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William Carvalho
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Its crazy money, but its not his fault these clubs demand those rediculous buy-out clauses, but he's definitely ready step up a level - nevermind what he'll be like in a few years time. He's only 22 afterall.
He's not worth £37m, same as Shaw isnt worth upwards of £34m, but you're payin top dollar for players who have their best years ahead of them & are already amongst the best in their positions in european football.
We all know & the club does aswell, that we need a serious revamp of the squad - especially the 1st 11 & they surely knew that top players are gonna cost a mint, so my opinion is - the club are willing to spend shitloads now & not have to worry about the key positions were seriously lacking in for a good while. Plus we have the young lads that will be given a chance under Van Gaal.
Its about time we flexed our financial muscles & stick the fingers up to the new money clubs. We earned the right to spend what we like & now is the opportunity to acheive LVG's aim to win the league at his 1st attempt - but we need top-class players in to do that..
The more the merrier in my book - its not my money their spending!
How do you know that Sparky & whatya mean "no thank you"? You dont want both??
I think you're basing that judgement on our previous records of being linked to every top-class CM & ended up with no-one. I totally dig that. I think you dont want to get your hopes up & get them shot down. Last summer was a friggin nightmare for us all. I cant remember being so deflated about a transfer window like last year. Right up to the last minute we all hoped we'd players sorted that hadnt been released to the press yet. It was soul-destroying & we all knew the season was gonna be shite - bar a miracle..
Personally speaking, CM is the key area we need to get sorted for the next number of years & also sort out the CB situation also. I think we need another 2 CM's in & those 2: Vidal & Carvalho fit the bill perfectly in my opinion. It shouldnt be a question of which one we should go for - its a question of, if we cant get them 2 - what other 2 can we get of similar traits.
How do you garner that assumption mate?
Its bizarre if the club think one CM is adequate to make the team successful - its friggin deluded to say the least. Thankfully, the club dont think the same way you do - otherwise we're gonna struggle to get 4th with the squad we have at the moment. Thats not what we're about is it?
We want to compete for all trophies - not just scrape 4th spot. We have one quality CM in Carrick (who was massively under-par last season, but will come good under Van Gaal i feel) & thats a disgrace for a club our size. Carrick would be great for Carvalho's development no doubt too. You need atleast 3/4 quality CM's in the squad if you have aspirations to win the biggest trophies like we do.
Vidal, Herrera, Carvalho & Carrick would completely revolutionise the clubs fortunes & thats what we should be aiming for in this summers window
I don't think it's enough. But I have a feeling we might done already. Probably one more player then we finish (I don't know which area LVG is trying to strengthen CB, RB or CM or Wing). To be honest if LVG is that good then he should be able to get the best out of our current players right now. If he can't then he is nowhere near SAF level.
I'd hazard a guess that its: 1 CB + another CB that can also play LB (if Evra goes - hence the Vermalaen links), a holding CM & another box-box CM & 2 wingers.. Thats 5 players there - with one doubling up as 2..
Lets hope so anyway - more the merrier..
Record and a few other papers saying we're going to get Carvalho as Sporting are signing his replacement in some Nigerian player.
Judging by the reports of how talks have gone we look to be taking him. Im happy with it if thats the case.
I'm not sure if he's the right man for us. From what I've seen (and heard), he is a pure DM and if we are bringing him I think we have to play 3 in central midfield, that means we need 2 mobile players around him. One is Herrera, but I don’t think we have anybody else suited to that role.
Playing him in 2 man midfield is a mistake IMO.
Playing him in 2 man midfield is a mistake IMO.
Don't fret, we are getting him to play behind Herrera and Vidal
That would be our ideal cm scenario imo.
Carvalho
Vidal - Herrera
Vidal - Herrera
feck.
We won't get both no chance, but carvalho seems a more united type signing, he could end up being another Anderson, or an outstanding CM for years to come
How do you know that Sparky & whatya mean "no thank you"? You dont want both??
I think you're basing that judgement on our previous records of being linked to every top-class CM & ended up with no-one. I totally dig that. I think you dont want to get your hopes up & get them shot down. Last summer was a friggin nightmare for us all. I cant remember being so deflated about a transfer window like last year. Right up to the last minute we all hoped we'd players sorted that hadnt been released to the press yet. It was soul-destroying & we all knew the season was gonna be shite - bar a miracle..
Personally speaking, CM is the key area we need to get sorted for the next number of years & also sort out the CB situation also. I think we need another 2 CM's in & those 2: Vidal & Carvalho fit the bill perfectly in my opinion. It shouldnt be a question of which one we should go for - its a question of, if we cant get them 2 - what other 2 can we get of similar traits.
How do you garner that assumption mate?
Its bizarre if the club think one CM is adequate to make the team successful - its friggin deluded to say the least. Thankfully, the club dont think the same way you do - otherwise we're gonna struggle to get 4th with the squad we have at the moment. Thats not what we're about is it?
We want to compete for all trophies - not just scrape 4th spot. We have one quality CM in Carrick (who was massively under-par last season, but will come good under Van Gaal i feel) & thats a disgrace for a club our size. Carrick would be great for Carvalho's development no doubt too. You need atleast 3/4 quality CM's in the squad if you have aspirations to win the biggest trophies like we do.
Vidal, Herrera, Carvalho & Carrick would completely revolutionise the clubs fortunes & thats what we should be aiming for in this summers window
Look to our central midfield options for the 2006/07 season, Carrick scholes fletcher with oshea has a plan B in midfield, so it has happened against a monster Chelsea squad
Thats the dream anyway.. but is the money there though?
Ed said last summer there was no budget for Moyes, that he can have what he needs. I wonder if thats the case with LvG?!
Vidal Herrera
Mata/Rooney
Got a lot more going for it imo. Use the Carvalho cash to boost any pot for Vidal and for a class CB/Winger for me. Said it in other threads that if we can get Vidal there's just no need for Carvalho, he unlikely to want to be a squad player and with the options we have at number ten I don't see why we'd need him at the sort of prices quoted.
He strikes me as another Victor Wanyama but a more defensive one.
We really need to be sure about him to pay that much for him. He hasn't impressed me once whenever I've seen him.
He's built like a tank and has Carrickisque positional sense though.
We really need to be sure about him to pay that much for him. He hasn't impressed me once whenever I've seen him.
He's built like a tank and has Carrickisque positional sense though.
Sporting Lisbon chairman Bruno De Carvalho has denied claims the club have received bids for midfield starlet William Carvalho.
Reports claimed that Manchester United had sent delegates to Lisbon to begin negotiations over a £37million deal for the 22-year-old.
However, Bruno De Carvalho quashed the speculation by insisting the club have not opened any talks regarding the future of the Portugal international.
"We haven't received any formal or informal proposals for any of our players," De Carvalho confirmed in A Bola.
United, Chelsea and Monaco have all been linked with Carvalho but Sporting are not worried about letting the defensive midfielder go due to the €45million release fee written into his contract.
Despite insisting the club are yet to receive any offers for Carvalho, the Sporting chairman understands things can rapidly change during the summer transfer window.
“Is a sale possible? Nothing is impossible in football,” De Carvalho admitted.
Reports claimed that Manchester United had sent delegates to Lisbon to begin negotiations over a £37million deal for the 22-year-old.
However, Bruno De Carvalho quashed the speculation by insisting the club have not opened any talks regarding the future of the Portugal international.
"We haven't received any formal or informal proposals for any of our players," De Carvalho confirmed in A Bola.
United, Chelsea and Monaco have all been linked with Carvalho but Sporting are not worried about letting the defensive midfielder go due to the €45million release fee written into his contract.
Despite insisting the club are yet to receive any offers for Carvalho, the Sporting chairman understands things can rapidly change during the summer transfer window.
“Is a sale possible? Nothing is impossible in football,” De Carvalho admitted.
He's alot better than Wanyama mate - way better.
4 out 9 Player of the Month Awards last season is something else, especially for someone deemed just a Defensive Mid-fielder. His readin of the game seems to be superb too & never dives in unless he has too. Very composed & seems to never give the ball away either, with a good range of passing & the odd Hollywood ball thrown in too..
I think he'd be excellent at United & would thrive in the Prem - same as Vidal would & Herrera will..
That's the type of midfield that can you off the park or bully you off the park
We do not have to play with three central midfielders. We can play with one box to box midfielder and an attacking playmaker, alongside/around him.
Carvalho(rdm) - Herrera(lcm)
Mata(cam)
Mata(cam)
Carvalho is not purely a defensive midfielder. He can be effective as a box to box midfielder aswell.
With those 3 & Carrick- we'd have some of the best CM options in world football.. Its perfect in my opinion!
We could even afford to drop Carrick into CB - he's pretty good there (better than what we have) & he'd be a ball-player aswell..
You think Carrick's better than Smalling, Evans & Jones as a centre half? What?
He's capable of that alright..
That's not as defensively strong as the other line-up and asks more of the less mobile Carvalho.
I'd like to see that put to the test..
Does anyone really believe we are in for Carvalho and Vidal? I'm convinced it's one or the other. Either there's nothing in the rumours for one of them, or Carvalho is the fall-back plan if Vidal can't be prised away.
To go from no center mids in god knows how many transfer windows, to 2 in one, is fantastic. To get 3 in one window is just not going to happen. Especially considering we already have 5 players for this position (6 including Herrera) and no CL football to occupy them all. That would be one hell of a fire sale.
To go from no center mids in god knows how many transfer windows, to 2 in one, is fantastic. To get 3 in one window is just not going to happen. Especially considering we already have 5 players for this position (6 including Herrera) and no CL football to occupy them all. That would be one hell of a fire sale.
I can't see us signing both unless we're going to be starting with a 3 man midfield of Vidal - Herrera and Carvalho behind. I don't think that will be the case as that will indicate we're dropping the use of wingers completely and evolving our system to 3 at the back. We don't have the man power to do that.
The other line up is not strong attacking wise, nor does it incoporate some of our players in a sutable role. In example, if we go with the lineup, you claim to be defensively strong, what happens to Mata or Rooney? They will most likely occupy a lesser role. Moreover, where will the penetrative attacking threat come from?
The lineup I showcased is more balanced with Carvalho anchoring, while Herrera playing the box to box role. These two in midfielder are a formidable partnership if you check the stats these players contributed to the defensive aspect of the game last season..e.g., tackling, acute passing and interception. Adding another midfielder in vidal would make our team unimaginative and less flowing in the attack. Mata in the hole provide the creativity to unlock the opposition defence, while leaving room for natural/false wingers on the side that can stretch and penetrate the opposition.
Basically, I do not see the need for two box to box midfielders in front of Carvalho when one would suffice.
That's my concern. He's not suited to that role in my opinion, using him that way is a big risk. I would rather wait and see how it goes with Strootman as he gives us more options. With Carvalho I don’t see anything else than 3 man midfield (Mata is not a central midfielder).
I agree.
Vidal and Herrera are both creative players, you make it sound as if we'd have two cloggers in there, and both are great at pressing high up to win the ball back, much more so than Rooney or Mata. Carvalho is not exactly quick and I think the extra protection of another proper CM would give us a better base to play from .
Exactly, one of the biggest issues we have had in midfield is teams essentially bypassing us with runners as we lack pace and mobility in there, I don't think Carvalho will fix that in a 2 man midfield with a #10 in front of them.
He's a pretty good talent from what i've seen so far of him.
But for the kind of prices being bandied about he needs to be a cert to be a elite talent. I don't think he is that.
But for the kind of prices being bandied about he needs to be a cert to be a elite talent. I don't think he is that.
They are moreso box to box players though. Mata is more creative. That lineup would be great when playing at the etihad or at the allianez arena, but at home or against lesser teams I want to see a free flowing, attacking United team. Once again, their is no need for two box to box players behind a holding mid unless for tactical reason. In particularily when you have one of the best no.10 in the league.
Fair enough, I said I was impressed with his positioning and reading too.
But he looked raw and indecisive with his passing when I've seen him. But I've seen very little of him admittedly.
But Anderson had a great season in the same league as him, do you think he's worth 30m+ transfer fee as you've seen him enough I assume.
We weren't just overrun in midfield by top teams though and if you play Carvalho in what is essentially a two man midfield then we'd be in the same situation as last season, Mata can play from the right and still effect the game well enough, he did for Chelsea quite often.
It's by far our main weakness though, everyone knows it too.
I know, that's what I was saying, I said we weren't just overrun by top teams in reply to the comment regarding only needing 3 CM's when playing at the Etihad or the Allianz.
Nah he's not worth £37m man, same as Shaw isnt worth £30m..
You're payin for the future, but both are ready to play at a bigger level right now.
Evra would be great for Shaw & Carrick would be great for Carvalho..
Their is a century difference in quality between having a midfield partnership of Carvalho and Herrera than there was having Carrick and Fellaini/Giggs/Cleverley/Fletcher.
Carvalho is much more solid shielding the back four than Carrick, while Herrera is a better complement than the others players listed, in particularily aiding his partner in solidifying the midfield. We will not get overruned, because our midfield has become much better.
There is zero evidence that he is any better than Carrick in a role that Carrick was excellent in the season before last and we still struggled in midfield. He has never played at the same level and has never played against the pace and physicality of the PL, neither has Herrera for that matter but Herrera has at least competed in Europe against us and as part of a very good U21 Spanish national side.
i agree. we dont know how good carvalho is until we see him play in a competitive league. I dont think he is worth his buy out clause
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