I rated him for his ability, his injuries and indiscipline were the issues for me
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I rated him for his ability, his injuries and indiscipline were the issues for me
It's weird, I'm not really sure what Moyes had in mind for him. Not sure he's ever really been a proper DM, he's always liked a wander and before he was pushed higher up at Everton he had more of a box to box role, something he's been quite decent at against lesser opposition with us. All the media talk approaching deadline day was that we were after a holder and an all rounder, I suppose Fabregas/Herrera were the all rounder options so it seems odd that Fellaini was the holder given that Moyes has worked with him for years and knows full well he's never really played that role. Moyes' comments that he sees Fellaini scoring some goals for us soon suggest he probably isn't seen as a holder long term either.
If we got Carvalho I think his role would be very different to Fellaini's. Carvalho would be the positionally solid, calm passing tackling midfielder and Fellaini would be a bit of an unorthodox box to box wrecking ball type option. Hopefully a creator ie. Kroos or a lesser alternative would be a more permanent option in midfield.
Bear in mind Fabio was at QPR last season during the best spell of Rafael's career.
That’s exactly how I see it. At first I thought his job will be to protect the back four, a pure DM so to say. But he seems unable to tackle without fouling players around, and not that great positioning. Then he was playing as a box-to-box, which is a good idea, however I guess we could’ve found better players around to do that than Fellaini. But it was a safe option for Moyes, so there you go.
Now I see him as a squad player. He can be useful, but not good enough to be starting every game (what is the story of our every midfielder to be honest).
However, I like the idea of a strong defensive midfielder. We can build on that.
Fellaini is a joke of a player who will continue to buy midfielders around over the coming years in an attempt to create a scenario where he doesn't have to play. Which is fine by me at this stage.
Has @Arruda given us an overview of Carvalho yet? If not please let us know if he is Utd quality?
Arruda's a Porto fan so not sure how much he'd be able to say, but reviews from two Sporting fans (@Sly and @SportingCP96) are promising. They were posted earlier on in the thread.
Cool didn't realise we had Sporting fans amongst us, will check their comments out later but it is always good to also get an opposition view on a player...i find that to be a bit more balanced.
Don't feed the troll.
If you don't want him to sign, I do.
In a simplistic answer, yes, I think he is, or has the potential to very soon become, "United quality". Kid's class. I've given more detailed opinions elsewhere in the thread, and like Damien said, Sly has posted extensively about him in the thread. If you fear him being biased as a Sporting fan, I can tell you I pretty much agree with almost everything he said about the player, with the caveat that he's seen more of him than I have. I've watched about a third of Sporting matches this season, at best.
Thanks Arruda, it is always reassuring to hear positive comments from an opposing fan..it just gives you a better perspective on a player. I will now try to dig out the reviews from Sly & Damien.
One of the recent articles, might have been in the Mail, that read as though they had been briefed by Woodward, said that United felt the buy-out clause was excessive. So the deal won't go through until Sporting feel confident that United's latest offer is the best they are going to get from anyone (this summer).
We cant really judge how early woodward and moyes will conclude transfers based on last summer, since for some reason they didn't even start looking until July 1st so theres no way they could have announced anything before then.
Most of the deals in recent years under SAF/Gill were announced in june before the window opens though:
Jones http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13754461
Kagawa http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18559694
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13754461
In June after the season yes, I know we have announced deals then but I can't remember any big ones during the season when we have fixtures remaining. I just feel this is going to be a tricky window for the club with the World Cup and so many better offers out there for some of our targets. It could take a while to land the players we want as they could be the 3rd or 4th option, just like Fellaini.
Yeah mostly we wait until after the last match of the season, been the odd one like hernandez or smalling but as you say not too many big ones.
I agree with the rest actually, have said a few times on here i think we could be frustrated quite a bit in this window chasing players who won't fancy coming here without CL football, my worry is moyes if he stays might get jumpy and start panic buying if first choice targets can't be signed up quickly. Hes been relying on this window to solve all his problems and get him out of jail for a while now it seems, if its not panning out like he thought it would it could get messy and a lot of money could be down the shitter.
I'd love Carvalho here, but surely you can't be using YouTube to show whether Carvalho offers more than Fellaini, whether true or not. If that's the case, then we shouldn't need Carvalho if Fellaini can start producing what he produced in the video below.
Do people seriously need to interject Fellaini into every fcking transfer issue? FFS give over already.
This could be the greatest summer of them all for muppetry.
Part of me hopes Woody doesn't spoil the fun by wrapping up these deals early.
Part of me hopes Woody doesn't spoil the fun by wrapping up these deals early.
If that post was for me, Fellaini was already interjected into this post.
And is he really in every transfer issue? Popular guy.
I was championing us to get the more proven Strootman for half the price. Is this guy as good as Strootman?
Strootman is far more accomplished but Carvalho does look like he could turn into a top player. Strootman would have been a far safer bet, especially considering the price.
In saying that, Carvalho does excite me if he was to join.
When I was in the newbies, @SportingCP96 gave us some absolute fantastic reviews for Carvalho and if he is as good as he is making out, he, alongside a more creative CM like Kroos, would be a fantastic summer acquisition.
Yes, if he has quality in front of him, I think we will see the best out of him (obviously) but more in regards to him being able to concentrate on what he is good at.
Look at when City spent big money on Fernandinho, we all were surprised at the price tag but he has enabled Yaya Toure to get forward on a more regular basis. I'm not saying Carvalho is worth the reported fee but for what we need and the rumoured players being scouted, it looks as though it could be a smart acquisition.
Look at when City spent big money on Fernandinho, we all were surprised at the price tag but he has enabled Yaya Toure to get forward on a more regular basis. I'm not saying Carvalho is worth the reported fee but for what we need and the rumoured players being scouted, it looks as though it could be a smart acquisition.
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This kid is going to be amazing, I would love him at Arsenal, he would fit like a glove.
I hope we can wrap this up before Madrid etc come sniffing.
Think you make a valid point but that video.... I see nothing special in that video lol.
He's miles better than Strootman. Mainly because Strootman is out for the season and will miss the world cup.
I suspect he's better anyway yes.
The first minute is mostly fouls.He looks a lot like Jon Obi Mikel to me. Very similar on the ball; takes up similar positions.
He'd definitely need a more attack-minded, creative, mobile partner.
Herrera would be perfect, from what I've seen.
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Its the truth. You think they want to lose their influence completely? They are men not Gods
Even though we have Carrick who plays in his role, he would be a much needed improvement in our midfield. The combination of strength, vision and composure are attributes that would help progress United midfield to be comparable to the likes of Bayern, Manchester City, and other top teams. I would have prefer a energetic box to box midfielder like Kovacic or Gundogan to balance Carvalho attribute, but I do not oppose a Kroos and Carvalho midfield duo despite the lack of energy. Maybe we can adopt a defense via possesion gameplan with these two over, pressing and keeping things compact.
Nevertheless, Moyes should not dwindle with this deal and come the first few weeks of summer, I would be elated if we get the Carvalho and Shaw deal done. That would be a positive step towards the right direction even if the asking price is excessive.
Nevertheless, Moyes should not dwindle with this deal and come the first few weeks of summer, I would be elated if we get the Carvalho and Shaw deal done. That would be a positive step towards the right direction even if the asking price is excessive.
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