he is absolutely top class at dead balls.
Ah, so you'd be worse with better player in your team. Makes sense.
He's been significantly better than Martial this season and can actually stay fit unlike Mkhitaryan. Mou would've killed for Willian in his side this season.
That's all I'll say. Won't clog up this thread anymore with this silly argument.
Also, my quick analysis shows him to come out well.
Desperation times when winger is compared with Defensive midfielder.
Ashley Young has been good enough to make TOTY. Willian will never reach that level. What an insulting comparison.
No he won't.
Regular starter for the biggest national team in world football, regular at Chelsea for much of two title winning sides, Chelsea player of the year once.
"Embarrassing." "Poor." Okay.
Not really. Look at the post I was quoting. I was comparing their passing, which is clearly shown in the graphic.
He was an integral part of the team, like it or not. I'm also not saying just buy him (all though Martial plays very similar to hazard - obvisouly not as good yet though). I like him, Mourinho likes him. He's very underrated here. If we do end up signing him, its good business.
Willian is a much better player than Ashley Young.
Okay, see ya. That's me gone.
Ashley Young is better than Willian. I've heard it all now. Later, man.
Pass completion stats won't tell much without context. IIRC Mikel always among the the players with highest pass completion%.
Willian is decent squad player, nothing more. He is work horse with limited technical ability. He is excellent set piece taker though.
What? I said his output is embarrassing.
These days it won't take much to start for Brazil, even Fred was starter for them.
Yeah man. The same Ashley Young who a couple of season pretty much matched Willians productivity from while playing half the season at wing back.
When Willian ever reaches the Heights Young did at Villa give me a wave.
Ones a Brazilian so he was always going to be rated in the face of facts and logic.
I think he's quality and would happily take him if the price was reasonable. It's just his age which slightly puts me off.
Also, my quick analysis shows him to come out well.
I agree and I would like to add before Tite took over as coach; Willian was starter for a significant period on the NT and his competition was the likes of Douglas Costa, Lucas Moura, Felipe Anderson, Coutinho. This is all the same players that people fawn all over about. He may not be world class but he is definitely no scrub.
That zero end product of more goals and assists per minute than Willian this and last season. Willian must be producing negative end product.
I like Smashley but this is just ridiculous
Tell me why it's ridiculous. Young has been past it for a while but he was very good for Villa and a very productive player who made team of the year. Willians high points so far have been banging a few free kicks for half a season in Chelseas worst season ever.
Lingard will be our Willian. Two reasonably talented players who will often play more than people want them to because they work hard and managers like them tactically.
Missed this gem earlier. You really don't see the irony, do you?
There really isn't that much irony.
How can people say Willian isn't a top player is beyond me. Did yas not watch Chelsea 2 seasons ago when they won the league. He was brilliant for them. A live wire and brillaint in counter attacks. Exactly what we need in our team.
There really isn't that much irony.
Man you have to stop abusing the stats. Willian takes set pieces, so obviously his chance creation and key passes will be higher.
Sterling has more goals and assists than Willian and in 2 years he has scored nearly as many goals as Willian did in 4 years.
I was using the same methods I am now last season, but for Valencia. I was basically the only one saying that he was quality and everyone was disagreeing with me. If you don't believe me, go look at the first page on Valencia's performance thread. Back then, it wasn't cool to say he was one of the best right backs in the league/world. I was right, and I'm right again now.
He's a very good player. It's baffling to see so many turn their nose up at him as if he's beneath our level.
Yeah so when we need replacement for Valencia we can sign Willian.
This is Lingard without taking set pieces, so using your methods, we have our own Willian.
Yeah so when we need replacement for Valencia we can sign Willian.
This is Lingard without taking set pieces, so using your methods, we have our own Willian.
When did I every say I was using just stats to determine wether or not I rate him. I actually watch him quite a lot. I said what he was good at:
Someone rebuked that, without really giving any evidence of why they thought what they did. And then I proceeded to try and back up my argument.
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