We'd probably had strootman if fergie stayed for a little while more.
William Carvalho
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lol no they wouldn't, No need to exaggerate. Out of them 3, Vidal is the only world class one while Herrera and Carvalho are pretty much potential right now. We have no idea right now if Herrera or Carvalho will develop into top players, so how can you say they would go toe toe with any midfield in Europe?
Bayern, Madrid, Barca, City, Roma etc will still have better midfields on paper.
Nah, buying midfielders wasn't really Fergies cup of tea in his later years.
You don't need a midfield full of world class players to match world class opponents. Dortmund and Athletico seems to have done very well against 'big clubs' simply through being very well organised and having excellent balance in their respective teams.
Herrera-Carvalho-Vidal would be exceptionally balanced.
The was lots of smoke that we were interested in strootman. Then moyes came in, strootman decided to go to Roma and moyes chose fellaini instead.
It would be better than the midfield that put us in 3 Champions League finals in 4 years.
I would even argue our team (on paper) would be better than those sides overall.
I can't recall a Manchester United side since 1999 with as many star players as De Gea/Mata/Rooney/RVP/Di Maria/Herrera/Januzaj/Kagawa and possibly Carvalho or Vidal
Herrera is a star? He is a good, promising player - the fact that we paid an insane amount of money to get him shouldn't confuse anybody. Kagawa isn't a star too, neither is Carvalho at this point.
VDS - Ronaldo - Rooney - Rio - Vidic - Evra - Scholes - Giggs - Tevez - Anderson (as much star as Januzaj is now) have more star quality - and we had the best player in the world and 2 of the best CB's at that point (possibly LB too) - who is genuinely World Class in this team? Maybe DDG and Di Maria - there are better 10's than Mata and better forwards than RVP and Rooney - not much, but there are.
Our squad from 2007-09 squad was quite packed with stars tbf, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov, Scholes, Vidic, Rio, Evra and VDS.
Although I agree, landing Vidal/Carvalho would give us a better team (ON PAPER) than the team which won the last 2 League titles (2011,2013).
IMO, landing Vidal/Carvalho would give us the best front 6 in the Premier League right now, whether LVG can get them playing together, I have no idea.
Could Hererra, Januzaj or even Kagawa really be described as "star" players yet? From an "I'm not a Man Utd fan" point of view?
Better forwards than RVP and Rooney, for real? If so which teams have better forwards than Rooney and RVP?
I was reading the Barcelona forum yesterday, clicked on a thread and even on there they said Manchester United have one of the best attacks (RVP/Rooney/Di Maria/Mata etc) in the world, so thats an outside pov looking in at our team.
I agree with Herrera and maybe it is too early to call him a 'top player' but i think there is a good chance he'll get a Spain call up this season and that is hard to do with all the talent they have, i guess what i mean is potential star players - If United get Vidal or Carvalho or even if we don't and get Strootman next season and we make the Champions League, put it this way i wouldn't fear going up against Barcelona or i wouldn't think we've lost against them before the game even kicked-off like i felt in the 2 finals against them with a team like this:-
-----Rooney or RVP
Di Maria---Mata----Januzaj
---Herrera-----Carvalho
That would be a "no".
What's a "star" anyway? I preferred the arguments about "world class".
Very well-known I guess. Whereas world-class has more to do with footballing ability.
Herrera would be regarded as quality but not a star yet. Januzaj is still raw potential. kagawa as a tidy player who just hasn't done it in a United shirt.
Seems an absolute brute and brilliant at winning the ball back. If he's ready for the pace of the premier league could improve us drastically.
If you are coming from a 'I'm not a Man Utd fan' viewpoint, then you must judge which player you feared playing against.
From the 3 you listed, I believe players will hate to go against Hererra, Januzaj, Kagawa in that order.
Hererra commits himself to tackle and have a good passing accuracy too. Januzaj have the ability to go past opposition but still at times poor decision making. Kagawa has good positioning and forward movement but lacks goal threats.
This to me has the look of scrounging around last minute if it happens.
This would of been done earlier if LvG had really wanted him.
This would of been done earlier if LvG had really wanted him.
I hope Angel DiMaria never reads that post...
Nothing to do with the fact that Sporting are now open to a much more reasonable offer then?
Because it's already late in the transfer window and they don't have any time to find a replacement?
Why would they sell now and not a month ago? It does not make sense. He clearly isn't a main target.
He'd be a good signing, most importantly, in a position we're desperate in. Just like Di Maria.
Get it fecking done.
Get it fecking done.
I was under the (perhaps incorrect) impression that Sporting are still in pretty dire need of some money, they have been quite openly touting WC around at a £37m asking price, in the last week or so they have dropped that to a much more reasonable £26m ish price, as such he becomes a much more valid option for us, hence reigniting our interest.
Potentially a proper world class midfielder. Everything we lack. Wins a lot of tackles, dominates his space, physically imposing and he knows how to use his size. A real presence.
The things that make him stand out from the DM crowd though are the attributes you don't expect to see from him because of his quite dumpy appearance. He can pick a pass and has more than a few tricks up his sleeve. Also a pretty good engine despite how he looks.
I suspect that he will be tailor made for the premier league. One of those players we will regret not signing.
I have massive doubts over this one. He has potential to become a very good defensive midfielder in a couple of years, but we desperately need someone with authority in midfield.
Whoever comes in this summer, the pressure on him will be enormous. You don’t want to put that pressure on 22 year old player.
Also, he’s another one who can only play in 3 man midfield.
Better than nothing but a big risk, might fail miserably here.
Whoever comes in this summer, the pressure on him will be enormous. You don’t want to put that pressure on 22 year old player.
Also, he’s another one who can only play in 3 man midfield.
Better than nothing but a big risk, might fail miserably here.
They are no rich club, but the new president isn't keen to sell their best player. I don't think they'll sell for that amount, his release-clause is at 37M, either someone pays that or he'll stay for at least another year.
Why do you say that?
Vidal staying. This is a last minute buy.
Sry busy day at the office can´t answer questions as quickly as in the Rojo thread. With his caracteristics, perhaps he can but i never seen him play in that position. He played as DM and CM at Sporting and CB at Cercle Brugges. Sometimes he would cover Rojo´s position because Rojo had the tendency of doing forward runs to incorporate the attack or try long distances shots.
Ah I see, thanks for the info.
No prob mate. I think there won´t be any problems regarding that matter. There are institutional relations with this bank related fund and they will be obviously aware of any negotiations regarding any transfer offer. The relations between Sporting and this fund are completely different in comparison with the Doyen affair. From what i´m aware of. We have been buying percentage back from other players who are connected to this fund.
Pretty highly rated last minute buy.
Cheers. No problem, mate. You've been a godsend on here keeping us up to date on all things Sporting. I don't think we have any other Sporting fans on here so it's really great to hear from someone whose watched Rojo/Carvalho plus you certainly know your football too!
Really hope we can get this one done now. He seems like he's the real deal!
I'm not denying that.
I think there was another fan SCP1908 or something but he stop posting since the World Cup days. This forum has some good users in what concerns portuguese football. Arruda (although a Porto fan
) is a very fair and balanced poster with good football knowledge. When i was at the newbies i used to read his posts with interest and there isn´t much we disagree with besides the teams we support and the respective objectives. Maniak also has some interesting posts although he´s an Arsenal fan i think. Dunno what´s the history behind it. Barros is a United/Sporting fan also.Carvalho is highly rated here in Portugal but before i call him the real deal i want to see him play in a competition like the Champions League and how he will react and adapt to a move to a more competitive league. I´m quite confident he will become a class player but he has to prove more than just one very good season at Portugal. I´m very excited in what concerns his potencial but let´s see how he evolves. It´s not just Moyes that was a fan of him, Wenger is also keen on Carvalho. "O Jogo" has confirmed at least two Arsenal bids. Besides Boa Morte and Rui Fonte i think (dunno if Arsenal bought him or he left on free transfer) we never did any deal with Arsenal. I suppose it shows there are alot people following Carvalho and it´s not just hype.
Thanks @Sly, this is a good place to post. I came here first time just to discuss a United - Porto (registered unaware I'd be trapped in the newbies for a year) and then sought refugee after realizing it was impossible to discuss football with other fans in the Portuguese forums. They're excellent sources of information for our clubs, but unbiased (or less than terribly biased) discussions are borderline impossible. As soon as you try and compliment anything your rivals are doing you become a laughing stock, when not outright a WUM suspect.
Now we just need to find a replacement for poor ricardinho and we can get a fair Portuguese league thread going.
Now we just need to find a replacement for poor ricardinho and we can get a fair Portuguese league thread going.
Aguero, Ibrahimovic, racist b (sadly). Lewandowski is at least on par with them at the moment (not overall their careers, of course). Falcao is in the same bracket, Costa is looking very sharp too - RVP wasn't that impressive since his brilliant spell in the first season with us, Rooney was very good but not WC since 10/11, I think. Overall we have a brilliant attacking unit (that's what Barca's fans were talking about) and Di Maria would probably provide the needed balance, but individually there are better players in today's football.
Yes, it´s very difficult to discuss football in portuguese foruns. The level of comments in the portuguese sports sites is atrocious. I´m a long time lurker of this site. Since the Ronaldo days. Was still in Law School in Coimbra back then. Feels like ages ago. Damm i´m old now. When they cut newbie access to the general (understandably so) i had to stop being lazy and actually contribute to the forum (have to get my daily fix of RN7 posts). I also agree with most of your views in CE forum, i think we must be the same political spectrum. I just don´t want to get involved in the CE forum yet because i´m affraid it will be too much time consuming.
Well good luck with that. I would love to have a Benfica fan here but if we evaluate the level of their participation by what goes on in "Ser Benfiquista" forum, it will be hard to find someone for a balanced view. Ricardinho was actually a fair representation of most of the Benfica fans. I don´t want to generalize but that´s from my personal experience.
Even here in the states they are the worse kind of fans, arrogant and ignorant and we can't have a normal conversation with them.
Get a room you two
Think Strootman had decided on Roma before Moyes came in. Missing out on Strootman was more Fergie, sorry to say.
I am guessing we will hear something more concrete tomorrow.
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