William Carvalho

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I was expecting that. My speculation that he was a Moyes target seems accurate. I hope he stays with us another year and proves himself in the Champions league after playing in the World cup. Now that we are about to lose our manager to Mónaco, we need some stability on the team. Mónaco can feck off, specially after collaborating with Porto´s Moutinho´s antics and "stealing" our manager. It´s 45 million euros for them, take it or leave it :smirk:
 
Baffles me that a top young player would go to Monaco. Their average attendance is comparable with Luton in the conference. I understand players making a move like that at the end of their careers but it's sad when players chose money above all else.
 
Good option under Moyes but I believe Van Gaal will attract more established players that are better suited to us
 
Good option under Moyes but I believe Van Gaal will attract more established players that are better suited to us
That may be the case why's so quiet about him but I really won't complain if we'll collect a talented, strong, bossing figure in midfield with better years still ahead of him.

As a tactical midfielder he seems to be calmer than Fellaini and I feel he has tendency to make his tackles more accurately.
 
Dissappointed that we may not get him as I was a big fan of his. Rethinking our current scenario, this may give the likes of Ben Pearson and Charni Ekangamene an opportunity at first team football. Beit, I may have to suffer few years of Carrick or Fellaini being more than subsidary players in our squad....However, with a top notch partner alongside those players, this may improve their performance next term.
 
Baffles me that a top young player would go to Monaco. Their average attendance is comparable with Luton in the conference. I understand players making a move like that at the end of their careers but it's sad when players chose money above all else.

Things are sometimes a little more complicated than that. It's not only the player's choice, but the selling club as well. Unless the release clause is met, both parties will have to be in agreement in relation to the club to which the transfer will happen. For example, during all his time here, Hulk raved about how he dreamed of playing in the Premiership. But no Premiership club offered (or would even come close to) the 60m that Zenit did, so his choice in the end was Zenit or Porto, the later most likely against the club's wishes and prone to make him feel unwelcome and some sort of financial problem at a club that needs to sell to keep the books balanced. Being a fan of the dude, I'm pretty much certain that his demeanor at the airport, when leaving for Zenit, wasn't the one of a happy man, but of a disappointed one. Of course, out of respect for his new club he had to keep the outward smile for appearances. Anyone who doesn't know this probably just labels him as another money-grabing thick dude that chose the Russian money instead of the chance at playing in a more competitive league.

I think players are slowly catching up to this. Jackson Martinez has so far cleverly rejected any renewal proposal that implies an astronomical release clause (which is already too high for a player of his caliber), in order to keep some bargaining power on his side during a future transfer.

Analogously, if Monaco is offering 35m to Sporting and they are sure the 2nd best offer (say, from a traditionally big club) won't surpass 25m or so, Sporting will do everything to push Carvalho towards Monaco.

And then, money isn't irrelevant in any one's life, let alone in the life of a player who's pursuing a challenging career that can go either way. We don't really know for certain what's the difference in hypothetical payouts. Would Moutinho preefer to be paid 8m/year at Monaco or 6m/year at United? Perhaps the later, but if the decision was between 8m and 2m it's a whole new ball game. In the case of Carvalho, and with the self-confidence that professional athletes necessarily have, I'm sure, if this came to happen, that he would be looking at Monaco like a stop-gap, confident that he can be playing for United, Real Madrid, or the likes, some 2 or 3 years down the line.

Then you have manipulative agents in which these players trust but that in reality will press them into the choice that will make their own pockets fatter instead of the one most likely to payout for the player (at all levels, monetary and competitive) in the long-run.
 
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Dissappointed that we may not get him as I was a big fan of his. Rethinking our current scenario, this may give the likes of Ben Pearson and Charni Ekangamene an opportunity at first team football. Beit, I may have to suffer few years of Carrick or Fellaini being more than subsidary players in our squad....However, with a top notch partner alongside those players, this may improve their performance next term.
Not under Van Gaal. He won't accept underperforming if he'll spot the same shit, we witnessed under Moyesy. He'll get reports from Reckers, Giggs and even Sir Alex to choose about 16 men squad that will be used constantly to bring consistency and most of all chemistry - the thing totally lacking under Moyes who was undecided in which way to go with the optimal squad choices.

Like you said, he'll rather tell Giggs to dig out the most talented midfielder from Reserves/U21 and use his European connections to bring some modern midfielder with mobility.

LVG operates on the way bigger scale than Moyes when it comes to team's depth and at the same time, he's strict in choosing the optimal squad.

To put it in a shorter way - expect a way different standards. If Carvalho will be included in that plan I'll be happy too. Players are being released and that thing will continue even through next two years. Plenty of room for additions.
 
Things are sometimes a little more complicated than that. It's not only the player's choice, but the selling club as well. Unless the release clause is met, both parties will have to be in agreement in relation to the club to which the transfer will happen. For example, during all his time here, Hulk raved about how he dreamed of playing in the Premiership. But no Premiership club offered (or would even come close to) the 60m that Zenit did, so his choice in the end was Zenit or Porto, the later most likely against the club's wishes and prone to make him feel unwelcome and some sort of financial problem at a club that needs to sell to keep the books balanced. Being a fan of the dude, I'm pretty much certain that his demeanor at the airport, when leaving for Zenit, wasn't the one of a happy man, but of a disappointed one. Of course, out of respect for his new club he had to keep the outward smile for appearances. Anyone who doesn't know this probably just labels him as another money-grabing thick dude that chose the Russian money instead of the chance at playing in a more competitive league.

I think players are slowly catching up to this. Jackson Martinez has so far cleverly rejected any renewal proposal that implies an astronomical release clause (which is already too high for a player of his caliber), in order to keep some bargaining power on his side during a future transfer.

Analogously, if Monaco is offering 35m to Sporting and they are sure the 2nd best offer (say, from a traditionally big club) won't surpass 25m or so, Sporting will do everything to push Carvalho towards Monaco.

And then, money isn't irrelevant in any one's life, let alone in the life of a player who's pursuing a challenging career that can go either way. We don't really know for certain what's the difference in hypothetical payouts. Would Moutinho preefer to be paid 8m/year at Monaco or 6m/year at United? Perhaps the later, but if the decision was between 8m and 2m it's a whole new ball game. In the case of Carvalho, and with the self-confidence that professional athletes necessarily have, I'm sure, if this came to happen, that he would be looking at Monaco like a stop-gap, confident that he can be playing for United, Real Madrid, or the likes, some 2 or 3 years down the line.

Then you have manipulative agents in which these players trust but that in reality will press them into the choice that will make their own pockets fatter instead of the one most likely to payout for the player (at all levels, monetary and competitive) in the long-run.
Great points all round, to be fair.

I was looking at it a bit naively, but I just find it all a bit sad to be honest. Completely agree regarding Hulk, especially when he moved in the knowledge that his new fans didn't want him because of his race. I look at the likes of Monaco and it's sad that top players like Falcao, Moutinho and Rodriguez are likely to be playing out their peak years in front of less than 10 thousand fans when they'd be absolutely idolised by hundreds of thousands elsewhere.
 
He seemed to be the first option in Moyes' wishlist (god it is painful writing his name in this forum), but you don't hear anything about LVG wanting him. That interest seems to have switched to the likes of Kroos and Strootman, which is by no means a bad thing. Carvalho may still be the C of LVG's ABC wishlist though, unless someone like Fabregas is there.

He's never played for Van Gaal. Of course he doesn't want him! Probably never heard of the guy.
 
Be disappointed if we have cooled our interest in him.Exactly what we need.
 
He's never played for Van Gaal. Of course he doesn't want him! Probably never heard of the guy.
By that reasoning the only manager that might be interested in Carvalho is Monaco's new coach.
 
It's a joke. Van Gaal seems to be only targeting Bayern players that played for him and Dutch players.
Didn't know that, though I had a hunch you weren't being totally serious. Gotta trust my intuition a bit more.
 
It's a joke. Van Gaal seems to be only targeting Bayern players that played for him and Dutch players.
As well as fabregas, shaw and reus if we're using those papers as a basis for who he's interested in?
 
According to the papers we're chasing 'club targets' and 'Van Gaal targets'. We've been chasing them for months according to the papers but it seems we've now dropped interest in Reus for Robben.
Our interest in Reus has dropped because he's obviously not moving while the interest in Robben has been in all of one paper. At least someone who has managed Bayern and Holland within the last five years will have the inside track on really good players rather than Baines and Fellaini.
 
Every time I see a Monaco story on some website, the accompanying photo is of one of their players and in the background there is a lot of empty yellow seats. It's so sad that talented players end up there.

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Every time I see a Monaco story on some website, the accompanying photo is of one of their players and in the background there is a lot of empty yellow seats. It's so sad that talented players end up there.

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Isn't their attendance in the 4 figured numbers? That's quite ridiculous.
 
Yeah, the stadium fits 18,000 but I doubt that the average attendance would be over 10,000.

They were 2nd lowest in the league this season, averaging less than 9k. Only Ajaccio, from Corsica got lower than that.
 
It's a joke. Van Gaal seems to be only targeting Bayern players that played for him and Dutch players.

Vg is not naive like moyes was. If he doesn't win then he will be on his way out. Hence why he needs people who fits in his (rather complex) system ASAP
 
We have no idea who VG is targeting. All we have is paper speculation.
 
The way i see it Wibs, is that United know what we need more than anyone outside the club. Van Gaal probably hasnt seen us play much last season, so how can he expect us to endorse his "only list", when every man & his dog thats watched us lately, will know we need a major revamp.

A Carhalho type player is a must. Regardless of how shite folk say the Portuguese League is - that lad won player of the month 4 times in the season past. Thats something else & he's still a kid at 21.

Van Gaal has to deal with what we want - not the other way round. We're tryin to make up lost time following shite transfer windows & i can imagine that Giggs blew smoke up the arse of his mates like "Youngy" & "Clevz" etc. when he met him the other day.

Giggsy's team selections have been buddy selections & he should not be the advice on players in or out!
 
The way i see it Wibs, is that United know what we need more than anyone outside the club. Van Gaal probably hasnt seen us play much last season, so how can he expect us to endorse his "only list", when every man & his dog thats watched us lately, will know we need a major revamp.

A Carhalho type player is a must. Regardless of how shite folk say the Portuguese League is - that lad won player of the month 4 times in the season past. Thats something else & he's still a kid at 21.

Van Gaal has to deal with what we want - not the other way round. We're tryin to make up lost time following shite transfer windows & i can imagine that Giggs blew smoke up the arse of his mates like "Youngy" & "Clevz" etc. when he met him the other day.

Giggsy's team selections have been buddy selections & he should not be the advice on players in or out!

When Bayern bought players LVG didn't rate he refused to play them. If you want the club to be able to dictate transfer policy to the manager then you really don't want LVG, I think.
 
When Bayern bought players LVG didn't rate he refused to play them. If you want the club to be able to dictate transfer policy to the manager then you really don't want LVG, I think.

You're living in the past mate. All clubs bring in players they've spent months/years studying - regardless of the manager. Van Gaal hasnt even stepped forth at Carrington for Christ sake & if/when he does - it'll be mid-July before that happens. By then most of the top players will have been buttered up by our rivals managers. We cant wait til then & we know what we need more than Van gaal does more importantly. How would Van Gaal have more of a clue what we need than us anyway?

Van Gaal: "lets just wait til i get Holland outta the way & then i can come & have a look at the squad & the youth team.. then we can take it from there..."

United: "feck that shit. We've done our homework & these players are gonna get us back in the hunt for every trophy.. what other players do you have in mind & we'll consider them also..?"

The players we've been connected to are world-class players - so how the bloody hell would he not rate them? This is not Bayerns budget (especially not all those years ago when Van Gaal was there) - we're the top-end sporting orgainisation in the world & its about time we showed that in the transfer market right now.

Look what happened last season with Moyes. United had lined up Strootman, Thiago & Garay, but Moyes decided they werent good enough for the Prem, so he passed up on them. How different would last season have been with those 3 i ask ya?
 
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