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Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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It’s Tesco. Chuck a stone out your window and you’ll hit one. I do all my big shops on foot.
Tesco can get fecked anyway. Lighting is far too harsh. Lidl for the win.
I am fully aware that Fergie signed him, so I understand your point.
With nearly 500 games in our shirt since SAF retired I would confidently include him.
Very little chance. His personal stats will be up there with anyone by the time he leaves but I don't think you can be a legend with no major honors as a team and being a player who generally struggled against the best teams. If he keeps his high production and we somehow win the league in the next two years or while he's still here then maybe, but "Legend" status should go to the truly best of the best players that were both world class in the sport and helped the club achieve huge things/elevated the club to huge heights. Not just "very good player who played for United for a long period of time"
That 24 player list contains the following who I consider Bruno to be equal to (or better than): G.Neville, Evra, Park, Carrick and Solskjær.
Keep in mind that I'm talking about pure skill and talent.
Sorry cant agree. We have past players who won even less but I think of as legends. Martin Buchan being one. Its not just about titles but also about their part in the history of the club
Considering some of the players a lot of fans refer to as legends he should have a statue.
That’s great, but the status of the club nowadays means the standards to be considered a “legend” have too. What has Bruno done to be “part of the history” apart from win a couple of domestic cups?
And I’m really not trying to turn this into me dogging Bruno, but I also don’t think a player should be considered a legend of one of the biggest clubs in the sport just because he produced consistently good statistical seasons in what many consider underperforming teams.
"Status of the club nowadays"..... Nice, lets just use some slogan to allow ourselves the ability to simply dismiss nearly 150 years of history and the efforts of all those past players etc. Legend status for me involves more than just how many trophies or awards a player won or their "stats"
Great, then what exactly denotes what a “legend” is for you? Beacause you clearly have a different definition than most
My point is that you are using the whole "status of the club nowadays" routine to dismiss so many past players. All clubs the big clubs in England have had periods where there has been great success or very poor eras. What happens to the players who played during the lean years? Do their efforts mean nothing just because the team wasnt winning trophies when they played?
Legend means more to me than just how many titles or trophies won. The players place and part in the history of the club, the context of the time and era matter. Time will determine if Bruno ends up with Legend status. BTW I never said if he was or wasnt, I was disagreeing with your argument of what a legend is defined by.
Its not defined by the status of the club nowadays but buy their abilities their efforts, their contributions all within the context of the era they played in. Right now we are in a shit era.
Arthur Albiston is a Utd Legend. Only won the 2nd division title and a couple of cups. Your criteria would consign him to the trash heap
Name those players a lot of fans call legends that Bruno has more credit than.
As frustrating as Bruno is at times he has been by far in a way our best player since he arrived.
How you define a legend is very personal, I mean I think of players like Neil Webb, Clayton Blackmore, John O'Shea differently and in higher regard because they are the players that I connect emotionally with during positive times even though technically they were all just OK (not saying these are legends BTW).
But if we look at stats, this is just taken from the internet and compiled from top 25 goal scorers + top 25 assists (duplicates removed) (at bottom of post)
Goals per game has him just behind Ole and notably ahead of Charlton, Robbo, Beckham, Scholes and Giggs
Assists per game he is only behind Cantona, Beckham and Nani
Goal contributions per game he is 7th
This is in a period where we have been largely poor, and most of the players he is behind got their goals and assists during a period where we were free scoring and dominant, our most successful period in history!
So technically by stats Bruno is definitely a legend, for all of his faults and annoying bits and bobs, he is really the only player in our current squad who feels like he comes close to legend status.
How you define a legend is very personal, I mean I think of players like Neil Webb, Clayton Blackmore, John O'Shea differently and in higher regard because they are the players that I connect emotionally with during positive times even though technically they were all just OK (not saying these are legends BTW).
But if we look at stats, this is just taken from the internet and compiled from top 25 goal scorers + top 25 assists (duplicates removed) (at bottom of post)
Goals per game has him just behind Ole and notably ahead of Charlton, Robbo, Beckham, Scholes and Giggs
Assists per game he is only behind Cantona, Beckham and Nani
Goal contributions per game he is 7th
This is in a period where we have been largely poor, and most of the players he is behind got their goals and assists during a period where we were free scoring and dominant, our most successful period in history!
So technically by stats Bruno is definitely a legend, for all of his faults and annoying bits and bobs, he is really the only player in our current squad who feels like he comes close to legend status.
| Games | Goals | Assists | GPG | Rank | APG | Rank | G + A PG | Rank | |
| Ruud van Nistelrooy | 219 | 150 | 29 | 0.68 | 2 | 0.13 | 17 | 0.82 | 1 |
| Éric Cantona | 185 | 82 | 62 | 0.44 | 9 | 0.34 | 1 | 0.78 | 2 |
| Tommy Taylor | 186 | 131 | 9 | 0.70 | 1 | 0.05 | 26 | 0.75 | 3 |
| Wayne Rooney | 559 | 253 | 139 | 0.45 | 7 | 0.25 | 6 | 0.70 | 4 |
| Dwight Yorke | 152 | 66 | 32 | 0.43 | 11 | 0.21 | 7 | 0.64 | 5 |
| Dennis Viollet | 281 | 173 | 6 | 0.62 | 3 | 0.02 | 32 | 0.64 | 6 |
| Bruno Fernandes | 257 | 85 | 76 | 0.33 | 16 | 0.30 | 4 | 0.63 | 7 |
| Denis Law | 406 | 237 | 12 | 0.58 | 4 | 0.03 | 30 | 0.61 | 8 |
| Cristiano Ronaldo | 346 | 145 | 64 | 0.42 | 12 | 0.18 | 10 | 0.60 | 9 |
| Andy Cole | 275 | 121 | 45 | 0.44 | 10 | 0.16 | 12 | 0.60 | 10 |
| David Herd | 260 | 145 | 5 | 0.56 | 5 | 0.02 | 33 | 0.58 | 11 |
| David Beckham | 391 | 85 | 121 | 0.22 | 24 | 0.31 | 2 | 0.53 | 12 |
| Teddy Sheringham | 153 | 46 | 31 | 0.30 | 19 | 0.20 | 9 | 0.50 | 13 |
| Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 366 | 126 | 56 | 0.34 | 15 | 0.15 | 13 | 0.50 | 14 |
| Nani | 230 | 41 | 70 | 0.18 | 28 | 0.30 | 3 | 0.48 | 15 |
| Marcus Rashford | 426 | 138 | 64 | 0.32 | 18 | 0.15 | 14 | 0.47 | 16 |
| Jack Rowley | 235 | 108 | 1 | 0.46 | 6 | 0.00 | 37 | 0.46 | 17 |
| Stan Pearson | 202 | 91 | 1 | 0.45 | 8 | 0.00 | 36 | 0.46 | 18 |
| Ryan Giggs | 958 | 167 | 264 | 0.17 | 29 | 0.28 | 5 | 0.45 | 19 |
| Anthony Martial | 317 | 90 | 47 | 0.28 | 20 | 0.15 | 15 | 0.43 | 20 |
| George Best | 470 | 179 | 11 | 0.38 | 13 | 0.02 | 31 | 0.40 | 21 |
| Mark Hughes | 443 | 158 | 19 | 0.36 | 14 | 0.04 | 27 | 0.40 | 22 |
| Paul Pogba | 233 | 39 | 48 | 0.17 | 30 | 0.21 | 8 | 0.37 | 23 |
| Sir Bobby Charlton | 744 | 243 | 24 | 0.33 | 17 | 0.03 | 29 | 0.36 | 24 |
| Paul Scholes | 714 | 153 | 82 | 0.21 | 25 | 0.11 | 19 | 0.33 | 25 |
| Juan Mata | 285 | 51 | 42 | 0.18 | 27 | 0.15 | 16 | 0.33 | 26 |
| Brian McClair | 446 | 112 | 16 | 0.25 | 22 | 0.04 | 28 | 0.29 | 27 |
| Frank Stapleton | 273 | 72 | 4 | 0.26 | 21 | 0.01 | 34 | 0.28 | 28 |
| Lee Sharpe | 253 | 36 | 29 | 0.14 | 31 | 0.11 | 20 | 0.26 | 29 |
| Antonio Valencia | 339 | 25 | 58 | 0.07 | 33 | 0.17 | 11 | 0.24 | 30 |
| Bryan Robson | 431 | 94 | 6 | 0.22 | 23 | 0.01 | 35 | 0.23 | 31 |
| Lou Macari | 330 | 70 | 0 | 0.21 | 26 | 0.00 | 38 | 0.21 | 32 |
| Ashley Young | 261 | 19 | 32 | 0.07 | 34 | 0.12 | 18 | 0.20 | 33 |
| Roy Keane | 478 | 51 | 39 | 0.11 | 32 | 0.08 | 24 | 0.19 | 34 |
| Darren Fletcher | 342 | 24 | 31 | 0.07 | 35 | 0.09 | 21 | 0.16 | 35 |
| Michael Carrick | 464 | 24 | 35 | 0.05 | 36 | 0.08 | 25 | 0.13 | 36 |
| Patrice Evra | 379 | 10 | 33 | 0.03 | 37 | 0.09 | 22 | 0.11 | 37 |
| Gary Neville | 598 | 7 | 49 | 0.01 | 38 | 0.08 | 23 | 0.09 | 38 |
Good post.
It's interesting that some of the most vocal Bruno critics on here wouldn't hear a bad word about Pogba, a player who is not much more than 50% as productive and puts less work in over 90 minutes of football than Bruno usually has by half time.
People need to chill out. One of the many problems we have as a club is we over rate our players alot.
We need to calm down.
This seems like more of your own personal definition of a "legend" though, as it means that there are seemingly "club legends" being formed constantly because if a player plays for the club for a prolonged period of time that seems to qualify him in your eyes. Michael Carrick is more of a "club legend" than Albiston by your metrics, but I don't think either should be regarded as a United "legend" that puts them in the same group as a Rooney/Best/Charlton etc.
Neither player gets "consigned to the trash heap" as you dramatically say, but I also don't think the term "legend" should just be applied to a large group players or taken lightly. My point about "club status" wasn't meant to diminish what players from a past era did, but moreso what the standard of what a "legend" is.
Manchester Uniteds official website has Arthur Albiston listed as a club legend.
I don't think he'll be far away, a lot depends on this new 'rebuild' and maybe he might do a Bryan Robson and win the league towards the end of his time here. I know that's VERY doubtful but you never know. The FA cup win and his performance on the day adds some big credit in my opinion.
On another metric, his goal and assist numbers are fantastic, even in the worst seasons he's hitting double figures for both.
On another metric, his goal and assist numbers are fantastic, even in the worst seasons he's hitting double figures for both.
Yeah, but come on - the very list you posted highlights how absurd it is to bring sheer stats into a "legend" discussion.
Does anyone consider Martial a bigger "United legend" than Brian McClair?
(Or - say - Lou Macari if you want someone from before SAF?)
I like Bruno, nothing against him. But whether he has done enough since his arrival to make him a "legend" is very much debatable.
He's been our best player (overall) in that period - yes. But he has 100% NOT been some kind of Stevie G (and much less a Bryan Robson) figure in said period.
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What has Bruno achieved at United that Rashford hasn't? He's played fewer games and won fewer trophies than Rashford
Seems harsh but I don't think Bruno becomes a legend if we don't win the league or a champions league while hes here
And Rashford is less than 20 goals away from being in the club's top 10 all-time scorers.
I'm making an argument that it's possible to be a legend without winning the PL/English top division. The way I see it Bruno is a far, far better player than Rashford, which is why the former is a legend candidate and the latter isn't.
I kind of agree, which is why I said what makes a legend is very personal, it cannot be based on titles because, how could you be a player for a team that never wins anything and still be a legend for that club, there is no metric for how you or I feel about a player, so it is either purely subjective in which case everybody is right or you have to fall back on stats alone.
By stats alone Bruno has to be a legend, but does he feel like a legend, is a bit more difficult, he kind of feels almost like a legend, but is that because we haven't had any player come in over the last 10 years or more that have really distinguished themselves?
To be a legend I have to think of moments that warrant that status or a season will be remembered. Bruno has none that stick out as particularly impactful.
His season in 20/21 was statistically great but we fell short at every point by the end of the season. He has had moments of quality but none will stick out much in years to come.
Berbatov isn’t a legend but his season in 10/11 and hattrick vs Liverpool clears anything Bruno has done. I rank Bruno high than Berba for us obviously but I’m just pointing out that there’s nothing I can even point at to justify Bruno being a legend. As long as he’s here he still has a chance but not now.
His season in 20/21 was statistically great but we fell short at every point by the end of the season. He has had moments of quality but none will stick out much in years to come.
Berbatov isn’t a legend but his season in 10/11 and hattrick vs Liverpool clears anything Bruno has done. I rank Bruno high than Berba for us obviously but I’m just pointing out that there’s nothing I can even point at to justify Bruno being a legend. As long as he’s here he still has a chance but not now.
These assists stats aren't accurate for players whose careeres were moslty before 1992.
Bruno is a liability on big games yesterday was another example . Legend no chance , probably will go down as one of worst captains Man Utd had together with Ashley Young and Harry Maguire .
I hope he is still at the club when we win our next PL title to cement himself as a United legend. Even if it's under similar circumstances to Bryan Robson where age catches up with him and he's only a bit-part player in a title winning squad. Bruno would be a great mentor to have around the dressing room, so once his legs start going, I still think it would be a good idea keep him as a backup midfielder.
Sadly, I think it's mostly about the bolded part.
Again - nothing against Bruno. But here and now...he's an extremely weak "legend" candidate in my opinion.
But then again - the "legend" term itself is - of course - whatever you want it to be.
Some people regard Steve Bruce as a bigger "United legend" than C. Ronaldo.
(They're right, of course - but the point is that the term "legend" doesn't have a set meaning.)
Posts like this grind my geers.
Spot on, agreed.
Not sure, if I consider that as odd timing, weird, sad, funny or outwright crazy...
There you go. For most people, legends are forged in the fires of success. It's fine and well that there are different definitions and we can argue all day whether one player or the other is in the list or not but for most people, a legend is the highest possible echelon, how could Bruno be there, given where we are ranging in terms of success. People are desperate to label our players world class... Which I can see why but I always think back to the older days, when posts like such were a good source of fun... when they were taken from RAWK...
Posts like yours just as many.
If somehow we manage to win the league or the CL in the couple of years he has left here (Very unlikely), he will of course achieve the legend status. Some of you saying otherwise (in this scenario) are really just spouting stuff from your arses and are really emotional. Imagine the portuguese lifting any of those trophies and you lot still mad because he sometimes complains to his teammates when they don't pass the ball. What kind of disney world of princes as rolemodels you guys live on haha
No. Impossible. Though my bar for what constitutes a United legend is perhaps higher than some others. I'm actually astonished that the question is even being asked.
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You don't achieve Legend status for leading a Medicore team to a mid-table standing. May be possible for club like Palace or Forest, but should we expect more? On the other hand, if he manages to lead the club to a major trophy, such as CL or EPL, then possibly yes, like Moses out of wilderness.
He has been the shining light during these dark years. He would be a starter in every EPL team. He has carried us during this long and painful rebuild.
I like his passion but for me, least stinky turd in a pile of manure. A legend should be a player whose number you'd retire (in America's vein of honoring sports legends). Take away his pens, where does he rank in G/A?
Exactly. In fact, I'd cut him even more slack than you and say he doesn't have to win either of these big trophies. Just have an incredible, consistent, full season (ideally without moaning the moment things don't go his way, but that can be forgiven).
So if I say rememer "that legendary Bruno season", it means something. Or have a single high stakes match where he's just so unplayable that people remember that game almost entirely for his performance. For instance, "Kaka vs United". I don't need to explain what game I'm talking about.
I don't buy the "but he's been in a mediocre" team. Suarez tore up the league in a team that basically had some cardboard pieces for defence.
Instead, here we are talking about a good pass in a cup final.
(Debatable) Criteria for being a Man Utd legend:
1. Been with the club for 10+ years (no, he's been here for ~ 5 years)
2. Won multiple major trophies including at least 1 league title (only 1 FA Cup for Fernandes)
3. Major contribution for team success for most part of their United career (definitely yes)
4. Loved & adored by most parts of the fan base (yes)
Criteria 1 & 2 are why we don't have a ton of Untied legends from the 70s and 80s (Bryan Robson, Albiston and who else?) but we see an explosion in the 60s, 90s and 2000s.
Unfortunately, he's not a legend yet but could well be in 5 years.
1. Been with the club for 10+ years (no, he's been here for ~ 5 years)
2. Won multiple major trophies including at least 1 league title (only 1 FA Cup for Fernandes)
3. Major contribution for team success for most part of their United career (definitely yes)
4. Loved & adored by most parts of the fan base (yes)
Criteria 1 & 2 are why we don't have a ton of Untied legends from the 70s and 80s (Bryan Robson, Albiston and who else?) but we see an explosion in the 60s, 90s and 2000s.
Unfortunately, he's not a legend yet but could well be in 5 years.
Can’t really see how a constructive discussion over Bruno’s potential legend status would have any kind of tangible impact on the club.
People need to chill out. One of the many problems we have as a club is we over rate our players alot.
We need to calm down.