Martinez? Distribution? I mean he's good but he's not "the fact that he's comparable to Martinez means he's great" good compared to someone like Alonso?
William Carvalho
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Oh boy.
You think we'd get Chalobah off Chelsea for £5/6m? No chance.
I never said what you put in quotation marks. Are you a journalist?
Martinez may not be Alonso/Xavi standard re his distribution but he's still pretty fecking good and is a huge bonus if Carvalho is anywhere near him in terms of distribution when I was thinking he was nothing but a destroyer.
£37.5M and you're fine with the player being a few notches below Martinez; either those are some of the smallest notches in the world or you must've thought he was "fecking" garbage before he was compared to Martinez
I've never seen him play which I'd said already.
You're misunderstanding me slightly here. From what I've read on here and elsewhere I thought he was simply a destroyer (think De Jong) so I thought 37mil was ridiculous for a player of that ilk. However if he's comparable to Martinez on the ball (add to that he's a destroyer as well) then that changes my perceptions of him entirely. That's it.
This is how I feel about him. He'll become good, but not special.
By judging from his match in world cup, Carvalho passing is just nothing different with Fellaini. Short simple pass and sideway and rarely to make a great long ball. Martinez is way more class and he is worth of the money.
At the moment for his current level, in my opinion Carvalho = Mikel with more physical strength.
2 matches
Not seen anywhere near enough of him but tbh cant say I've seen that much of the players we've signed already. Nobody knows until they put the shirt on. I wasnt initially amazed when we signed Yorke but he was born to play at OT....you never know
His passing actually strikes me as one of his best assets. Certainly not just a battering ram.
Not really much to judge him by then considering you're way wide of the mark on both points.
for a 37 million man. 2 matches should be enough to see what kind of playing style he does. If you think it's not much then we might shouldn't sign him because 37 million is way too risk for a player like him. And I don't think everyone can disagree with what I just said most of them are sideway passes and short simple passes. Not to mentioned the USA 2nd goal was because his fault, showing lack concentration or just being lazy to drop back.
Price is irrelevant, 2 matches isn't enough to judge a player on regardless. He was poor in the Ghana game admittedly but he came on against USA and was the best player on the pitch as he has been many times this season. He's clearly not going to being spraying balls left, right & centre 24/7 and dictating play from deep in midfield as that's not the type of player he is but he's definitely good on the ball and he's a good passer.
Unfortunately the USA game isn't impressed me at all especially when the 2nd goal was his fault. And I think all his passing vs USA are sideway and short passes. He's a good short and sideway passer.
Doesn't really take much to see he came on and dominated the midfield against them but alright. Again, you're basing that off one and a half games. Watch him week in week out and you'll see he's good on the ball, a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
Just wanna let you know my previous post 2 weeks ago:
I don't think I ever said his ball control is bad or he's not good on the ball. We are talking about his passing, make sure don't change the topic of the conversation.
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I think we should end this as well. I have a feeling you will just make this clockwise if we keep continue. My last post is should be enough for telling you that we are talking about his passes. And I already said he's very good at the ball 2 weeks ago.
It's up to you what you wanna say. But I don't think I will reply.
I think we should end this as well. I have a feeling you will just make this clockwise if we keep continue. My last post is should be enough for telling you that we are talking about his passes. And I already said he's very good at the ball 2 weeks ago.
It's up to you what you wanna say. But I don't think I will reply.
Unless you mean best Portuguese player, you're wrong because Fabian Johnson was the best player for either side in that game. And he only 'dominated the midfield' because we let him FFS. Didn't pressure him at all and were content to let him stroll around and pass it sideways. He looked good in the tackle, that's about it. If that was a stand out match for him, he's not worth half of some of these prices being toated around.
our scouts obviously think he is the real deal. Van Gaal obviously wants him or we wont be negotiating for him.
many of our Sporting Lisbon supporters who have watched him regularly seem to rate him highly. If we get him signed, we would be making huge strides to strengthening our midfield.
many of our Sporting Lisbon supporters who have watched him regularly seem to rate him highly. If we get him signed, we would be making huge strides to strengthening our midfield.
I meant with the ball, basically the same thing. But yeah, if you're gonna base your opinion of a player on 1 and a half games it's not gonna get a debate on him very far.
I meant Portuguese player and yeah whether you let him or not, he still did. Don't think anyone really said it was a stand out performance from him as it wasn't it was standard, just that he was Portugal's stand out player that day.
Yeah I'll probably trust the people that seen him play week in and week out for Sporting. £37.5m is probably exorbitant, which I think even they would admit, but I think he is a quality player in the little I did manage to watch of him this year, but I don't know nearly enough to start extrapolating on what I think a fair valuation of the player is. If LVG, Woodward and the board feel that the fee even if slightly expensive is a fair estimation for his talent I will take their word for it and hope he's able to prove his worth in a United shirt. I'm also comfortable in saying that comparing him in a CM/CDM role to Fellaini is an insult. Fellaini is best when he plays further forward, an opportunity which is highly unlikely given the players ahead of him and the type of football Manchester United are expected to play.
The fact Sporting seem to be dangling him out there in the media reminds me of the way that Ukrainian winger was thrust at us by his clubs president, this is not the way we usually do business and the Herrera deal suggests we are going back to quiet and efficient, so hopefully this is all bullshit from his club.
Watching him on this WC was a waste of time since the team was not fit and when the coach/manager says it's ok to go to the WC a day or 2 after Brazil already played the opener....tells me everything. When the doctor says some players shouldn't be there because some physical issues and he still takes them (meireles, veloso, pereira, moutinho), watch him next CL games.
Sporting aren't dangling him in the media though. The only word come out of Sporting is that he won't be sold for less than his release clause. Anything else will be from Jorge Mendes.
They seem pretty keen for it to be out there that they are more than happy to sell him, that is not how we usually work, when we are actually in a deal situation you don't tend to hear a lot. I think they are inviting us to come and get him.
Ah gotcha.
Moyes seemed to really like him. That's good enough for me.
37m? For that money there's a whole list of better options we could sign. He's a DM and has only done it for one season, and didn't show much in the world cup either. I know it's not my money but 20m max is what we should offer and look elsewhere if it is rejected.
If Sporting is asking for 37.5mil, and Juventus is asking for "more than 45mil" for Vidal, I'd rather try for the latter.
I haven't seen him play myself, but judging from that video posted by Adnan above, he looks a (stronger*) Carrick.
*he looks physically stronger, but that's purely appearance. Not really a great deal in that video to judge his strength.
*he looks physically stronger, but that's purely appearance. Not really a great deal in that video to judge his strength.
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Who says we arent goin after both fatboy?
That would be some mid-field with Herrera, Vidal & Carvalho... and Carrick in there too, to hold tight for a tight finish/lead. Carrick is gonna be a completely different player this season i feel. If we did sign those 2, i'd hazard a guess that its Carrick that plays the holding role & Carvalho learns off him etc..
Probably the only time i can get away with callin someone "fatboy" in a social media flatform & not get arrested AGAIN. No offence mate... er.. sorry, i meant fatboy..
All due respect of course... fatboy
He's a cross between Carrick and Makelele. Certainly not anything like Pogba or Vidal, in terms of their ball control and ability to bring the ball forward.
Of all the cms we've been linked to, Pogba, Vidal, Strootman, Kroos etc, Carvalho is the only one who's game fits perfectly into that Makelele role. So if Van Gaal plans on using a holding midfielder he's probably the best option, with Carrick as back up. De Jong would be the other but he'd obviously just be a stop gap.
Of all the cms we've been linked to, Pogba, Vidal, Strootman, Kroos etc, Carvalho is the only one who's game fits perfectly into that Makelele role. So if Van Gaal plans on using a holding midfielder he's probably the best option, with Carrick as back up. De Jong would be the other but he'd obviously just be a stop gap.
Absolutely!
The Portuguese league is wasted on him - its too easy for him. He'd love the Prem - same as Vidal. He's a massively strong lad, with great composure on the ball. He plays it simple, but can play many types of dinky balls / passes / lay-offs & long range-passes. He's loves spreading the ball to develop the attack. Add to that, he seems to hate conceding goals. He hovers back on top of the CB's to make sure the ball doesnt end up in the net. He loves the battle & what better place than the Prem to develop that instinct.
He seems like an ideal team player to me, but that lad can friggin play also. Comfortable on both feet, rarely dives in ala Carrick, knows when & who to pass to at key moments & seems to love players competing with him for the ball - they just seem to bounce off him without him being overly agressive.
He's intelligent enough to know where he's gonna pass it off to next - before the ball even arrives to him. Doesnt give a shit on the pitch about being the star-man. He feeds the attack & defends the back 4 in equal measure & drives the team on.
He plays the game very simple & easy, that folk kinda harp on about the shitness of the Primeira Liga. He won 4 out of 9 Player of the Month Awards last season - thats him being a holding mid-fielder. He's much more than that & he's only 22 years old. Imagine him in another 2 years time - he could be the best around & the best around for the years to come too. He wont be on his own doing the donkey work - Herrera loves that element too. Add Vidal & Carrick into the mix - we'd could possibly have the best mid-field in Europe in 2 seasons time- if not sooner!
After all the years of us folk crying out for a proper center mid-field to compete with the best - especially after us gettin whooped by Barca twice, and then all of a sudden us gettin him & Vidal - we'll all be wondering what the f*ck is goin with United. It would be a complete state of shock i reckon. The newbies would have to pull us through it somehow. It might take a "Classic Thread" to snap us out of it.
This place will be like a friggin unexpected funeral folks. No-one will have the ability to type; speak - to phone in sick, or to your other halfs & family members; urinate in the bowl - but only in the bath (larger target), eat anything that doesnt require a straw - due to lock-jaw; and the creme de la creme - gettin a tatoo of this fella on yer back:
If Carvalho is actually worth 30-37mil it means that Herrera was an absolute bargain.
Hopefully the new Nicolas Gaitan, where we get linked with a big money move every window that never comes off.
I wouldn't pay that much for him. While he seems a good player potentially I don't think he'll reach world class standards.
My only issue is when we assess our first 11 replacing Carrick right now in this window for a player at this price makes little sense. Surely another season at Sporting to see if he comes on again wouldnt hurt before throwing money at potential alone. We need to replace rafael as much as we need to replace Carrick if only looking at next season. Both were garbage for most of last season.
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