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I really hope we have someone superior in mind if we won't give a frak about Carvalho.

The midfield really need some talents and constantly ignoring this department won't take us up in the table even with guy like Louis van Gaal.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
The way i see it Wibs, is that United know what we need more than anyone outside the club. Van Gaal probably hasnt seen us play much last season, so how can he expect us to endorse his "only list", when every man & his dog thats watched us lately, will know we need a major revamp.

A Carhalho type player is a must. Regardless of how shite folk say the Portuguese League is - that lad won player of the month 4 times in the season past. Thats something else & he's still a kid at 21.

Van Gaal has to deal with what we want - not the other way round. We're tryin to make up lost time following shite transfer windows & i can imagine that Giggs blew smoke up the arse of his mates like "Youngy" & "Clevz" etc. when he met him the other day.

Giggsy's team selections have been buddy selections & he should not be the advice on players in or out!
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I totally agree mate but its not happening now, that's how I think its going and I am gutted
 
pascell said:
How is Carvalho not suited to us? And why do our transfer targets have to be established players?
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Bingo!

Carvalho is the type of player Fergie sought after: young, extremely talented & could light up OT with his die-hard attitude!

He's a raw diamond in terms of box-box, but thats the type of CM players we need - all-rounders, but possess metal first & foremost. Our team has lost the last bitta metal we had left when Vida went to Inter!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Bingo!

Carvalho is the type of player Fergie sought after: young, extremely talented & could light up OT with his die-hard attitude!

He's a raw diamond in terms of box-box, but thats the type of CM players we need - all-rounders, but possess metal first & foremost. Our team has lost the last bitta metal we had left when Vida went to Inter!
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quite right I think we too many "fannys" in our team I would rather some involved that is prepared to give someone a right kickin , but that not right in nicey nicey football is it ?
 
Jaapster said:
I totally agree mate but its not happening now, that's how I think its going and I am gutted
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Hope you're wrong man, but if he goes there - they wont cause anyone problems in European competition anytime soon. I'd be more freaked out of he was off to Barca or Real to be honest.

Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread, but do you think Monaco hired Sportings Manager to ensure they got Carvalho?
 
Jaapster said:
quite right I think we too many "fannys" in our team I would rather some involved that is prepared to give someone a right kickin , but that not right in nicey nicey football is it ?
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Agreed man!

You dont need a boxer in your team though, but you feckin need fighters if you want to be successful. Look at Barca - not a hardman in sight, apart from Puyol of course (although a complete gentleman to boot - fair but hard), those lads fought like Tigers to get the ball back.

United are a bunch of wimps at the minute & thats one thing that Fergie must be seething about. Remember that time (in the post-match interview) after we beat Arsenal 4-2 at Highbury, when Fergie was asked about how much we wanted to win the game & the Keano / Viera verbal.. and he abruptly said "THERE'S NO WIMPS IN MY TEAM.."

Last season showed we've a team full of wimps!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
You're living in the past mate. All clubs bring in players they've spent months/years studying - regardless of the manager. Van Gaal hasnt even stepped forth at Carrington for Christ sake & if/when he does - it'll be mid-July before that happens. By then most of the top players will have been buttered up by our rivals managers. We cant wait til then & we know what we need more than Van gaal does more importantly. How would Van Gaal have more of a clue what we need than us anyway?

Van Gaal: "lets just wait til i get Holland outta the way & then i can come & have a look at the squad & the youth team.. then we can take it from there..."

United: "feck that shit. We've done our homework & these players are gonna get us back in the hunt for every trophy.. what other players do you have in mind & we'll consider them also..?"

The players we've been connected to are world-class players - so how the bloody hell would he not rate them? This is not Bayerns budget (especially not all those years ago when Van Gaal was there) - we're the top-end sporting orgainisation in the world & its about time we showed that in the transfer market right now.

Look what happened last season with Moyes. United had lined up Strootman, Thiago & Garay, but Moyes decided they werent good enough for the Prem, so he passed up on them. How different would last season have been with those 3 i ask ya?
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What a load of nonsense. Yeah, lets just bring a new manager in, but not give him any say on transfers, and foist the choices made by Moyes on him. What would be the point in that? We'd be as well just keeping Moyes in that case.

"Sorry Mr Van Gaal, we want you to manage us and that, but we're fecked if we're letting you choose who we sign. We value David Moyes eye for picking a player higher than yours. That's why we sacked him".
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Bingo!

Carvalho is the type of player Fergie sought after: young, extremely talented & could light up OT with his die-hard attitude!

He's a raw diamond in terms of box-box, but thats the type of CM players we need - all-rounders, but possess metal first & foremost. Our team has lost the last bitta metal we had left when Vida went to Inter!
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How many times have you watched him play? Genuinely.
 
TooBias said:
7 times 1 minute, I imagine, like most people in this thread.
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I don't get this. I won't lament us not signing this guy, because I've never watched him play a single game, and I question how often the people decrying this as a player missed seriously sit down to watch Sporting Lisbon play.
 
The Neviller said:
I don't get this. I won't lament us not signing this guy, because I've never watched him play a single game, and I question how often the people decrying this as a player missed seriously sit down to watch Sporting Lisbon play.
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Agreed.
 
The Neviller said:
What a load of nonsense. Yeah, lets just bring a new manager in, but not give him any say on transfers, and foist the choices made by Moyes on him. What would be the point in that? We'd be as well just keeping Moyes in that case.

"Sorry Mr Van Gaal, we want you to manage us and that, but we're fecked if we're letting you choose who we sign. We value David Moyes eye for picking a player higher than yours. That's why we sacked him".
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Again - you're true to form. I said we follow through with our top targets & consider what Van Gaal has in mind also. What does Van Gaal know about what we need? The club knows what we need & we cant take the risk of the Moyes situation where we had Thiago, Strootman & Garay all lined up to sign, only for him to say no. Dickhead!

Moyes reported targets are the best of the bunch - only a toolbag would disagree!

All the best clubs do their buttering before they sign a player anyway, regardless of the manager. We dont even have a manager for Christ sake, so the club needs to get on with it. Who signed Bale & Ronaldo also? Sure as hell it wasnt the manager!

If Van Gaal couldnt work with the top-class players we have in mind then he's not right for the job & the rumours he wants Robben as a priority is a feckin joke. That boat sailed many years ago. The likes of Reus is the player we should be goin for - not feckin Robben!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Again - you're true to form. I said we follow through with our top targets & consider what Van Gaal has in mind also. What does Van Gaal know about what we need? The club knows what we need & we cant take the risk of the Moyes situation where we had Thiago, Strootman & Garay all lined up to sign, only for him to say no. Dickhead!

Moyes reported targets are the best of the bunch - only a toolbag would disagree!

All the best clubs do their buttering before they sign a player anyway, regardless of the manager. We dont even have a manager for Christ sake, so the club needs to get on with it. Who signed Bale & Ronaldo also? Sure as hell it wasnt the manager!

If Van Gaal couldnt work with the top-class players we have in mind then he's not right for the job & the rumours he wants Robben as a priority is a feckin joke. That boat sailed many years ago. The likes of Reus is the player we should be goin for - not feckin Robben!
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This is all being discussed in the Carvalho thread. Top class names? He's played a handful of games in Portugal, a season in Belgium and a few games for Portugal. Without this thread half the people here wouldn't even have heard of him. And for all this, you're going off on one because Van Gaal might not sign him, so we should throw nearly £40mil at him and tell Van Gaal to deal with it.

Yep, I'm true to form.
 
pascell said:
How is Carvalho not suited to us? And why do our transfer targets have to be established players?
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Where did I say he was not suited to us? I said we should be chasing players better suited to us e.g. Vidal.
Where did I say all transfers must be established players? I said Van Gaal will attract better quality than Moyes would.
But if you wanna pretend I said something else then go ahead...
 
The Neviller said:
This is all being discussed in the Carvalho thread. Top class names? He's played a handful of games in Portugal, a season in Belgium and a few games for Portugal. Without this thread half the people here wouldn't even have heard of him. And for all this, you're going off on one because Van Gaal might not sign him, so we should throw nearly £40mil at him and tell Van Gaal to deal with it.

Yep, I'm true to form.
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The Neviller said:
Ah, you're an expert on him then. That changes everything!
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You've spent most of your time on here smacking folks hands. There's no discussion with you mate & i've never once seen a post from you to say that you were wrong either. Its a fans forum for Christ sake (anonymous) - no-one's right all the time, bar you in your own head it seems. Never reply back when you've been served is the way you roll too!

I agree with you about folk gettin a hard-on for a player if we're linked to him. But the simple fact of the matter is - most of us do our research on said player. We dont agree with the transfer fee or release clause etc. most of the time, but to be honest - we dont give a feck anymore. We havent spunked a pube of the dough we bring in as a club, so i'd love the club to spunk a shitload on the best up-coming & established talents about.

Carvalho wont go to most of the top clubs because maybe they already have players that fill that void / or have a team those possess all-round qualities & they wont spend that rediculous amount. Monaco can spend what they want it seems. The Royal Family & their political pull, will only enhance them building a football empire in billionaires paradise. I've been there (loved & hated it) & its frighteningly a powerful place. They dont have the fans, so to me its a no-brainer to stay clear as a player, but the good-life is what all these players want & it doesnt get any better than Monaco. I wouldnt have turned it down, just like John Collins didnt all those years ago - the lucky bastard!

Carvalho is only 21 & could massively fulfill his world-class potential. If he has a cracker WC - then everyones in for him & his fee is met + change maybe - esp to his agent, just like we fecked up with the Hazard deal (where Fergie wouldnt pay the £5m to his agent).

If we lose out once again - then we'll do the usual proclamation that we were never in for him in the first place blah blah blah..

Push the boat out for him, but get a shitload of other CM's in also. We've no CM squad at all. Carrick is the only one & he had a shocker season, but thats not totally his fault. He's played far too many games in the past few years & the responsibility has been on his to produce every game & thats not fair. He needs support & we need a whole new CM plan A & plan B this summer!
 
Jaysince91 said:
Where did I say he was not suited to us? I said we should be chasing players better suited to us e.g. Vidal.
Where did I say all transfers must be established players? I said Van Gaal will attract better quality than Moyes would.
But if you wanna pretend I said something else then go ahead...
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Sorry man, i think i jumped on that bandwagon also. Humble apologies to you on reflection of your response...

Seriously though - Vidal at United?

Will people start believing in God if that shit happens then? Cos i've been to mass twice in the last 3 years praying for it & i hate mass too. I'd do anything for the club, apart from selling me arse to fund the Red Knights of course!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
You've spent most of your time on here smacking folks hands. There's no discussion with you mate & i've never once seen a post from you to say that you were wrong either. Its a fans forum for Christ sake (anonymous) - no-one's right all the time, bar you in your own head it seems. Never reply back when you've been served is the way you roll too!

I agree with you about folk gettin a hard-on for a player if we're linked to him. But the simple fact of the matter is - most of us do our research on said player. We dont agree with the transfer fee or release clause etc. most of the time, but to be honest - we dont give a feck anymore. We havent spunked a pube of the dough we bring in as a club, so i'd love the club to spunk a shitload on the best up-coming & established talents about.

Carvalho wont go to most of the top clubs because maybe they already have players that fill that void / or have a team those possess all-round qualities & they wont spend that rediculous amount. Monaco can spend what they want it seems. The Royal Family & their political pull, will only enhance them building a football empire in billionaires paradise. I've been there (loved & hated it) & its frighteningly a powerful place. They dont have the fans, so to me its a no-brainer to stay clear as a player, but the good-life is what all these players want & it doesnt get any better than Monaco. I wouldnt have turned it down, just like John Collins didnt all those years ago - the lucky bastard!

Carvalho is only 21 & could massively fulfill his world-class potential. If he has a cracker WC - then everyones in for him & his fee is met + change maybe - esp to his agent, just like we fecked up with the Hazard deal (where Fergie wouldnt pay the £5m to his agent).

If we lose out once again - then we'll do the usual proclamation that we were never in for him in the first place blah blah blah..

Push the boat out for him, but get a shitload of other CM's in also. We've no CM squad at all. Carrick is the only one & he had a shocker season, but thats not totally his fault. He's played far too many games in the past few years & the responsibility has been on his to produce every game & thats not fair. He needs support & we need a whole new CM plan A & plan B this summer!
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I know nothing about Carvalho because I've never seen him play. I readily admit that.

Going off on one because Van Gaal might not sign him, and suggesting that we just buy him anyway, whether he wants him or not, and telling him to deal with it, purely because Moyes liked him and we might have been scouting him for a while and working on a deal is absolute madness.

Go look what happened to Riquelme under Van Gaal at Barca. If he doesn't fancy him he won't use him. It'll be money wasted, simple as that.

Our targets should be run past Van Gaal, and we should only try and sign the one's he wants. We shouldn't be foisting David Moyes transfer targets on him against his well. Give him the list, sure. Let him decide who he wants from it. Pushing almost £40mil players who he doesn't want into his squad is a ridiculous idea.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to get all personal, in fairness.
 
Also, you've suggested here that we should go with the players Moyes has picked, whilst simultaneously criticising Moyes for not being able to see that the players we had lined up under Fergie were good enough. So you trust Moyes eye for a player this summer, yet criticise his inability to see a good player last summer.

How do those sides align?
 
The Neviller said:
Also, you've suggested here that we should go with the players Moyes has picked, whilst simultaneously criticising Moyes for not being able to see that the players we had lined up under Fergie were good enough. So you trust Moyes eye for a player this summer, yet criticise his inability to see a good player last summer.

How do those sides align?
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Pretty simple really - he realised he fecked up & when aligned with Ed's full of cum behaviour during the summer chasing lost causes & not copping onto it, they both got their acts together for this summer. Mata was a great signing & showed the direction they both were heading to.

Sadly, Moyes would never have got the best out of any world-class players coming in. He'd no experience of handling them. If the training is shit & depressing - it shows on matchday!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Pretty simple really - he realised he fecked up & when aligned with Ed's full of cum behaviour during the summer chasing lost causes & not copping onto it, they both got their acts together for this summer. Mata was a great signing & showed the direction they both were heading to.

Sadly, Moyes would never have got the best out of any world-class players coming in. He'd no experience of handling them. If the training is shit & depressing - it shows on matchday!
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What's to say we wouldnt have been chasing our tails this summer too, with Kroos and Reus and whatnot?

It just makes no sense to me to criticise Moyes ability in the transfer market on one hand, and on the other suggest we just sign his targets and tell Van Gaal to play them.
 
The Neviller said:
I know nothing about Carvalho because I've never seen him play. I readily admit that.

Going off on one because Van Gaal might not sign him, and suggesting that we just buy him anyway, whether he wants him or not, and telling him to deal with it, purely because Moyes liked him and we might have been scouting him for a while and working on a deal is absolute madness.

Go look what happened to Riquelme under Van Gaal at Barca. If he doesn't fancy him he won't use him. It'll be money wasted, simple as that.

Our targets should be run past Van Gaal, and we should only try and sign the one's he wants. We shouldn't be foisting David Moyes transfer targets on him against his well. Give him the list, sure. Let him decide who he wants from it. Pushing almost £40mil players who he doesn't want into his squad is a ridiculous idea.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to get all personal, in fairness.
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Carvalho is one of the hottest prospects in European football. Just because you havent seen him play means feck all - thats your problem!

To say i'm goin off on one is a bit rich to be honest. We all have our opinions. My opinion is, we shouldnt scratch all the homework we've done on top-class players just because LVG wants to bring only dutch players in (like he did at Barca - same as Cruyff) or players that he takes credit for their rise to stardom.

LVG's list. Whats that actually based on - players he wants or players we need? What does he know about what players we need? United know a helluva lot more about the situation than he would for Christ sake!

Apparantly he wants to bring in Robben :devil: He can go feck himself if he thinks United fans or United FC are gonna be comfortable about that. He's nearly 31 years old ffs, he wants £150k per wk, he's a diving prick & was born injured too. Not to mention he backed out of coming to us because of money..

If you believe the press, you'll have heard we've already given LVG a list of players we want & he's ok'd one or two, but wants to bring his own players too. My problem with that is, what the feck does he know what we need to truly get back on track, considering he probably hasnt seen us play much last season or even the season before etc etc..

Moral of the story is: LVG cant double-job during the WC - the Dutch wont allow it & its a disgrace to the Dutch if he tried to. If he gets the job - he does it under the premise of what we want in this transfer window & then after that - its all his. Its feckin suicide to allow a new manager to scrap all the best laid plans for a Dutch football promotion exercise..
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Carvalho is one of the hottest prospects in European football. Just because you havent seen him play means feck all - thats your problem!

To say i'm goin off on one is a bit rich to be honest. We all have our opinions. My opinion is, we shouldnt scratch all the homework we've done on top-class players just because LVG wants to bring only dutch players in (like he did at Barca - same as Cruyff) or players that he takes credit for their rise to stardom.

LVG's list. Whats that actually based on - players he wants or players we need? What does he know about what players we need? United know a helluva lot more about the situation than he would for Christ sake!

Apparantly he wants to bring in Robben :devil: He can go feck himself if he thinks United fans or United FC are gonna be comfortable about that. He's nearly 31 years old ffs, he wants £150k per wk, he's a diving prick & was born injured too. Not to mention he backed out of coming to us because of money..

If you believe the press, you'll have heard we've already given LVG a list of players we want & he's ok'd one or two, but wants to bring his own players too. My problem with that is, what the feck does he know what we need to truly get back on track, considering he probably hasnt seen us play much last season or even the season before etc etc..

Moral of the story is: LVG cant double-job during the WC - the Dutch wont allow it & its a disgrace to the Dutch if he tried to. If he gets the job - he does it under the premise of what we want in this transfer window & then after that - its all his. Its feckin suicide to allow a new manager to scrap all the best laid plans for a Dutch football promotion exercise..
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So you'd rather trust Moyes to know what players we need? Or Woodward? What's the point in getting rid of Moyes and bringing Van Gaal then? If Moyes knew what we needed and was able to get it done then we should have just stuck with him, right?

But then, he was shite in the transfer market last summer, so that makes no sense either.

By all means give Van Gaal a list of players we've been working on who we might be able to sign, but then he has to be given the final say on whether he wants those players or not. What if he doesn't rate Carvalho? He won't play him. What then? Who picks the team then? Woodward? Fergie? Moyes? Will we just have Moyes and Woodward pick the players we sign and choose our starting team and get Van Gaal to train them?

Surely you see my point here, in that you can't just buy players that our new manager doesnt want, simply because Moyes and Woodward have done some work on it. If he doesnt want them he won't play them, and he picks the team. Spending almost £40mil on Carvalho is a stupid idea, if Van Gaal doesn't fancy him. I genuinely hope those running the club aren't thinking along the lines of "We'll just buy whoever Moyes wanted because we've worked on them, Van Gaal will just have to play who we buy him". Because he won't.

Also, how do you know it's a "Dutch football promotion". We've no clue who Van Gaal might want to sign. He was always going to be linked with Dutch players, because that what the press do. Just like Wenger only buys French players, apart from when he buys players that aren't French.
 
The Neviller said:
What's to say we wouldnt have been chasing our tails this summer too, with Kroos and Reus and whatnot?

It just makes no sense to me to criticise Moyes ability in the transfer market on one hand, and on the other suggest we just sign his targets and tell Van Gaal to play them.
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Totally agree. We could be chasing our tails, but we wont let it drag out like we did in the summer i'd imagine. Moyes & Ed had feck all time together to discuss plan A, B, C targets before they buggered off on the global MUFC Franchise Promotion Tour. Ed will be sacked if he fecks up this time round & i cant see him doing that to be honest... but i wouldnt hold my breathe either though!

Moyes seemed to have great taste in players he wanted to come in after the Summer transfer window shut. I totally dig his targets & he laid the groundwork for us to try & push through these deals. Some of the players we were reportedly lookin at are world/top-class players: Kroos, Vidal/Pogba, Carvalho, Reus, Shaw, Cavani, Moura, Griezmann to name but a few we've watched since Autumn 2013. So whats not to like man?

I respect Moyes for his potential shoppin ideas - none of us had any confidence he could pull it off though & not even that, if he could make them better players - not degress them!
 
The Neviller said:
So you'd rather trust Moyes to know what players we need? Or Woodward? What's the point in getting rid of Moyes and bringing Van Gaal then? If Moyes knew what we needed and was able to get it done then we should have just stuck with him, right?

But then, he was shite in the transfer market last summer, so that makes no sense either.

By all means give Van Gaal a list of players we've been working on who we might be able to sign, but then he has to be given the final say on whether he wants those players or not. What if he doesn't rate Carvalho? He won't play him. What then? Who picks the team then? Woodward? Fergie? Moyes? Will we just have Moyes and Woodward pick the players we sign and choose our starting team and get Van Gaal to train them?

Surely you see my point here, in that you can't just buy players that our new manager doesnt want, simply because Moyes and Woodward have done some work on it. If he doesnt want them he won't play them, and he picks the team. Spending almost £40mil on Carvalho is a stupid idea, if Van Gaal doesn't fancy him. I genuinely hope those running the club aren't thinking along the lines of "We'll just buy whoever Moyes wanted because we've worked on them, Van Gaal will just have to play who we buy him". Because he won't.

Also, how do you know it's a "Dutch football promotion". We've no clue who Van Gaal might want to sign. He was always going to be linked with Dutch players, because that what the press do. Just like Wenger only buys French players, apart from when he buys players that aren't French.
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....but are French speakers from French colonies :lol:
 
Red Hand Devil said:
....but are French speakers from French colonies :lol:
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His starting team today had as many Germans as Frenchmen. That's my point, the press just assume he only ever buys Frenchmen, much like they've automatically assumed Van Gaal will buy Dutch players.

You might have commented on the rest of my post! :lol:
 
Nev. I was against the whole LVG to United from day one because he wouldnt be in the job til mid-July & i didnt like him either. To me it reaked of desperation from us because everyone turned us down - Klopp, Ancelotti, Pep, Redknapp, Sounesss, Staunton etc..

We needed a manager to get stuck in asap after Moyes was sacked. Then when it was mooted that LVG was top of the list, i got to terms with that - only with the notion United wouldnt hang around or accept anything less than world-class players coming in & as many as we can before the WC.

Last summer was a shambles - you know that, it drove us all mental for the whole season if we're honest about it?! United have got to act like they're still top dogs & go & get top players - not gettin fannied about from a bloke who most-likely hasnt a clue about our current situation of players needed in & players needed out.

Strootman could be another Hargreaves for starters - but a helluva lot more expensive. Robben is depreciating at 31 & is still a diving prick. I dont trust LVG's judgement on gambling on players he's a soft spot for, whereas we've spent time & effort on our summer targets already & they're all feckin world-class or on the cuff of world-class too..

United shouldnt be standin still, nor be dictated to by someone who doesnt truly understand the season we just had. He has a list - thats great, but we have a list also & we're not feckin amateurs. Of course there needs to be a compromise, but from my point of view - if LVG really wants the job, then he has to play by our rules - not his. He wont be in the job til mid-July officially, so he has to acknowledge that the club needs to get its house in order & if the players he's suggested gets a "you what?" response - then he has to accept it.

United are seeking the top enchelon of players to win the lot next season & the seasons after.. LVG needs all the help he can get & United know what they are doing & are targettin the best players in a one-off spending spree like never before. If we hold back & just run with LVG's list & its second-tier to what we have, then its gonna be another season of mediocrity.
 
The Neviller said:
His starting team today had as many Germans as Frenchmen. That's my point, the press just assume he only ever buys Frenchmen, much like they've automatically assumed Van Gaal will buy Dutch players.

You might have commented on the rest of my post! :lol:
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I just did man. Great post yours was ;)

Sorry if i got personal earlier too by the way :angel:
 
Do you think Van Gaal doesn't know football? It's a massive assumption on your part that the players Van Gaal wants won't be as good as those Moyes had earmarked. And the whole point with Van Gaal is that he likes players who work in his system.

It genuinely astounds me that you can't see the futility in handing him players he doesn't want. He won't play them and they'll be money wasted. He didn't want Riquelme at Barca and was quick to feck him out. Paying what it would cost to sign Carvalho if he isn't a player Van Gaal rates, wants or who he feels fits his chosen system is nothing short of insanity.
 
The Neviller said:
Do you think Van Gaal doesn't know football? It's a massive assumption on your part that the players Van Gaal wants won't be as good as those Moyes had earmarked. And the whole point with Van Gaal is that he likes players who work in his system.

It genuinely astounds me that you can't see the futility in handing him players he doesn't want. He won't play them and they'll be money wasted. He didn't want Riquelme at Barca and was quick to feck him out. Paying what it would cost to sign Carvalho if he isn't a player Van Gaal rates, wants or who he feels fits his chosen system is nothing short of insanity.
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Oh i dig your point man & we probably wont agree on mine. But if someone could just feed him massive doses of brown acid (ala the bad shit at Woodstock) for the duration of the world cup & let on the players we sneaked in during that period were here already. Jobs a goodun i say!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Oh i dig your point man & we probably wont agree on mine. But if someone could just feed him massive doses of brown acid (ala the bad shit at Woodstock) for the duration of the world cup & let on the players we sneaked in during that period were here already. Jobs a goodun i say!
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That sounds like a plan. Perhaps if we all take some we can forget last season happened and we go into this season as reigning Premier League champions.

I do get your point to an extent, and our manager being involved at the world cup certainly isn't an ideal scenario, but by the same token he has to be allowed to sign his own players and not be given players he doesn't want. It'd only end up an even bigger and more expensive clusterfeck.
 
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Nev. I was against the whole LVG to United from day one because he wouldnt be in the job til mid-July & i didnt like him either. To me it reaked of desperation from us because everyone turned us down - Klopp, Ancelotti, Pep, Redknapp, Sounesss, Staunton etc..

We needed a manager to get stuck in asap after Moyes was sacked. Then when it was mooted that LVG was top of the list, i got to terms with that - only with the notion United wouldnt hang around or accept anything less than world-class players coming in & as many as we can before the WC.

Last summer was a shambles - you know that, it drove us all mental for the whole season if we're honest about it?! United have got to act like they're still top dogs & go & get top players - not gettin fannied about from a bloke who most-likely hasnt a clue about our current situation of players needed in & players needed out.

Strootman could be another Hargreaves for starters - but a helluva lot more expensive. Robben is depreciating at 31 & is still a diving prick. I dont trust LVG's judgement on gambling on players he's a soft spot for, whereas we've spent time & effort on our summer targets already & they're all feckin world-class or on the cuff of world-class too..

United shouldnt be standin still, nor be dictated to by someone who doesnt truly understand the season we just had. He has a list - thats great, but we have a list also & we're not feckin amateurs. Of course there needs to be a compromise, but from my point of view - if LVG really wants the job, then he has to play by our rules - not his. He wont be in the job til mid-July officially, so he has to acknowledge that the club needs to get its house in order & if the players he's suggested gets a "you what?" response - then he has to accept it.

United are seeking the top enchelon of players to win the lot next season & the seasons after.. LVG needs all the help he can get & United know what they are doing & are targettin the best players in a one-off spending spree like never before. If we hold back & just run with LVG's list & its second-tier to what we have, then its gonna be another season of mediocrity.
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I agree that we shouldn't be sitting around in the market but by all accounts we're not. Woody is doing his utmost to make things happen early.

Truth is though, we're just guessing on who Moyes wanted and who LVG wants. The press are always going to make up the Robben link and stuff like that so it's futile to judge LVG on those rumours.

Fact is, we have to back the manager with the players he wants otherwise what's the point in appointing him really? He's proven in the past that he doesn't mind fecking off big signings if they are made behind his back. I'm much happier to trust LVG on signings than I was with Moyes, who spent all summer fannying around and paid a shit load on Fellaini.
 
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