Van Gaal said Di Maria allows him to change to his old system.
So if we go 4-3-3, do you want to see Young or Valencia on the wings? I'd rather see Di Maria.
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Van Gaal said Di Maria allows him to change to his old system.
So if we go 4-3-3, do you want to see Young or Valencia on the wings? I'd rather see Di Maria.
Is this potentially on then?
Agreed with this.
Also even if we sign both (Vidal and William), all we need is to move on Cleverley, Fellaini and Anderson.
We'll have William, Herrera, Vidal, Fletcher, Carrick as central midfield options(2 positions or even 3 as Vidal can play in advance role if Mata/Rooney are injured) which is perfect balance, having in mind that Fletcher and Carrick don't have long left.
If we get Carvalho and or Vidal I don't think he should be a regular for us anymore even this season. He's been great for us but we need younger, fitter midfielders in this system with the ability to actually make tackles and dribble with the ball which Carrick can't do.
I think we definitely need at least one of the two. Preferably both. Because a Carrick Fletcher midfield for me isn't that much better than a Cleverly Fletcher midfield if Herrera were to get injured.
You're living in a dreamland. And what you're proposing is never going to happen.
Di Maria has already suggested that he is playing on the left of a three man midfield, which makes sense considering it is his best position and we have just spent £60million on him.
We do not have unlimited amounts of money, you don't break the United record transfer fee signing Mata, break it again the next year and sign Di Maria, and then either drop of play both out of position so we can spend another £100million+ signing Vidal, Carvalho and Strootman.
You make it sound like fletcher is ancient
He s 30..
30 isn't ancient for a defensive midfielder by any stretch, but physically he's probably older (for a footballer). He missed two full years of football. That has to affect your fitness.
Having a life threatening desease also plays a part in that.
Carvalho now and Strootman next year might be the plan. If Carvalho can add the much needed steel in midfield, as has been hoped from him, then I think we can still put us in a position to get in top 4 with Carvalho, Herrera, Carrick and Fletcher as midfield options and then an addition next summer to take a further step.
Well that's what I mean. Even if 30 isn't too bad, the chances of him being up to the peak physical fitness of a normal 30 year old midfielder are low. So it's not unreasonable to treat him like he's slightly older.
You failed to my answer my point.
So if we play 4-3-3, who is going to play on the wings?
I think some people have already forgotten about Fletcher's performances against Swansea and Sunderland. Sure he might get better, but for now we need to start winning league games otherwise we'll be so far behind the top 4 in a few weeks that we won't be able to catch up. Therefore we need to get Carvalho and or Vidal in before Monday night.
Yes, and he hasn't played a competitive game where he's looked upto the pace of the game since his illness.
Januzaj annd Valencia?
As much as i want us to sign Vidal if we are really interested in Carvalho then this is the transfer likely to happen. We have great relation with his agent, good understanding with the club and the reported price is not too high.
The only person convinced we'll play 4-3-3 is yourself.
Di Maria has said he'll play in the middle which is his best position. Considering the fee its very likely he will indeed play there.
I think we'll play the diamond, which is a system Van Gaal has used previously. It's also a system that follows the same logic of his 3-5-2 as it gets Mata, Rooney and Van Persie into their best positions. It would also get the best out of Di Maria.
That is quite nice actually, if Mata has a free role.
I still think the defence looks pretty nutterish though. Red cards agogo.
I still think the defence looks pretty nutterish though. Red cards agogo.
Just give them Nani for free.
I too would be inclined to go for the diamond, taking into account the kind of personell we have at our disposal. Would allow most of our best players games in their best positions.
The issue with the sp****** diamond is you need to change it quickly when it doesn't work, as it often won't. The above is quite easy to change into a 4-2-3-1 though with Herrera sitting deeper and/or Carrick coming in.
The only person convinced we'll play 4-3-3 is yourself.
Di Maria has said he'll play in the middle which is his best position. Considering the fee its very likely he will indeed play there.
I think we'll play the diamond, which is a system Van Gaal has used previously. It's also a system that follows the same logic of his 3-5-2 as it gets Mata, Rooney and Van Persie into their best positions. It would also get the best out of Di Maria.
Wouldn't this formation leave our wings far too exposed if Rafael or Shaw fails to track back?
And I don't think Rooney and Van Persie upfront is a good combination either. Not based on past performances, no.
I really think Rooney can play in a freer role though.
Bit off topic but in every line up people give with either Vidal or Carvalho in it, Mata is always the problem of how we should fit him. Great player but no matter the line up we either sacrifice either Rooney or RVP (one being the captain and the other arguably the best striker in the PL) or if we fit both of them in the line up then we sacrifice width and the progress of Januzaj's potential. The only reason Mata will continue to play is he was a marquee player.
For me no matter who we signed from Vidal or Carvalho, if we're serious about getting the best out of our team it cannot include both Mata and Rooney and with Rooney's defensive qualities I know who i'd choose to play behind the striker.
4231
......Herrera-Carvalh
Januzaj-Rooney-Di Maria
.............RVP
433
Herrera..Carvalho..Rooney
Januzaj...RVP...Di Maria
For me no matter who we signed from Vidal or Carvalho, if we're serious about getting the best out of our team it cannot include both Mata and Rooney and with Rooney's defensive qualities I know who i'd choose to play behind the striker.
4231
......Herrera-Carvalh
Januzaj-Rooney-Di Maria
.............RVP
433
Herrera..Carvalho..Rooney
Januzaj...RVP...Di Maria
The DM (Carvaliho) would cover the wing in which the fullback has pushed up.
As for Rooney/RVP well we're going to have to see..
That would clearly only even vaguely work if you had 2 midfielders sitting back.
I hate the diamond personally but there's no doubt the lineup Theon posted is the one that allows us to play most of our best players in comfortable positions.
I like the idea, yeah. But I would rather Rooney/RVP partnering alongside someone like Welbeck/Wilson.
Both Herrera and Di Maria do get up and down the pitch a lot though.
Indeed. Only in pre-season when everyone else was at half mast. I'm not au fait with the biology of it all so it's merely an educated guess, but you'd assume the very fact his muscles would have to build up again after such a long period of not even training would "age" them, so to speak. Not to mention it's effect on stamina etc. He's probably closer to a 33 year old footballer than a 30 year old one. Someone like @Pogue Mahone would have a better insight than me though.
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Not really, if for instance Rafael has pushed up and we're attacking down the right, I would expect Shaw to hold (as Di Maria pushes on) and Carvaliho to cover the right wing. You can guess what happens if Shaw pushes on and we're attacking down the left
As someone also pointed out Di Maria and Herrera are two very hardworking CMs.
Di Maria and janazaj on the wings, a muppets wet dream lol
I don't think its the most natural partnership either, but we've made our bed so we have to make the most of it. There is a partnership in there, they're both far too good for them not to be able to play with each other.
On the first point that's the common criticism and one reason why I prefer 3-5-2's as it deals with overexposed flanks better. That said it's a critique often overstated and something which can be easily worked around. Shaw and Rafael are both fullbacks as opposed to wingbacks anyway, and with Di Maria in particular comfortable moving wide it isn't necessary for our fullbacks to continually expose themselves.
So this being the transfer forum, can we get back to that? What's the latest on him?
It's probably a result of him being completely knackered, but what took me by surprise was how incredibly easily he was dispossessed and how many touches he needed just to set himself for a simple pass or to turn. It's like he's playing on slow motion not only without the ball, but with the ball.
He's not anywhere near the standard of Premier League football at the moment.
Oh god if di Maria is put in CM , still gives VG the option to play young and Valencia at wingback, if he plans on doing that, I question his logic
@Sly can Carvalho play sweeper?
Sporting must be bloody sick of us by now.
At this point, I'd pay up to get him. We really need another body in central midfield and fast.
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