@ Barney and Nev a match made in heaven. Its adorable.William Carvalho
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@ Barney and Nev a match made in heaven. Its adorable.I've already started my dose last week - its not working man. Probably gonna have to up the dosage to Hendrix level 6!
If United think his listed players ala Robben etc, are not the required standard we need - short-term or long-term, then we have to say feck that shit. He's workin for us - not the other way round. He cant just dander in & say his list is the end all & be all before he takes the job. Of course we have to trust him, but i trust United to know what we need better than a blow-in who hasnt a clue about what we need - he cant possibly know that.
How much would LVG know about the best players around that United wouldnt? We're a global organisation with a global team of scouts & reps. He wouldnt have any info on players other than those he knows. Thats why, in my opinion, he's only goin for players he knows - its like Moyes goin for Baines & Fellaini all over again..
I'd rather we got the creme de la creme of players & tell LVG to make us champions, than LVG bringing in players that arent gonna get us outta the shit that we're in. It could all go tits up again if we completely trust LVG to have free-reign to bring his own players in without us sayin "no chance" if we didnt agree. Its not his money & its not his club. He could have a feckin mare like Moyes had & leave us in the shit.
Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me...
Moyes was renowned at Everton for his cautious approach. Any target would be obsessively scouted to make sure he fits his system. He wouldn't apply any changes unless he's 100% sure about them. Also United's approach came to a surprise for him and he had no plans for it.
VG has been around for ages and he's no stranger to signing with big clubs and fit in immediately.. He's been saying that he wanted to manage an EPL side for a year which means that he would have kept an eye at those clubs who were at his level and could offer him the job (Arsenal, Spurs and us). Not to forget that he can easily rely on RVP's feedback if necessary.
Many also underrate VG extensive knowledge about football specifically the Bundersliga, Liga and Dutch football. The man knows exactly the type of talent there is out there and which players would fit into his system.
I don't need he would have problems identifying our weaknesses and the players he need to get them.
VG has been around for ages and he's no stranger to signing with big clubs and fit in immediately.. He's been saying that he wanted to manage an EPL side for a year which means that he would have kept an eye at those clubs who were at his level and could offer him the job (Arsenal, Spurs and us). Not to forget that he can easily rely on RVP's feedback if necessary.
Many also underrate VG extensive knowledge about football specifically the Bundersliga, Liga and Dutch football. The man knows exactly the type of talent there is out there and which players would fit into his system.
I don't need he would have problems identifying our weaknesses and the players he need to get them.
Great point and it can't be stressed enough. Any manager with a consistent system or philosophy will have a very clear idea on exactly which players he'd ideally have or which talents and cheap players there are for his system.
Managers like Guardiola/LVG would have done extensive scouting on their targets regardless of having a club or not as their system/philosophy is always the same. So whatever club they end up at, they would want the same young talents or cheap players in for the team.
I wouldn't put Guardiola in VG's position
VG has been managing in 3 different countries with clubs with a different culture and targets such as AZ, Barcelona, Ajax, Holland and Bayern Munich. He knows that every manager is on borrowed time and has learnt how to adapt as quickly as possible so he can bring the results needed to justify his place at that club. Moyes fell at the trap of being at a club who saw him as 'long term' and would be 'very patient' with him as he 'learnt the trade'. Such false believes fueled his cautious approach that lead him to extensively scout everyone (ours and other targets) before making decisions on what he needs to change and how to do it. Believe me, VG is not that stupid.
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The fact is that it only takes a couple of videos to have an idea of what we need, our problems are that clear . He has known that the job is his for close to a month and you can bet that a serious football man like him now has a concrete vision of how he will go about things . He is experienced, connected and he works to a set tactical approach so I'd imagine that picking players to suit his MO won't present such a big challenge to him .Carvalho is one of the hottest prospects in European football. Just because you havent seen him play means feck all - thats your problem!
To say i'm goin off on one is a bit rich to be honest. We all have our opinions. My opinion is, we shouldnt scratch all the homework we've done on top-class players just because LVG wants to bring only dutch players in (like he did at Barca - same as Cruyff) or players that he takes credit for their rise to stardom.
LVG's list. Whats that actually based on - players he wants or players we need? What does he know about what players we need? United know a helluva lot more about the situation than he would for Christ sake!
Apparantly he wants to bring in RobbenHe can go feck himself if he thinks United fans or United FC are gonna be comfortable about that. He's nearly 31 years old ffs, he wants £150k per wk, he's a diving prick & was born injured too. Not to mention he backed out of coming to us because of money..
If you believe the press, you'll have heard we've already given LVG a list of players we want & he's ok'd one or two, but wants to bring his own players too. My problem with that is, what the feck does he know what we need to truly get back on track, considering he probably hasnt seen us play much last season or even the season before etc etc..
Moral of the story is: LVG cant double-job during the WC - the Dutch wont allow it & its a disgrace to the Dutch if he tried to. If he gets the job - he does it under the premise of what we want in this transfer window & then after that - its all his. Its feckin suicide to allow a new manager to scrap all the best laid plans for a Dutch football promotion exercise..
Another issue is that forty million for Carvalho didn't make much financial sense for a club who would still have three or four positions to fill . Forty million on the back of one season in the Portuguese league does not make football sense either .
LVG has a villa in Portugal. Thats where he was on his vacation until a few days ago. I'm sure he has heard about Carvalho. He's my muppet dream this summer, but if we don't get him I'll have to trust Van Gaal's judgment.
You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
If we're not in for him then it suggests Van Gaal knows what he wants, and the players he needs. Which is encouraging following the bumbling shambles that was the Moyes reign. Fergie was the same- always thinking 6 steps ahead. Maybe it won't work out, maybe it will. But at least we seem to be operating with purpose and direction now.
He'll go to Monaco with Jardim, you can put money on it.
Sporting are planning to sign a contract extension with William and are going to double his wages that is the latest news coming from Portuguese newspaper O Jogo
The same will apply to Monaco tho if that does happen .....either they pay the buyout clause or William is staying in Sporting
Would be disappointing for us but I'm happy for Sporting.
I think William would do well staying in Sporting one more year and helping us have a good league season and show his quality in the CL i think it would be good for his career
If Carvalho goes to Monaco I hope we go hard for Kondogbia. He's got incredible potential to just dominate as a 6, covering for someone like Kroos, Xavi, Pogba, Pjanic, Vidal, Gundogan, Rakitic, Marchisio or Kovacic as the CM with a bit more license to press and look to get into offensive positions.
Lots of exciting 8's, not a ton of 6's, to me.
So to get back on topic, who do the people who've seen Carvalho think he'd be best paired or trio-ed with?
Lots of exciting 8's, not a ton of 6's, to me.
So to get back on topic, who do the people who've seen Carvalho think he'd be best paired or trio-ed with?
Imo he'd need a creative player next to him as he's a bit raw when it comes to attacking. He's the one that will break up play and retain the ball for us. If we had Carvalho with Kroos/Fabregas then that'd be a solid CM partnership.
They'll have absolutely no problem paying the release clause, they did it for James last year.
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To keep it with players United are linked with I think he would have a good partnership with Kevin Strootman or Toni Kroos. Carvalho would allow Kroos to have a lot of time on the ball which is important for Kroos to pick out a pass or to have a shot at goal also with Strootman I could see them having a similar partnership like Carvalho has with Adrien Silva at Sporting
That is true but reports in Portuguese media suggested that they did not want to pay the release clause whether that is true or not I don't know
Also reports in Portugal today say Liverpool are very interested in William Carvalho as well as our Argentine international Marcos Rojo
I hope not
Congrats to William Carvalho on making the WC squad ( as expected )
Hopefully he'll play and make an impression on Louie.
Im positive he will be in the starting lineup theres no one better then him in that position in portugal
I got a feeling after the World Cup at least five top clubs may knock on your club's door, mate.
You may even get closer to 40 almost millions for him. So far, he doesn't look like leaving before the tournament...
he was never going to leave before the WC Sporting would not make that mistake
Even if we're not in for him, I'll be watching Portugal just to watch this lad. Although to be honest I'll probably end up watching nearly every game in an unhealthy WC footy binge
William Carvalho stated today that he is going to the World Cup with his future decided already ..going on to state afterwards that he has a contract with Sporting until 2018 and that all the transfer rumors are just speculation...Hopefully he is saying the truth
You better get used to players/managers saying some things and then doing others. He may not even know his future yet. What's true today might not be a month from now.
Source: Being an FC Porto fan.
Source: Being an FC Porto fan.
yea i learned that with the whole Bruma case last year
I hope he stays. A smoother climb is probably better for him and he makes our league richer and more interesting.
I think he will stay. Since we only have 60% of the rights, Bruno de Carvalho will only sell for the release clause and i doubt anyone except sugar daddy clubs will spend that for a player with one very good season.
If we are not in for him.....I hope he stays at Sporting. I wanted the lad...but it may well be worth seeing how he does for a second season there. His buy out clause would not have changed and if he is the 'real deal' then next season will still be worth for us to get him...
How the hell will Monaco bypass FFP? They have a 20,000 stadium.
Individuals don't pay income tax so they have a far lower wage bill than they would have if they were in France, I suppose? I think they have really low corporate tax, too.
They won't they will be the first team to take a real hit.
I can't see him still being there after the world cup.
Hopefully RVP will tell him how shit Fellaini is. He'll find out on his own
Fair to say that it's very much CarvalhOFF now?
good video on him does no have league footage do to copyright
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