If you think Fernandinho went for £30m at 28, that might make you feel better!
William Carvalho
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Did not imagine we were going to pay less than £30m for him. Like I said before, Fernandinho went for around £35m to Manchester City and he was well worth that amount. Carvalho in my opinion will be well worth his buy-out clause and will shine in a combative league like the bpl.
The only problem I see is that the hierarchy at United values Carrick(maybe Fellaini aswell.....) and they would not want to replace them with a player that is unproven in a top league. As in, "why buy this unproven player when we have Carrick and Fellaini." It is a stupid logic to consider because of the performance of the aforementioned players and the positive scouting report of William Carvalho. Hopefully, our board does not see it that way, because Carvalho is a much needed player.
I'm one of those who doesn't mind paying the odd big fee for an important purchase, and CM is the one place we should definitely be willing to splash out. But even I'll admit £37m is way too much. He's completely unproven at PL or CL level. For Kroos, I'd pay £37m. If Carvalho's not available for less, I'd look elsewhere.
I know what you mean, he is 22 years old too and this is his only real season at the top level (if you can say that?)
Last season he was @ Cercle Brugge K.S.V.
Late bloomer?
30m EUR max the figures for him are a joke. Saying that with the world cup its a gamble letting him go there without first signing him up. He could have a stormer and then thats it for us.
Would be gutting if we let him go for the sake of 6m or so and he was a star at the WC.
The fact we missed out on the CL means we need to spend the extra whatever the cost. If we start being stingy we will end up with the fall back option AGAIN. £6M is nothing to a club of our stature, we really should just bite the bullet.
£37m is overpricing him by significantly more than 6m or so.
I´d agree. It´s a very high valuation. Like i said in the past, the 37£m wasn´t supposed to be indicative of his value but the standart procedure on portuguese clubs player contracts that always have a release clause. Having said that, i think this isn´t an easy year to achieve this transfer for multiple reasons. Carvalho coming of a great year (where he will probably be player of the year inflating his value), Champions League qualification (giving us financial leverage and need to have a strong team to represent us next year), World Cup year (a good participation will also rise his value and interest from other clubs) and us having him tied to a long term contract (giving us the upper hand and a comfortable position in the negotiations). These circunstancies make it very hard to call a possible deal (and point to the release clause).
For the record, just to show how the valuation is too steep, here is a list of clubs who have paid more than 45 million euros for a player:
5 - Real Madrid (Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane, Kaka e Bale)
2 - Barcelona (Neymar e Ibrahimovic)
2 - Lazio (Crespo e Mendieta)
2 - Chelsea (Torres e Shevchenko)
1 - PSG (Cavani)
1 - Monaco (Falcão)
1 - Zenit (Hulk)
1 - Juventus (Buffon)
1 - Arsenal (Ozil)
1 - Atl. Madrid (Falcão)
1 - Manchester United (Ferdinand)
There's a few missing there
Berbatov, Mata, Modric, Carroll etc...
Ferdinand cost less than all them (I think) - unless the exchange rate really changed
Berbatov, Mata, Modric, Carroll etc...
Ferdinand cost less than all them (I think) - unless the exchange rate really changed
6mil is nothing these days. We overpaid for the likes of Rio by about £10mil in 2001. If he is the right player for us then its money well spent. Only 21 so its a great investment if he is good enough.
This is true but abit like the london housing market its a case of he's worth what ever the highest bidders are willing to pay. We've missed out on enough targets in the last 3 years with the "no value in the market" excuse and if that was applicable before this season's increased revenue figures..its certainly applicable now. We don't need value financially..we need it on the pitch.
I'm a little cautious truthfully. Anderson looked the shit in Portugal and we all know how that turned out. While I hope we invest in Carvalho I hope it's for a decent fee.
Alright. It was actually a list i found on Sporting forum. Didn´t cross check it at all
I'm pretty sure Van Gaal though will believe he can polish up a young player who costs half as much. Isnt that his whole coaching mantra.
I actually believe in that. I would be willing to bet that Carvalho will do well and have a great career. He just needs a world class manager to help him evolve with all his potencial in his next stage. I think it would be gut wrenching watching him flourish at another club after scouting him extensively. Kinda like what happened with Ronaldo. Arsenal and Liverpool counting pennies (trying to play hardball) and we all know what happened next. I´m not saying that he will be another Ronaldo but he is up there with the best talents i´ve seen coming from our academy (you just have to check the names we produced for you to see how highly i´m praising him). I think the 37£m price tag won´t even be remembered in the future with what he can bring to the team in the long run with his age and potencial.
Clubs are so money driven these days that I look at "late bloomers" with a cynical eye. There are certain players out there made to look good purely for profit - for the club and themselves. Not saying Carvalho is one of those but everyone knows United are desperate for a powerhouse midfielder (or two) so we're wide open to Bebe'esc offerings!
He's this summer's Thiago for me. He's the one I want without knowing if it will work out. The value's are completely different mind.
But there's not currently enough proof that he's good enough, hence why it's too much to spend. God knows I don't mind us overspending a bit on a proven top quality player, but until Carvalho's played some CL or PL football, he's too big a risk to blow such a massive amount of cash on.
Its abit like Draxler and Arse4nal. They sent a delegation out there and tried to get the price down and it didnt work. They were the only club actively interested as well. Unless a player is coming to the end of his contract 30m seems to be the starting price for any top young player right now. The trouble is we cannot offer CL football and right now are not even a top 4 club in our own league. There are several clubs with deeper pockets who can easily afford to take the risk. Teams we are trying to make ground on. All we can do is judge our scouting network on this one and the insider info you would expect someone like Van Gaal to gain before spending a large chunk of his transfer budget.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...chester-united-transfer-news-william-3490320?
But club president Bruno de Carvalho is now contending that insisting his star midfielder is staying put in Portugal next season.
"There is nothing inevitable. I am almost certain, if not absolutely certain, that William will continue at Sporting," he told reporters as he attended the Portugal Open Tennis event in Lisbon.
Carvalho also suggest his man is happy to stay but with a £37m release clause in play there may be nothing the Leoes can do to stop him leaving.
"You never know when a club might appear and be interested in taking him by paying the release clause," he added.
"Now, William is very satisfied, he is happy and so are we."
That is the key line. We need to pay the release clause...and we will I think.
But club president Bruno de Carvalho is now contending that insisting his star midfielder is staying put in Portugal next season.
"There is nothing inevitable. I am almost certain, if not absolutely certain, that William will continue at Sporting," he told reporters as he attended the Portugal Open Tennis event in Lisbon.
Carvalho also suggest his man is happy to stay but with a £37m release clause in play there may be nothing the Leoes can do to stop him leaving.
"You never know when a club might appear and be interested in taking him by paying the release clause," he added.
"Now, William is very satisfied, he is happy and so are we."
That is the key line. We need to pay the release clause...and we will I think.
I doubt we'l pay 37mil for him, same with any club not named Real who wont pay that either imo. He'l definitely move though if the reports of multiple clubs being interested are true and it wont be for his release clause.
we will pay. rather than get a crocked Strootment.....
We play today but i guess it will again be the typical end of season match. Us and Nacional already achieved the objectives and World Cup is near so i expect another slow rhythm effort. About our President´s words, it´s nothing new. He has always said that.
I honestly think the new FFP regulations favour us in this regard, City and Chelsea can't go out and spend the kind of money they have done in the past, especially not for players who play in positions where they are not in desperate need of reinforcements.
Us and Arsenal will be the clubs to benefit the most from the new rule, I think. Whether that's actually 'fair' is up for debate though.
Forgot how good he was for Valencia. Arguably, turned out to be a bigger waste of money for Lazio than Torres or Shevchenko did for Chelsea though. Not quite Andy Carroll levels of wasted money, but not far off.
ive said this many times and ill say it again .....Anderson was always very overrated at Porto he was not as good as people thought .....William is a much better player this is not even a comparison
From SAFs autobiography he made it sound like we bought Anderson because Gill was already in the area to get Nani! Correct me if I'm wrong,but I don't think we spent an entire season watching his every appearance.
In his first season Anderson was a regular in midfield for the best side in world football as a teenager. Was universally applauded as one of the best young players around and won the golden boy award for best teenager in Europe.
I'm sure you saw much more of him in Portugal than I did so I can't comment on that, but there can't be any doubt that he had a fantastic debut season at United. Such a waste of talent.
Didn't a lot of Anderson's hype just come from the fact he was a Brazilian guy with dreads?
He was always talented that is obvious but he is not what people made him out to be
Naah, he looked a pretty exciting talent playing at Porto.
Was that when Anderson had his mohawk? Very futuristic of us.
Sporting Lisbon President says Carvalho is almost certainly not going anywhere
http://www.squawka.com/news/carvalho-going-nowhere-says-sporting-president/105476
http://www.squawka.com/news/carvalho-going-nowhere-says-sporting-president/105476
“You never know when a club might appear and be interested in taking him by paying the release clause. Now, William is very satisfied, he is happy and so are we.”
They're just making sure we cough up - could be another sign that EdWW is playing the game & offering less than they want for him?
It wouldn't be so bad if he stayed one more season at Sporting and played in the Champions League with them so we could see how good he's when stuck against top class players as opposed to a relatively poor standard of typical Portuguese opposition.
I completely agree with you. The only problem with this is if he has a really good World Cup. Before Nani moved to United he also proved himself in the Champions League and performed very well (specially against Inter Milan and Spartak Moscow). Don´t know if it´s just a negotiation tactic by our President but i think Carvalho should stay one more year and play the Champions League with us.
He could be the next big thing or he could be the next Miguel Veloso who never really impressed after leaving you. I wouldn't spend 37 million on a player whose only experience so far is mainly against Rio Ave and Pacos de Ferreira (with all due respect, they are both probably good sides but a different level to what he'd expect in Premier League and European competitions). Likewise I wouldn't yet move to a big side if I were him, he'll be a focal point at Sporting next year in his comfort zone, he could easily impress in Europe and have a host of top European sides to pick from.
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