William Carvalho

Status
Not open for further replies.
Moved away from him to where though?

Maybe LVG said to just buy Herrera for midfield right now and then he will evaluate.
Vidal.

Totally different players I know, but I think you could make a good case for both players offering the more defensive side to a midfield 2 with Herrera. Vidal would obviously be the preferred choice as he has a lot more to his game than Carvalho, especially when it comes to going forward.
 
This one has gone real quiet. Either things are being done quietly or LvG doesn't want him.
This was one of the reported deals to be done early. If Van Gaal wanted him he would have given Woody the green light like with Shaw and Herrera, don't think we're interested.
 
Like i said from the start, he isn´t going to leave this year. We already have our budget covered (thanks to Champions League money) and he is tied to a long term contract. He is working with the team since yesterday. No rumours about United at all. Last news were about Arsenal paying 30 millions divided in 3 payments. Bid that was rejected apparently. And i´m not sure that this bid is real since the news came from the english media, that isn´t trustworthy (as seen lately with an invented Carlos Mané interview to The Sun, that he later denied on facebook).
 
Like i said from the start, he isn´t going to leave this year. We already have our budget covered (thanks to Champions League money) and he is tied to a long term contract. He is working with the team since yesterday. No rumours about United at all. Last news were about Arsenal paying 30 millions divided in 3 payments. Bid that was rejected apparently. And i´m not sure that this bid is real since the news came from the english media, that isn´t trustworthy (as seen lately with an invented Carlos Mané interview to The Sun, that he later denied on facebook).

Having said all that he would be a MUFC player right now if LVG wanted him.... just like the other deals that were lined up for awhile, like Shaw, Herrera. He just isnt worth anything even remotely close to his £36M buy out clause.
 
With deals for Vidal and Strootman unlikely to happen this summer, this guy or De Jong look to be our best bets right now. Would rather we go for De Jong and monitor the progress of our midfield transfer targets during the course of next season.
 
With deals for Vidal and Strootman unlikely to happen this summer, this guy or De Jong look to be our best bets right now. Would rather we go for De Jong and monitor the progress of our midfield transfer targets during the course of next season.
De Jong has his critics , but he'll do a job, then van Gaal will go after Strootman or Carvalho in January or next summer.
 
With deals for Vidal and Strootman unlikely to happen this summer, this guy or De Jong look to be our best bets right now. Would rather we go for De Jong and monitor the progress of our midfield transfer targets during the course of next season.
If we are not spending £40m on Vidal, we aint going to spend 37m Euros on Carvalho.
 
He's probably not worth the price Sporting want right now.

Arsenal seem seriously interested too.
 
Not sure he is only 22 and if we get him. Then if he has to go to Real Madrid he would be like 26 27 if he improves his transfer fee might be 60 million.. Seems like good business
Well you're pretty confident he is going to be the next big thing in midfield. I would be in favor of getting him if his fees were lower. 37m Euros release clause is just an exorbitant amount of money.
 
De Jong has his critics , but he'll do a job, then van Gaal will go after Strootman or Carvalho in January or next summer.

De Jong will probably bring the best out of Herrera in a central midfield of two in our current formation. One of the prime reasons why Netherlands couldn't execute their 3-5-2 formation on an attacking and possession level was their lack of quality central midfielders. Most of their attacks originated from long balls or simple passes to Robben and their midfield was really short on creativity and dynamism. With Herrera that won't be a problem. A midfield of Carrick/De Jong and Herrera is adequate enough in a 3-5-2 combination but I wouldn't mind more quality or youth in there as well. The lack of dynamism and mobility in that midfield could be compensated by playing Jones in a more aggressive and slightly more advanced role in the back three with Evans and Smalling sweeping up. I believe we will have enough quality up front with Mata, Rooney and RVP/Welbeck combined with attacking wing-back play from Shaw and Rafael as well. With Herrera providing occassional drive from midfield, I would be more than happy with that midfield and first 11.

Veered off topic but like I said, we should wait till we get into the champions league and go back into the market for a midfielder next season so that we won't be held to ransom. As much as I would like to compete for the title while signing the likes of Vidal/Di maria/Sanchez etc, its a transitional period with the team undergoing drastic changes with a radical manager at helm.
 
This De Jong hype is getting quite ridiculous now. 2 years ago, people would have been embarrassed to be even linked to him.
 
De Jong will probably bring the best out of Herrera in a central midfield of two in our current formation. One of the prime reasons why Netherlands couldn't execute their 3-5-2 formation on an attacking and possession level was their lack of quality central midfielders. Most of their attacks originated from long balls or simple passes to Robben and their midfield was really short on creativity and dynamism. With Herrera that won't be a problem. A midfield of Carrick/De Jong and Herrera is adequate enough in a 3-5-2 combination but I wouldn't mind more quality or youth in there as well. The lack of dynamism and mobility in that midfield could be compensated by playing Jones in a more aggressive and slightly more advanced role in the back three with Evans and Smalling sweeping up. I believe we will have enough quality up front with Mata, Rooney and RVP/Welbeck combined with attacking wing-back play from Shaw and Rafael as well. With Herrera providing occassional drive from midfield, I would be more than happy with that midfield and first 11.

Veered off topic but like I said, we should wait till we get into the champions league and go back into the market for a midfielder next season so that we won't be held to ransom. As much as I would like to compete for the title while signing the likes of Vidal/Di maria/Sanchez etc, its a transitional period with the team undergoing drastic changes with a radical manager at helm.
But without strengthening the midfield, you may not get back into the champions league, hence the need to sign a midfielder. I think De Jong can do a job.
 
If we are not spending £40m on Vidal, we aint going to spend 37m Euros on Carvalho.

We have no idea what happened with the Vidal transfer saga. If we are willing to pay £30 million for a teenage left back with two seasons under his belt, then you logically can't say we weren't willing to pay £40 million for a world class midfielder in his prime. I am not knocking down Shaw's transfer, think he will do brilliantly for us, but I feel you can't question our willingness to spend this window. Vidal's not coming to United must probably be due to other factors unknown to us.
 
Like Ryan Gosling would say "Be better than the gap" Well, we have to do better than Nigel de feckin Jong.
1e9aee75ab75f7efb356046b8e2a340b.jpg
 
We have no idea what happened with the Vidal transfer saga. If we are willing to pay £30 million for a teenage left back with two seasons under his belt, then you logically can't say we weren't willing to pay £40 million for a world class midfielder in his prime. I am not knocking down Shaw's transfer, think he will do brilliantly for us, but I feel you can't question our willingness to spend this window. Vidal's not coming to United must probably be due to other factors unknown to us.
Just because we spent £30m on two players doesn't mean we will continue to spend £30m on five more players. Yes we have the money but it doesn't just work like that. We aren't going to throw money at every single player that comes along.
 
Last edited:
This De Jong hype is getting quite ridiculous now. 2 years ago, people would have been embarrassed to be even linked to him.

Other than the fact that he is an ex-Man City player, there is nothing to be embarrassed about. I would actually say City have missed him since he departed with zero adequate cover for their midfield the past 2 seasons. The likes of Rodwell and Javi Garcia have done nothing to show that they were better than De Jong and City wouldn't have needed to buy Fernando if they still had De Jong. They could have also been better and more solid in the big games with 3 central midfielders in De Jong, Fernandinho and Toure. I remember them being overrun in midfield more often than not against some of the better teams(Chelsea, Bayern, Barca etc). One of the prime reasons they played with 2 midfielders was because they only had 2 good ones not just because they wanted to better utilize their 3 good strikers.
 
But without strengthening the midfield, you may not get back into the champions league, hence the need to sign a midfielder. I think De Jong can do a job.

Like I've stated in my earlier post, a midfield duo of Herrera and De Jong might not look the most impressive but given the context of a 3-5-2 formation with more emphasis on attacking wingbacks and quality forwards, it is more than adequate enough to get into the top 4.

Its a bit like how Barca signed Mathieu to shore up their woeful defense but will still be competing for the top spot given their overall quality of the squad. ;)
 
Other than the fact that he is an ex-Man City player, there is nothing to be embarrassed about. I would actually say City have missed him since he departed with zero adequate cover for their midfield the past 2 seasons. The likes of Rodwell and Javi Garcia have done nothing to show that they were better than De Jong and City wouldn't have needed to buy Fernando if they still had De Jong. They could have also been better and more solid in the big games with 3 central midfielders in De Jong, Fernandinho and Toure. I remember them being overrun in midfield more often than not against some of the better teams(Chelsea, Bayern, Barca etc). One of the prime reasons they played with 2 midfielders was because they only had 2 good ones not just because they wanted to better utilize their 3 good strikers.
If I had to make out a list of better midfieders out there, we would be here until morning. He is 29 years old and very limited in what he does. He is solid defensively, his passing is far from great, average at best. We might as well stick with Fellaini if we are going to sign De Jong, barely an upgrade. Bearing in mind Fellaini is also several years younger and more dominant in the air. I'm sorry but I can't get excited at the prospect of signing De Jong, failed to impress me. He would be a solid squad player but should not be bought to be played alongside Herrera and be expected to be our midfield saviour, cause he would severely disappoint. If we end this window with De Jong and Blind signed, I reckon the majority of fans will be quite disappointed and I certainly would not expect to win too many trophies this season. We should be competing for the best players in the world, we are Manchester United, not Aston Villa.

Fair enough if we buy him, with the intention of using him as a squad player, I'd be up for that. Should not however be the answer to our midfield problem. Anyway rant over, this is the Carvalho thread after all.
 
We have no idea what happened with the Vidal transfer saga. If we are willing to pay £30 million for a teenage left back with two seasons under his belt, then you logically can't say we weren't willing to pay £40 million for a world class midfielder in his prime. I am not knocking down Shaw's transfer, think he will do brilliantly for us, but I feel you can't question our willingness to spend this window. Vidal's not coming to United must probably be due to other factors unknown to us.

Or maybe the fact we've already spent the best part of £60 million on two players is a big part of the reason we aren't willing to spend big again on another.

As RDCR07 said above, it doesn't really follow that "We were willing to spend big on him and him, so we definitely would be willing to spend on this other guy"
We have a budget in mind (regardless of what Woodward or anybody might say), and having spent so much on two players already, it's likely that money is a big reason for this potential Vidal transfer not happening.

Spending big on two players doesn't indicate the club will spend similar amounts again and again this summer. If anything, it indicates that those were our big money signings.

For the record, I haven't given up hope that we'll sign Vidal. It's unlikely, but who knows?
I'm just challenging the idea that spending big on a player or two suggests a willingness to spend the similar amounts again on top of that.
 
If I had to make out a list of better midfieders out there, we would be here until morning. He is 29 years old and very limited in what he does. He is solid defensively, his passing is far from great, average at best. We might as well stick with Fellaini if we are going to sign De Jong, barely an upgrade. Bearing in mind Fellaini is also several years younger and more dominant in the air. I'm sorry but I can't get excited at the prospect of signing De Jong, failed to impress me. He would be a solid squad player but should not be bought to be played alongside Herrera and be expected to be our midfield saviour, cause he would severely disappoint. If we end this window with De Jong and Blind signed, I reckon the majority of fans will be quite disappointed and I certainly would not expect to win too many trophies this season. We should be competing for the best players in the world, we are Manchester United, not Aston Villa.

Fair enough if we buy him, with the intention of using him as a squad player, I'd be up for that. Should not however be the answer to our midfield problem. Anyway rant over, this is the Carvalho thread after all.

I'm against signing de Jong, but the list of midfielder out there, who are available and good enough seems short to me. Who would you sign for midfield, who's realistic and available?
 
I'm against signing de Jong, but the list of midfielder out there, who are available and good enough seems short to me. Who would you sign for midfield, who's realistic and available?
It's impossible to say who is available or not, only Woody and Van Gaal are aware of that. Who says De Jong is available? Even Alex Song from Barcelona would be a better option. We could have signed Fernando before City signed him, seems like a decent player and came quite cheap, Khedira, Gustavo, L.Bender, Schneiderlin, Sandro,Imbula,Mccarthy maybe even Illarramendi, since I'm guessing he won't play much for the next few seasons at Madrid.
 
If I had to make out a list of better midfieders out there, we would be here until morning. He is 29 years old and very limited in what he does. He is solid defensively, his passing is far from great, average at best. We might as well stick with Fellaini if we are going to sign De Jong, barely an upgrade. Bearing in mind Fellaini is also several years younger and more dominant in the air. I'm sorry but I can't get excited at the prospect of signing De Jong, failed to impress me. He would be a solid squad player but should not be bought to be played alongside Herrera and be expected to be our midfield saviour, cause he would severely disappoint. If we end this window with De Jong and Blind signed, I reckon the majority of fans will be quite disappointed and I certainly would not expect to win too many trophies this season. We should be competing for the best players in the world, we are Manchester United, not Aston Villa.

Fair enough if we buy him, with the intention of using him as a squad player, I'd be up for that. Should not however be the answer to our midfield problem. Anyway rant over, this is the Carvalho thread after all.

De Jong is far better than Fellaini's defensively. I wouldn't call him barely an upgrade over Fellaini. There are several better midfielders out there who are better than De Jong but how many of them are viable and are willing to join us? I would rather see a player genuinely wanting to play for us like Herrera who sacrificed champions league football to come here, than a player who just comes here because we show him the money. I don't mind us spending money on players like Vidal and Strootman but it doesn't look like its going to happen is it. It just makes more sense to go after someone who has played under LVG and looked impressive in a 3-5-2 system.


Or maybe the fact we've already spent the best part of £60 million on two players is a big part of the reason we aren't willing to spend big again on another.

As RDCR07 said above, it doesn't really follow that "We were willing to spend big on him and him, so we definitely would be willing to spend on this other guy"
We have a budget in mind (regardless of what Woodward or anybody might say), and having spent so much on two players already, it's likely that money is a big reason for this potential Vidal transfer not happening.

Spending big on two players doesn't indicate the club will spend similar amounts again and again this summer. If anything, it indicates that those were our big money signings.

For the record, I haven't given up hope that we'll sign Vidal. It's unlikely, but who knows?
I'm just challenging the idea that spending big on a player or two suggests a willingness to spend the similar amounts again on top of that.

I understand we aren't Real Madrid and we are not going to go crazy on the transfer front. But if you look at the scenario where our midfield is in a horrendous state with Carrick's injury depleting it further, us not going for Vidal who is supposedly available at 40 mil doesn't make sense. Like I've said it must be due to other factors and definitely not the rumoured 40 million price tag.
 
It's impossible to say who is available or not, only Woody and Van Gaal are aware of that. Who says De Jong is available? Even Alex Song from Barcelona would be a better option. We could have signed Fernando before City signed him, seems like a decent player and came quite cheap, Khedira, Gustavo, L.Bender, Schneiderlin, Sandro,Imbula maybe even Illarramendi, since I'm guessing he won't play much for the next few seasons at Madrid.

Fair enough. Illarramendi, Carvalho or L. Bender would currently be my choices from that lot.
 
De Jong is far better than Fellaini's defensively. I wouldn't call him barely an upgrade over Fellaini. There are several better midfielders out there who are better than De Jong but how many of them are viable and are willing to join us? I would rather see a player genuinely wanting to play for us like Herrera who sacrificed champions league football to come here, than a player who just comes here because we show him the money. I don't mind us spending money on players like Vidal and Strootman but it doesn't look like its going to happen is it. It just makes more sense to go after someone who has played under LVG and looked impressive in a 3-5-2 system.




I understand we aren't Real Madrid and we are not going to go crazy on the transfer front. But if you look at the scenario where our midfield is in a horrendous state with Carrick's injury depleting it further, us not going for Vidal who is supposedly available at 40 mil doesn't make sense. Like I've said it must be due to other factors and definitely not the rumoured 40 million price tag.
That's debatable
Fair enough. Illarramendi, Carvalho or L. Bender would currently be my choices from that lot.

If our best defensive midfield option is Nigel De Jong at the moment, then I seriously question this club's scouting ability and I reckon most people would agree with that.
 
we won't sign anyone before the end of the tour imo, LVG has said he wants to evaluate the current squad first, all the speculation & gossip is just that, LVG has as good as said nobody will join or leave till after the tour so you can zip your flies lads.
 
Fair enough. Illarramendi, Carvalho or L. Bender would currently be my choices from that lot.
Illarramendi would be realistic but there'll be those complaining about united signing a player who barely got a look in at Real Madrid. Carvalho might still come after all.
 
Also, if we are going to stick with this 3-5-2 formation, we are not going to see an awful lot of Januzaj I'm afraid.
 
Illarramendi would be realistic but there'll be those complaining about united signing a player who barely got a look in at Real Madrid. Carvalho might still come after all.
Still an awful lot better than Nigel De Jong. Players leaving Madrid means nothing in regards to their quality, the fact they are considering selling Di Maria says it all.
 
Also, if we are going to stick with this 3-5-2 formation, we are not going to see an awful lot of Januzaj I'm afraid.
We already know his ability and his potential and LVG is also going to be aware. He said it himself he prefers giving young players opportunities. Im sure Januzaj will get his chances this season. I doubt we will play 3-5-2 every single game.
 
One thing you would get with de jong is we would walk into a derby match knowing we wont get run through the middle. We would be able to be solid against our rivals for the first time in a few years now. i wouldnt be terrified going away to the etihad preparing our ass for Toure to demolish
 
Some criminal underrating of the 'head of incidental pressing' going on in here :D

Anyway let's stop discussing about him and go back to Carvalho. Any recent developments on him?
 
If our best defensive midfield option is Nigel De Jong at the moment, then I seriously question this club's scouting ability and I reckon most people would agree with that.

Exactly. There has to be quality midfielders out there that we can sign. The pecking order can no be Vidal, Carvalho and then De Jong. If that is the case we are definitely not doing our due diligence.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.