William Carvalho

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Sarni said:
It wouldn't be so bad if he stayed one more season at Sporting and played in the Champions League with them so we could see how good he's when stuck against top class players as opposed to a relatively poor standard of typical Portuguese opposition.
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It's a catch 22.

If we sign him now for a big fee we are taking a massive risk, but potentially one with a big reward. If we don't move for him before the World Cup there will likely be more suitors, even more so if we wait another year. I'm sure we've scouted him enough to make that decision, but it's a tough one. At 22 he isn't a kid and this is a good a time as any for him to move.
 
Sly said:
I completely agree with you. The only problem with this is if he has a really good World Cup. Before Nani moved to United he also proved himself in the Champions League and performed very well (specially against Inter Milan and Spartak Moscow). Don´t know if it´s just a negotiation tactic by our President but i think Carvalho should stay one more year and play the Champions League with us.
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I think it's that. Will be interesting to see how he does at the WC, but I guess clubs want to move now for him
 
I really hope we get him but for £37 million? No way.
 
He has won the young player of the month for April again so another individual accolade for what has been a stellar season for William Carvalho

On a side note 7 Sporting players are in the pre squad list for the World Cup one of the 7 being Carlos Mane who is also the youngest despite it not meaning he will be at the World Cup it's good for a young player and something that will give him confidence ..the 7 Sporting players are Adrien Silva,Rui Patricio,Andre Martins,Cedric ,Joao Mario, Carlos Mane , and of course William Carvalho
 
Amadaeus said:
It seems he has been winning that award every month :lol:. That really says alot about his ability as a holding midfielder because attacking players usually get more recognition in this regard.
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I'm very confident he is going to win the award for best player in the league this year which would be very deserved for the season he had
 
So the Chelsea rumor from last week has died down? :nervous:

We don't have to be as nervous about them sneaking in under the radar and signing him?
 
Orc said:
So the Chelsea rumor from last week has died down? :nervous:

We don't have to be as nervous about them sneaking in under the radar and signing him?
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They don't usually need to be linked to a player for months before signing him like we do though. If they want Carvalho they'll get it done in a matter of days. We'll be preparing a bid in the meantime.
 
Sarni said:
They don't usually need to be linked to a player for months before signing him like we do though. If they want Carvalho they'll get it done in a matter of days. We'll be preparing a bid in the meantime.
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True, lol

We could be haggling the price with the club and they'll come in and offer a million or two more than we do and he may want to play for a Portuguese coach in Mourinho. They have all those Brazilians too who could help him settle. :nervous::nervous::nervous:
 
Orc said:
So the Chelsea rumor from last week has died down? :nervous:

We don't have to be as nervous about them sneaking in under the radar and signing him?
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I've seen reports in Portugal saying Man City is also interested ....not sure there is much truth behind it tho
 
I don't think they'd go for Carvalho after just signing Matic.

Carvalho - Matic would be too defensive.
 
Red Shorts said:
Too defensive for some, ideal for Mourinho
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Mister_Stubbs said:
Just the way Jose likes it.
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Don't agree.

At Madrid, he played a 4-2-3-1 with Alonso and Khedira sitting in general.

At Chelsea it was 4-3-3 with Makelele, and Lampard and Essien running box to box.

He normally has at least one ball player in his midfield. It wouldn't surprise me to see him go after Alonso in the summer if he's available.
 
Could you imagine how annoying it would be to watch teams try to break down Chelsea with their back four and the two giants Matic and Carvalho in the middle of the park?

In truth, he's a Mourinho type player judging by the descriptions in this thread. A big, physical athlete.

Don't think he's even on their map right now, though. Not the type of player they need.
 
Ramshock said:
Honestly dont think Chelsea can match us on wages at the minute..as crazy as that sounds
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Not too crazy, since FFP is being enforced we could go around offering double the wages any other club other than Barca, Madrid can offer.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Why could we do that? And why would we want to do that?
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Because Man City have just been hit with a sanction that means they cant exceed their current wage bill with additional signings. Unless Chelsea want to fall into the slips of FFP they will have to balace their books with sales. We are in the unique position where our earnings far far exceed our spending.

If we wanted we could offer huge fees, but why should we when we can tempt players with insane wages and be untouched.

FFP has essentially restored order to the top teams.
 
SolidState said:
Because Man City have just been hit with a sanction that means they cant exceed their current wage bill with additional signings. Unless Chelsea want to fall into the slips of FFP they will have to balace their books with sales. We are in the unique position where our earnings far far exceed our spending.

If we wanted we could offer huge fees, but why should we when we can tempt players with insane wages and be untouched.

FFP has essentially restored order to the top teams.
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I haven't really looked into it, but they didn't fail so are in a decent position. If Terry, Cole and possibly Lampard leave, that is some big wages off the books, and thats before selling some unwanted platers
 
SolidState said:
Because Man City have just been hit with a sanction that means they cant exceed their current wage bill with additional signings. Unless Chelsea want to fall into the slips of FFP they will have to balace their books with sales. We are in the unique position where our earnings far far exceed our spending.

If we wanted we could offer huge fees, but why should we when we can tempt players with insane wages and be untouched.

FFP has essentially restored order to the top teams.
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Have I misunderstood?
I thought they couldnt exceed their cl wage bill this year next year... but they would be limited to somewhere between 18-21 players
in theory they could pay those 18 what they paid 25 before
also dont they get almost 100m for winning the prem this year (if they win) which would in theory not only put them on track to pass ffp but potentially allow them to spend a bit
I may be wrong as a blue talked me through it but despite supporting the wrong club they usually know their stuff????
 
Igor Drefljak said:
I haven't really looked into it, but they didn't fail so are in a decent position. If Terry, Cole and possibly Lampard leave, that is some big wages off the books, and thats before selling some unwanted platers
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Plus PL & CL money.

They could have the massive wages of Torres, Eto'o, Cole, Mikel, Luiz, Ba, and Lampard off their books ON TOP of whatever transfer kitty their owner set aside. All that deadwood on loan too like Marin, Romeu, Moses etc can bring decent fees.

Don't think they'll struggle with buying whomever they want while still being well in line with FFP. Mourinho said himself a couple weeks ago that Chelsea can go and spend £50m on a single player if they saw fit.
 
Chelsea can and will spend massive on at least two signings. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of them.

Anyone saying they can't is talking shit.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Chelsea can and will spend massive on at least two signings. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of them.

Anyone saying they can't is talking shit.
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I think the heavy fines to PSG and City will put Chelsea off breaking the FFP regulations. £50m is still a fair bit of money for Abramovic to just pass off with no return.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Chelsea can and will spend massive on at least two signings. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of them.

Anyone saying they can't is talking shit.
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Chelsea have reportedly already pulled out of the Shaw transfer because of FFP and they're priorities are clearly a striker most likely Costa and a LB most likely Phillipe Luiz. They will cost the best part of 50m so spending 37 on Carvalho doesn't seem very likely.
 
Orc said:
True, lol

We could be haggling the price with the club and they'll come in and offer a million or two more than we do and he may want to play for a Portuguese coach in Mourinho. They have all those Brazilians too who could help him settle. :nervous::nervous::nervous:
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Funnily enough I've already read in the Daily Mail I think it was that Woodward was tryna haggle with Sporting as we don't wanna pay the release clause and we wanna get him for a few million less! Typical.
 
You would like to think a midfielder in this mould wouldn't allow what Carrick so meekly allowed to happen for Fryatt's goal tonight. It reinforced the need for this kind of strength in midfield.
 
pascell said:
Funnily enough I've already read in the Daily Mail I think it was that Woodward was tryna haggle with Sporting as we don't wanna pay the release clause and we wanna get him for a few million less! Typical.
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I'm sick of this. I understand you don't want to overpay but if you believe Carvalho can go on to be a world class midfielder and he fits what you want in that position then just meet the release clause, because if you don't somebody else will. If they have somebody they can get for cheaper and believe will provide a similar impact then it makes sense but if you lose out on a target because you want to pay 3-4m less than his release clause then what's the purpose of all these crazy sources of revenue?

Kag said:
You would like to think a midfielder in this mould wouldn't allow what Carrick so meekly allowed to happen for Fryatt's goal tonight. It reinforced the need for this kind of strength in midfield.
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Exactly. Carvalho is the type of DM that may not add a ton in our attack but he would be the perfect cover for our defense and free up our attackers to play higher up the pitch. I'm sick and tired of watching us struggle against the best teams to get out of our own half and when we do be completely exposed on the counter because Carrick/Fletcher/Fellaini/Cleverley don't have the energy or ability to cover the space in behind. Carvalho seems tidy enough on the ball from what I've seen and seems capable of spraying the ball forward, but if we can play him next to a real ball player in the middle that would a phenomenal summer and would help us solidify defensively and I think will lead to us being more penetrative in attack as well.
 
goin4glory said:
Chelsea have reportedly already pulled out of the Shaw transfer because of FFP and they're priorities are clearly a striker most likely Costa and a LB most likely Phillipe Luiz. They will cost the best part of 50m so spending 37 on Carvalho doesn't seem very likely.
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they could recoup 40-50 odd million on player sales!
 
RedorDead21 said:
they could recoup 40-50 odd million on player sales!
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Of course they could, but they'd be losing key players to do so and wouldn't be strengthening so it'd be a pointless exercise.
 
Pexbo said:
Of course they could, but they'd be losing key players to do so and wouldn't be strengthening so it'd be a pointless exercise.
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Luiz could easily be sold to barca and would not be weakening anything! Oscar wouldnt be weakening them much either! Both could be replaced for less.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Luiz could easily be sold to barca and would not be weakening anything! Oscar wouldnt be weakening them much either! Both could be replaced for less.
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Oscar was excellent at the start of season, he still has future there. The ones that could leave and earn them big money are Luiz and Hazard - Hazard is an extremely talented player, Luiz is pretty crap admittedly (I don't understand why Barca seem keen on him).
 
Sarni said:
Oscar was excellent at the start of season, he still has future there. The ones that could leave and earn them big money are Luiz and Hazard - Hazard is an extremely talented player, Luiz is pretty crap admittedly (I don't understand why Barca seem keen on him).
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Because he 'gets about'. A liability in defence but he breaks play up & has his uses. Ask, Luiz or Fellaini? Unfair I know.

;)
 
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Sarni said:
Oscar was excellent at the start of season, he still has future there. The ones that could leave and earn them big money are Luiz and Hazard - Hazard is an extremely talented player, Luiz is pretty crap admittedly (I don't understand why Barca seem keen on him).
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Luiz is such a strange player. If you put together the physical attributes of an ideal centre half you'd pretty much come up with Luiz. Good in the air, strong, quick, tough in the tackle and good on the ball. But mentally he just doesn't seem to suit the position, goes AWOL positionally, loves to wander upfield and always has an error in him. He definitely doesn't suit Jose's system at centre half. Then he doesn't have the positioning or the tactical nous to play central midfield at the highest level, despite being a technically excellent footballer with a cracking shot and ability to pick a pass.

He's an enigma.
 
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