Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

Will be forgotten about in 5yrs.

Awful captain, awful role model in terms of his body language.

Will be remembered as being a questionable captain during a period we consistently underwhelmed and finished nowhere near the top 4.

Legend - not even close. Laughable it's being suggested. The highs this club have had and we want to glorify this guy. Come on
 
The problem for Bruno is he’s been surrounded by average and petulant players his whole United career. He was made captain purely because no one else was suitable, apart from maybe DeGea and don’t think he wanted it. In a city or Liverpool team we might have seen a completely different player and personality.
 
cyril C said:
You don't achieve Legend status for leading a Medicore team to a mid-table standing. May be possible for club like Palace or Forest, but should we expect more? On the other hand, if he manages to lead the club to a major trophy, such as CL or EPL, then possibly yes, like Moses out of wilderness.
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In Bruno's time at the club, United have finished between 2nd & 8th. In Bryan Robson's first 11 seasons at the club, United finished between 2nd and 13th.

The only league success Robson ever had was in his final two seasons at 36/37 year old, when he was already past-it as a player and made just a handful of starts.

So if Robson had retired at 35 instead of 37, he wouldn't have been a United legend in your eyes? After all, all he had done at that point is lead a mediocre team to mid-table standing. And presumably someone like Martin Buchan isn't a United legend at all given he never won a league title or European trophy?

Whatever about Bruno's standing, the completely context-free "win major trophies or you're not a legend" argument is pretty insulting to the club's history and players of the past. As it effectively argues that the only players who get to be considered United legends are those who had the luck to play in two narrow windows of success under Busby and Ferguson.
 
Craig Ward said:
Will be forgotten about in 5yrs.

Awful captain, awful role model in terms of his body language.

Will be remembered as being a questionable captain during a period we consistently underwhelmed and finished nowhere near the top 4.

Legend - not even close. Laughable it's being suggested. The highs this club have had and we want to glorify this guy. Come on
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The only people suggesting it are the ones who've not actually seen our successful periods. Because the players we had then are on a different stratosphere to Bruno.

I don't mean that as a disrespect, but I can't see in my head how Bruno can be put anywhere near the same pedestal as the likes of Rooney, Rio, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Keane etc.

He's also been part of some of our worst and most disgraceful performances in the last 30 years. Especially the 7-0.
 
sullydnl said:
In Bruno's time at the club, United have finished between 2nd & 8th. In Bryan Robson's first 11 seasons at the club, United finished between 2nd and 13th.

The only league success Robson ever had was in his final two seasons at 36/37 year old, when he was already past-it as a player and made just a handful of starts.

So if Robson had retired at 35 instead of 37, he wouldn't have been a United legend in your eyes? After all, all he had done at that point is lead a mediocre team to mid-table standing. And presumably someone like Martin Buchan isn't a United legend at all given he never won a league title or Euorpean trophy?

Whatever about Bruno's standing, the completely context-free "win major trophies or you're not a legend" argument is pretty insulting to the club's history and players of the past. As it effectively argues that the only players who get to be considered United legends are those who had the luck to play in two narrow windows of success under Busby and Ferguson.
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Spot on! Great post!
Shouldn't even have to be explained tbf.
Although obvious there are many people on here who have an agenda against him. They'll continue slagging him off regardless. As for the people who consider him not legend status, imv are missing a very important ingredient when assessing Bruno as a utd legend.
 
sullydnl said:
In Bruno's time at the club, United have finished between 2nd & 8th. In Bryan Robson's first 11 seasons at the club, United finished between 2nd and 13th.

The only league success Robson ever had was in his final two seasons at 36/37 year old, when he was already past-it as a player and made just a handful of starts.

So if Robson had retired at 35 instead of 37, he wouldn't have been a United legend in your eyes? After all, all he had done at that point is lead a mediocre team to mid-table standing. And presumably someone like Martin Buchan isn't a United legend at all given he never won a league title or European trophy?

Whatever about Bruno's standing, the completely context-free "win major trophies or you're not a legend" argument is pretty insulting to the club's history and players of the past. As it effectively argues that the only players who get to be considered United legends are those who had the luck to play in two narrow windows of success under Busby and Ferguson.
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Martin who? I can still remember Robson, but some fans don't know him at all.

If you don't use major trophy as a benchmark for Legend, what do you use? Nationality? No. of shirts sold under his name? How many legs broken? Don't want to use goals as benchmark because that would be unfair to other non-attacking "Legend". If just being Captain is qualified, so should Valencia, Young
 
cyril C said:
Martin who? I can still remember Robson, but some fans don't know him at all.

If you don't use major trophy as a benchmark for Legend, what do you use? Nationality? No. of shirts sold under his name? How many legs broken? Don't want to use goals as benchmark because that would be unfair to other non-attacking "Legend". If just being Captain is qualified, so should Valencia, Young
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G+A, chances created, distance covered per game, presses per game. Consistent performances on these metrics while surrounded by average / not hard working players.
 
depends how many legends you think there are . are there only 7/8 legends in history of the club? then he's not getting in. Are there 50? then he is
 
Nah. He's a poor captain and brings chaos to the team. The question is only brought up because he stands out as our best player relative to the mountain of rubbish we've bought over the past decade
 
Unless there is a huge turn around in the team he will be remembered as the best player in our worst period...... Make of that what you will.
 
He's a legend in my eyes. The only enjoyable player to watch post SAF and there's something so nostalgic in his play that reminds me of the footballers of the 90's and early 00's.

And the fact that his presence in the side generally annoys the majority of fans on the Caf.
 
dubplate warrior said:
The only people suggesting it are the ones who've not actually seen our successful periods. Because the players we had then are on a different stratosphere to Bruno.

I don't mean that as a disrespect, but I can't see in my head how Bruno can be put anywhere near the same pedestal as the likes of Rooney, Rio, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Keane etc.

He's also been part of some of our worst and most disgraceful performances in the last 30 years. Especially the 7-0.
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Can he be put in the same sentence as robson?
 
cyril C said:
Martin who?
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Martin Buchan captained the club for six years, made 456 appearances for the club and was (as the "Legends" section of the club's website states) arguably United's most influential player for a decade.

I would argue that people who don't know who the likes of Buchan or (especially) Robson are aren't really in a position to judge whether others players are/aren't United legends. These aren't particularly obscure players from our past.
 
cyril C said:
Martin who? I can still remember Robson, but some fans don't know him at all.

If you don't use major trophy as a benchmark for Legend, what do you use? Nationality? No. of shirts sold under his name? How many legs broken? Don't want to use goals as benchmark because that would be unfair to other non-attacking "Legend". If just being Captain is qualified, so should Valencia, Young
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Buchan was one of my first favourites.
Loved him and Pearson in the 70s.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Can he be put in the same sentence as robson?
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Fair question.

Maybe I'm nostalgic because I was a kid then, and look at football in a different way now. But Robson was incredible and there was never a debate about whether he held the team back or not.

He was also our longest ever serving captain.
 
sullydnl said:
the completely context-free "win major trophies or you're not a legend" argument is pretty insulting to the club's history and players of the past.
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It's really dumb, but it's also clear why people cling to that. It's really the only "argument" to not put Bruno in the legend category. There has been a collective mental breakdown among some fans post Fergie. There is a refusal to accept that anything good or worthwhile has happened since he left. And because the team has largely underperformed then it must also mean that every player has been a waste of space. People are even rewriting De Gea's history now. If he didn't win a PL trophy under Fergie then some posters would probably rate him below Barthez.
 
He won't. He's a good player but there is nothing that he has been a part of with us that would make him a legend.
 
sullydnl said:
Martin Buchan captained the club for six years, made 456 appearances for the club and was (as the "Legends" section of the club's website states) arguably United's most influential player for a decade.

I would argue that people who don't know who the likes of Buchan or (especially) Robson are aren't really in a position to judge whether others players are/aren't United legends. These aren't particularly obscure players from our past.
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Harsh, Buchan was a centre back in the 70s for a poor United. I'd also argue he wouldn't be in most people's top 20 players of all for United.

I wouldn't expect most fans to know about him unless they're a little on the older side.
 
Scandi Red said:
It's really dumb, but it's also clear why people cling to that. It's really the only "argument" to not put Bruno in the legend category. There has been a collective mental breakdown among some fans post Fergie. There is a refusal to accept that anything good or worthwhile has happened since he left. And because the team has largely underperformed then it must also mean that every player has been a waste of space. People are even rewriting De Gea's history now. If he didn't win a PL trophy with Fergie then some posters would probably rate him below Barthez.
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Exactly.
 
flameinthesun said:
He won't. He's a good player but there is nothing that he has been a part of with us that would make him a legend.
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All that's becoming clear to me here is that people have different definitions of what a legend is.

In my opinion being a legend means you have to be amongst our best ever players.

You have others on here who simply think you have to be good for a period of time to be considered a legend. Fair enough.
 
I don't think he's there just yet but he can get there.

As it stands, he'll be remembered fondly but not as a legend if he was to leave in the summer. Just thinking of some previous attackers, he probably fits in a bracket in and around Valencia, Young and Nani. I don't consider any of them to be legends but all respectable careers at United and I'm sure they will all be remembered well.
 
saivet said:
I don't think he's there just yet but he can get there.

As it stands, he'll be remembered fondly but not as a legend if he was to leave in the summer. Just thinking of some previous attackers, he probably fits in a bracket in and around Valencia, Young and Nani. I don't consider any of them to be legends but all respectable careers at United and I'm sure they will all be remembered well.
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I think he's a tier down from the other two guys you've mentioned.
 
cyril C said:
You don't achieve Legend status for leading a Medicore team to a mid-table standing. May be possible for club like Palace or Forest, but should we expect more? On the other hand, if he manages to lead the club to a major trophy, such as CL or EPL, then possibly yes, like Moses out of wilderness.
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Worth elaborating this statement, and clarify the thread. There is a difference between Legend as a Player, and Legend as Captain.

Bruno's skill, impact, and contribution, was nowhere near Giggs or Scholes, as individual player. Possibly even worse than Beckham IMO. Will he ever remember as the 1 of the greatest player of our time? As some of you said, probably forgotten in 5 years.

Bruno as Captain, can only be measured based on Club success. To me, Steve Bruce was a better Captain than Bruno, not the most silky player of course.
 
cyril C said:
Worth elaborating this statement, and clarify the thread. There is a difference between Legend as a Player, and Legend as Captain.

Bruno's skill, impact, and contribution, was nowhere near Giggs or Scholes, as individual player. Possibly even worse than Beckham IMO. Will he ever remember as the 1 of the greatest player of our time? As some of you said, probably forgotten in 5 years.

Bruno as Captain, can only be measured based on Club success. To me, Steve Bruce was a better Captain than Bruno, not the most silky player of course.
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Bruno is definitely 100 million percent a worse player than Beckham.
 
Craig Ward said:
Will be forgotten about in 5yrs.

Awful captain, awful role model in terms of his body language.

Will be remembered as being a questionable captain during a period we consistently underwhelmed and finished nowhere near the top 4.

Legend - not even close. Laughable it's being suggested. The highs this club have had and we want to glorify this guy. Come on
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Would agree this
 
Up until now, he won't go down as a United legend but, who knows what happens in the next year or two that will change a lot of people's mind because "legend" status is measure in so many ways, none more so than leading to club a league or CL title.

As a captain, leader, for what this club has been through the last few years, he is an tremendous leader. There have been failings on his part in some big games but, day to day, game to game he does everything not only for the club but, you can see it in the way he props up each of the players, especially the younger ones. The post match with Amad this past weekend is a norm, he has his jokes, knows that Amad's English is not great but, is great in other languages and makes a point of it. He is also following the manager's lead in helping temper the expectations being placed on Amad and at same time challenging Amad to not rest on this but, to keep producing. And another thing as a leader he did was he called out Ugarte's monster performance because he knew everyone was going to be fawning over Amad due to the result - that's great leadership and it's something he has done consistently through his time here is to show appreciation to players/performances that will for most go unnoticed.

No matter what happens, will always remember him with the highest esteem even though some of his antics do get on my nerves.
 
Ok so what is needed to warrant legendary status at a club like utd?
People talk about aspects such as:
Longevity, trophies, stats (goals assists etc), individual awards etc.
As so many have already highlighted, the trophy box is not ticked in Bruno's case and therefore he doesn't qualify.
In my view the reason for that is because of his loyalty towards the club. He's certainly regarded as within top 10 attacking midfielders in world football and could have won trophies elsewhere. So bring his loyalty into the picture then it's a no brainer for me.
LEGEND
 
Is it possible for ANYONE to gain a legend status in the barren years? If he delivers goals and assists consistently over next 3-4 seasons and we win something major, he's in with a shout.
 
He’s like Nani and will be remembered for being better than he actually was. That said they were both good custodians though not close to legends.
 
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