Its like a run down property with potential. These days they are so sought after people end up paying a premium for them over the finished product. Same with talented young players. Draxler's valuation was another which priced out Arsenal. Carvalho I want but anything over 25m GBP is not justified on his showings thus far and your basically paying for what he might become!
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He's not worth the risk at 37 million, he screams another Anderson for me.
Go out and try and buy the best, we are Manchester United FFS
Go out and try and buy the best, we are Manchester United FFS
I´ll take your word on it mate. Joke aside mate, what´s your opinion on Ryan Gauld since you are scottish and he just joined us
Doubt it, Juve don't need or want to sell. He'd be £50m at least I reckon.
If he leaves he definitely will. There's no need for a sale and he's tied down to a long contract. It'll be release clause or no sale while Bruno de Carvalho's president.
We aren't in the Champions League so the way is to throw big money at top European talent that aren't fully established yet.
Sounds like a lot of info coming from the selling club. Perhaps they are keen to sell.
Can't see United paying the buy out fee to be honest but he could be one for the future.
Can't see United paying the buy out fee to be honest but he could be one for the future.
Rather than spending the £80m or so it would likely cost to get Vidal and Carvalho, might we not be better off targeting say Schneiderlin and Kroos, for potentially half the price.
Again with this. Why do you assume that the info has come from Sporting? The thing Sporting has said is that he´s not for sale and mention of the release clause. I repeat, these leaks are more likely coming from Jorge Mendes camp who probably looking for another big deal.
The only info coming from Sporting is the president saying "if someone wants him the club will have to pay the buyout clause". There's no rush or want to sell at all, it'll be Jorge Mendes' work if there's any other info coming out.
Anderson had too many injuries to be fair
Talented kid. Doubt he will go on to be a top player but you'll make a.profit on him. Quick and skilful.
True that. People didnt use to say he had Cesc and Gerrard in his pocket just because it was funny, he was a good player for us for a short while.
Thanks mate. I have to admit that i didn´t knew him at all but he getting alot of attention and expectations here in Portugal. Hope he comes good for us.
Bodes well for Scotland. You'll give him a good education and he'll learn how to play at a high level. I'll be interested to see how he develops
I´ll be posting in the Ryan Gauld football thread to tell you how he evolves. Our football structure was really interested in him i suppose. He´s been our most expensive purchase of the summer and he´s a 18 year old.
If this transfer goes thu, it would be the third new signing which was identified last season.
Have the feeling that this will be a Fellaini'esque signing.
Don't think there's anything wrong with that, to be far to moyes he was scouting some top players, problem was he just didn't prove he could manage them ,seems a far better scout, than he is a coach.
Re Carvalho we have obviously invested a huge amount of time, and effort on him, so if LvG thinks he's up to it then it makes sense to press on with it, but personally I think we want him for about £15-£20 million, and then still get another midfielder in, keep Carrick, and take offers on the rest of our 'old' midfielders.
I don't really get what the big deal is. It's not as if hundreds of new players have suddenly been introduced to the football world, and we're neglecting them all in favour of our old targets.
Nothing's changed:
Shaw's still a young prospect like he was last year, as is Carvalho.
And Herrera is still a very good midfielder.
The fact that Van Gaal's here doesn't mean they aren't worthy targets any more.
He's surely better than Fellaini? He can replace Marouane in the squad.
Yeah but that isn't enough, to be better than Fellaini at this moment is no hard task.
Never seen him play. If he's simply just a destroyer and not much more then that's far too much money.
Well it depends. Some would describe Makelele like that, but he was very important towards Real Madrid and Chelsea's success. He would easily be worth £40m+ at a similar age in todays market I should think.
I dunno I just don't love those kind of players all that much. The ones that just destroy and offer nothing else. Does nothing for me. I'm sure De Jong could do just as good a job if not better for around 1/5th of the price.
De jong = Makelele
Carvalho = Javi Martinez without the aerial proficieny, but better ball distribution
Carvalho has more in his repoirtoire than just being a destroyer.
Someone is seemingly saying "he's available for the buyout fee". That's obvious, United and any interested club will know that. They could state publicly that he's not for sale and they don't want to lose him at all - I may be wrong but I haven't seen that recently.
The fact is he will probably raise a lot of money, and it seems they have money problems. It's a fair leap to make.
Perhaps.
If they really didn't want to lose him you'd expect more than "you can have him but you'll have to pay £x".
Better ball distribution than Martinez??
Yea, his passing is one of his notable attribute
Looking at the history of reports linking United heavily with Garay and Gaitan, I wouldn't be so sure.
Not really. If someone pays the release clause there's nothing that can be done to stop him moving, you can't say much more than that to say he isn't for sale when there's a clause involved.
He is good on the ball but he's not better than Martinez in that aspect.
Why would you say that? I believe he has shown that he has as good or better passing ability then Martinez. Moreover, he is very composed when in possession aswell. The recent world cup matches showed how acute his passing can be, but if you watch him for sporting, you can tell he has good range in it aswell as precision.
Ah that changes everything in that case. The way everyone has been going on I thought he was just a destroyer and nothing else.
Yeah the Portuguese press always strike me as being particularly full of shite.
He has shown good passing ability but not better than Martinez I wouldn't say. Doesn't show the passing range Martinez does consitently. You're right about him being calm in possession though, very rarely loses the ball and is good with it at his feet. He's great at setting up counter attacks too after winning the ball back, played some nice passes through to wingers a fair bit to get them going. Think he'll thrive in a less tactically strict system and we might see more of his passing attributes and other things if he was here though. Jardim's tactics had an emphasis on a rigid midfield last season so aside from a few games he didn't really have the freedom to get about the pitch as much as he could which restricted him showing all his ability in terms of passing/attacking play. If given a more free role as opposed to last year I think he could improve and be an asset going forward too.
To be honest I'm not bothered if he's better than Martinez on the ball or not. Just the fact he's even comparable or a few notches below is much better than I thought he was.
He looks like he will be a good player but nowhere near the 37m that has been reported. I would honestly prefer if we sign someone like Chalobah who probably has the same level of potential for a much lower fee (5-6m?) and an older player for the short term like de jong.
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