Isnt Legend suppose to have a real heavy meaning?
Not close imo. Very far from it.
Not close imo. Very far from it.
Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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He's better than Nani, many will disagree but thats because Nani has now retired and looked at with red tinted glasses.
You dont receive legendary status whilst your still playing because your presently analysed rather than analysed of performances of the past.
Just wait until Bruno retires & he will gain some respect for his performances for United.
You dont receive legendary status whilst your still playing because your presently analysed rather than analysed of performances of the past.
Just wait until Bruno retires & he will gain some respect for his performances for United.
Is Nani a legend though? He is in a throwaway, casual sense, but not a proper one.
Bruno's biggest issue is also his greatest strength. He is the best of a bit bunch in a period were the club was irrelevant in the footballing sense.
Wider point but Ferdnades and even arguably Rashford have better players for United than Nani was by almost every possible individual metric.
We overrate players from the past based on the success of the team.
As I said earlier in the thread, legend should be used to describe only about 20 players from our entire history.
Well for me thats what makes him a legend but its all personal. Because he has been the best player during a time the whole team has been been rubbish. Expecting him to win a title by himself whilst he plays with poor players and poor managers is not his fault.
Whilst he is also not a great captain, he has also been our best captain post SAF.
In my mind - a few legends of the top of my head are Keane, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney etc.
A level below that and who are not legendary status is Nani, Tevez & possibly De Gea (but for someone who only watched United from 1990's he is still our 3rd best keeper).
For me Bruno is a level above them & scratches his teeth in to the low level of legendary status because Bruno for a whilst has been our most important player - whilst the ones mentioned really wasnt especially considering they got to play under SAF aswell.
Maybe this is why some people have said that Bruno needs to win a title to achieve legendary status because he is kind of almost there & a bit like Kane needs to win a significant title at a top club to assemble a well rounded career.
Whether Bruno being our most important player because the rest of the squad is average is still a considerable argument - however that doesnt hide the fact that he has been the best player United have had in this decade of Post SAF retirement period which is the toughest ive ever watched.
Unless Bruno leads us to a PL or CL trophy lift, I don't see him every becoming a United legend. But he is a very good footballer.
For me he is an absolute legend.
I dont decide legends on what they win, i decide how much fight and importance they play for the club badge.
Ever since Bruno Fernandes came here i have seen him play better and work harder than many players even under SAF.
Absolute legend of this club for me and he will only be appreciated once he retires.
I dont decide legends on what they win, i decide how much fight and importance they play for the club badge.
Ever since Bruno Fernandes came here i have seen him play better and work harder than many players even under SAF.
Absolute legend of this club for me and he will only be appreciated once he retires.
Will be remembered in the same status than De Gea. His prime was wasted in a poor United side.
De Gea was far better and genuinely elite for a few years whereas Bruno has never been that. He’ll never be a United legend. Very good player but if every good player is a United legend then that’s a pretty loose definition.
Legends are borne out of success. For me success is measured in titles. Unless theres a sudden turn around next year in consistent form and we win the league, Bruno is miles away from legend status. If he left in summer he would soon be forgotton.
Not sure why these threads about legend status are made.
Not sure why these threads about legend status are made.
You lot on here judge him way too harshly imho. He's a great player who admittedly has significant dips in form at times.
To be a legend at United you need to win titles though.
To be a legend at United you need to win titles though.
Maybe if he played in a better Utd team yes, he could of been a legend.
In reality though, winning 1 FA Cup and 1 League cup, cannot be accounted as legend status.
In reality though, winning 1 FA Cup and 1 League cup, cannot be accounted as legend status.
With a title or CL. Those are the only ways.
I think the title requirement is kinda harsh, since it takes more than an individual to win stuff. But then on the other hand, I struggle to name someone I'd call a United legend that won as little as Bruno
Correct.
Tend to agree he needs to captain us to a serious trophy lift. The LC/EL/FAC don’t quite cut it. I hope he does, he deserves it.
I think the dips in form are because he has been poorly managed. He insists on playing every game, and he has needed strong managers to force him to rest occasionally, and save him from himself.
Instead he has been leaned on and relied upon, sometimes playing up to 50/60 games a season. Nobody can sustain peak performance in those conditions. It’s not possible.
But for United it's a justified requirement considering the history of the club. And compared to the Busby or Ferguson eras these are dark days which every fan will be happy to forget about in the long run. Including those who played for United in these times. Which is unlucky for Bruno as he probably could have reached this legend status if he had played under SAF but that's how things work.
Yep, can't disagree with any of that. Unfortunate for him, and I'll remember him fondly, but 30 years down the line were unlikely to sing his praises
Yeah but if he's constantly played with players who have not reached the required level to be able to win titles, then it shouldn't be a deciding factor. It's easy to be legend status playing with Beckham, Scholes, Keane, Giggs, Cantona, Ferdinand, Rooney, Law, Charlton, Best etc. None of those players have had to carry the rest of the team like Bruno has. Your second last sentence, which I've highlighted is just ridiculous.
Why is legend status built around him winning trophies?
He cant really do that by himself.
Seems unfair.
You could put Messi in the middle of Southampton and would he not be a southampton legend?
Sure southampton dont win trophies but the idea that Bruno could do it under Ole & Ten Hag is crazy.
He cant really do that by himself.
Seems unfair.
You could put Messi in the middle of Southampton and would he not be a southampton legend?
Sure southampton dont win trophies but the idea that Bruno could do it under Ole & Ten Hag is crazy.
Virtually zero chance.
He’d need a minimum CL or Prem title to even be considered. Now age 30 and very unlikely to play a part of any future CL, Prem titles.
He’d need a minimum CL or Prem title to even be considered. Now age 30 and very unlikely to play a part of any future CL, Prem titles.
Buchan? And while Robson did win the league eventually (twice, actually), he wasn’t really integral to those wins — Ince and McClair were the preferred midfield combination by that point. Peak Robson — the one that earned himself his legendary status — won a few FA Cups… and a CWC, I guess, he was still a regular.
Although Robson was a better player and regularly stepped up in big games, often carrying us to unlikely victories.
Was thinking about Robson when going through the names in my mind, but he just won a bit more. Very fair point on his diminished contribution though.
Tevez....?
TEVEZ?!?
Decent first season, but had a touch that would make Hojlund blush.
Living abroad I dont get much chance to go to games. However took my son on a few occasions. Bought VIP tickets with all thats included. Part of the package was to meet and be introduced to a utd legend. 1st occasion: Sammy McIlroy, 2nd time: Frank Stapleton. In my world the latter is no where near legendary. Sammy Mac up for discussion yet imv even him not a legend. Nice to have had a chat with him though. We were discussing the dirty Leeds side of the 70's when I mentioned the Arsenal player Peter Storey we agreed he trumped them all.
That is a wild take considering he moved directly to our rivals after only 2 seasons with us. Let's say he played in a testimonial match at Old Trafford, I reckon he'd get booed.
The twat from Argentina? Of course he'd be booed!
Calling him anything close to a United legend is mental! If anything he's the opposite of a legend... A villain? No, that's too grandiose a term.
Let's say he's a United wretch
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Has he won the Premiership? No. Champions League? No. Can’t be considered.
Got into this argument a while back with another poster who was bringing up Arthur Albiston as an example that you didn't need to win titles to be a legend, but my point was always that the term "legend" has evolved as the club has risen the ranks of stature and accomplishments over the last 50 years. The benchmark is higher now to be a United legend, you can't just have played for the club for a decade.
I personally don't think that one major trophy is enough to be honest. Think of Chelseas flukey CL win, that isn't the stuff legends are formed in. If we would win the league convincingly with great games and great performances with rivals in good form on their own - so really winning it in a way that we were the best of a few really good teams, then we can talk but thats really lofty stuff.
Well said, fully agree.
To be a legend, it should be more than just being really good and then play for a team. Is Ibra a United legend? No he isn't. Even though he is a legend. Messi isn't a PSG legend, he is a Barcelona legend and a legend on his own.
And yes, it can be seen as unfair but it is, what it is. Brunos timing is unfortunate, he'd probably be a crazy huge star if he would have been born 20 to 15 years earlier. It seems unfair but on the other hand, being remembered as a really good player for a club like United is also something. A very illustrious list, he will be part of. But if we are too loose with the legend status, it is devalueing the other players that have this status for us. At least in my perspective.
Legend is just as nebulous a term as 'world class'.
Will never achieve a consensus on definition
Will never achieve a consensus on definition
If he drags us to an Europa League win this season or we become a regular Top 4 team and he's the lynchpin then yes. Otherwise he'll just be a welll respected ex player.
I agree although I think there would be little debate about some names: Cantona for example.
Interesting question, how does Bruno compare to Ole (solely the player)?
I'm not a united fan, but have watched them a lot over the past few years.
I cannot understand how he would be even remotely compared to a United legend.
Yes he can be a great player, but he also can very often not be, and has a poor disciplinary record.
When you consider United legends such as Scholes, Keane, GIggs, Rooney, Ronaldo, Van de sar, Schmeichel etc, can you say he comes even close to the tail end of them?
I think this is more about being the best part of the last 5 years at United rather than being an actual legend.
I cannot understand how he would be even remotely compared to a United legend.
Yes he can be a great player, but he also can very often not be, and has a poor disciplinary record.
When you consider United legends such as Scholes, Keane, GIggs, Rooney, Ronaldo, Van de sar, Schmeichel etc, can you say he comes even close to the tail end of them?
I think this is more about being the best part of the last 5 years at United rather than being an actual legend.
This is a little before my time as a supporter but I never considered Ole a United legend. His goal for the famous CL win is legendary but thats about it. That being said, for now I'd consider Bruno to be in about the same region, probably a little under though because the 1999 treble is one of the highest heights that come to mind when thinking about United.
Ole is miles clear. Miles.
Interesting to get such different answers.
My heart immediately says Ole but I don't know if I'm simply basing that off the nostalgia of that night. Ole was here about a decade, if Bruno sees out his deal he will be close to that.
Came here to say Robson. Robson was a better player though
Agree. Nowhere near legend status, probably due to his miserable personality. Someone like Juan Mata is miles ahead.