I was referring to the constant speculation on here that Nani is off.
Personally I think selling Nani would be a monumental feck up and Fergie isn't stupid.
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I was referring to the constant speculation on here that Nani is off.
Personally I think selling Nani would be a monumental feck up and Fergie isn't stupid.
I also don't see how signing Zaha is proof Nani is off. Despite varying levels of quality, we've always had 4 wingers available in the first team over the last 5/6 seasons. Now, admittedly, that list may have included shining lights such as Obertan, Bebe, Park and a somewhat geriatric Giggs, but it was still the case.
At present we have Valencia, Nani, Young and - last performance aside - the geriatric and soon to be retiring Giggs. I follow the reserves a fair bit, and the one position we have virtually no talent in is on the wings. So that's not an option.
Fergie has always loved a pacy, direct winger - and perhaps more impotantly loved to have that option to come on off the bench. If one of our actual wingers in injured, we lose that and have to stick Kagawa/Welbeck out wide to do a job.
With Zaha, Valencia, Young AND Nani, we'd be covered like all other positions. (except central midfield, of course)
At present we have Valencia, Nani, Young and - last performance aside - the geriatric and soon to be retiring Giggs. I follow the reserves a fair bit, and the one position we have virtually no talent in is on the wings. So that's not an option.
Fergie has always loved a pacy, direct winger - and perhaps more impotantly loved to have that option to come on off the bench. If one of our actual wingers in injured, we lose that and have to stick Kagawa/Welbeck out wide to do a job.
With Zaha, Valencia, Young AND Nani, we'd be covered like all other positions. (except central midfield, of course)
So, have we bought him yet?
A lot of talk about Bale, Ox but nothing substantial for Zaha.
I haven't watched him more than 2-3 games to be honest, so I don't know what to expect from him. Talented winger with skills is about as much as I know. 15m seems steep for a player coming from the Championship.
A lot of talk about Bale, Ox but nothing substantial for Zaha.
I haven't watched him more than 2-3 games to be honest, so I don't know what to expect from him. Talented winger with skills is about as much as I know. 15m seems steep for a player coming from the Championship.
It's not fecking £15m. Worst case scenario it's £15m with add-ons included and if it goes that high then it means he'll have been excellent for us. Most sources have been quoting £12m as Palace's asking price and that's how much it's probably going to be, with add-ons contributing around a third of that I reckon.
£15m seems a bit steep; is he really worth that much?
Ouch 15 million, what a sting
12 or 15 is about the same mate. Even 12m is a bit steep for a player coming from the Championship.
This is like the Ashley Young signing with people just making up figures, Young was apparently 20m and 120k a week at one stage.
We can't afford 15m ffs. We need to think about our finances.
If SAF and our scouts think that he's worth a 15m investment and we're willing to pay it, well then he must have some top potential. I don't know why some posters on here must act like they know everything about value in the transfer market.
I'm pretty sure SAF, The Glazers and Gill are a bit more clued in about our finances then you, Summit.
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Based on his outstanding performances for Southampton of course. And that's why Fergie tried to sign him at the time.
Had Bale been English there's no doubt he would have been capped for England many times.
Zaha being "capped for England" (at senior level) amounts so far to playing for just 17 minutes plus stoppage time, in a friendly, replacing another debutant. He may well get further chances, but there's not much to reasonably read into his future possble England career as yet.
I've no real opinion on Zaha as a player or on his potential, as I've barely seen him play. And compared to Spurs, MUFC can much better afford to take this type of punt for £15m and, who really knows, it might pay big dividends.
No, it's not. If you buy a player for £15m up front he's rather expensive (very expensive given the level he's playing at). If you buy him for £12m, of which £7m or £8m is paid up front and the rest is based on players future performance and contribution to the team, and factor in his wages which will be rather small, it's a decent price.
£15m! Bloody hell, that's a lot to pay!
Can everybody stop indulging Glaston please?
He's only here because his team is in good form. He will go AWOL when Spurs lose their next match.
He's only here because his team is in good form. He will go AWOL when Spurs lose their next match.
He wouldn't have even been considered.
He was 17, playing in the Championship mainly at left back, his competition would have been Ashley Cole.£12m? I'm cool with that.
Not a penny more than £12.75m.
Zaha is being overrated by 20% here, lads; we can't let this happen.
37 pages and we haven't even bought him yet. I hope we restart the thread when/if we sign him!
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I'd pay £12.87m for him, not a penny more. Perhaps £12.95m. He's just not worth any more than that, it's not as if he's in his teens anymore with time on his side; £13m tops; certainly not 15% more than that.
From Twitter, but the Twitter of a Palace Trust board member: Zaha deal to Man Utd reported to be done: 10m up front + 5m based on apps,3m of which very achievable,plus loan back to end of season
Chat also that Powell on loan might be part of the deal. Would be good for all parties imo.
Chat also that Powell on loan might be part of the deal. Would be good for all parties imo.
I fear we're just getting sucked into the hype and massively over paying.
10 rising to 15 isn't that bad tbh. Apparently he is now saying he will transfer officially in the summer and not be on loan. We'll have that agreement.
Bebe was an absolute fail for us. I seriously doubt Fergie will do it again by just "going by hype" and signing him just because of it.
If we are indeed signing him, it's because we've scouted him well enough and genuinely believe that he could become an awesome player for us.
10m for an English player isnt much of a gamble.
Jarvis cost West Ham over 10m after Wolves were relegated.
Unless he is an absolute disaster, we'll get most if not all our money back in the future..
And a lot of people seem to rate him very highly. He'll probably do pretty well for us.
Jarvis cost West Ham over 10m after Wolves were relegated.
Unless he is an absolute disaster, we'll get most if not all our money back in the future..
And a lot of people seem to rate him very highly. He'll probably do pretty well for us.
Bebe should not be compared to anyone. That situation was absurd and should not be attempted to be understood by the rules of reason.
Eh? So you think Gill and co have picked up the papers and trawled through youtube looking for an excuse to buy the guy? If this football club bought off the back of hype, we'd be the proud owners of Jordan Henderson by now.
I'm surprised how many people are making this kinda suggestion. Ferguson doesn't go for hype; he researches his future employees right down to their family background and makes sure they're United. Not all transfers come off but I think it's crazy to think "hype" plays any part in SAF's decision making.
Well exactly. Fergie basically signed him simply because Quieroz told him to. Fergie clearly believed him without any knowledge - and it failed.
Fergie wouldn't do that again. Hence why I'm sure he's done his research on this one.
Bebe didn't even have any hype tbh.
See above.
This kid must be good his price seems to rise 20% daily - could teach the stockbrokers a thing or two!
I'd laugh if we actually ended getting him for about £3m and the media just went way over the top.
£10m up front is a bloody good deal though and we'll only pay the add-ons if he's a decent player and gets the appearances / trophies required.
£10m up front is a bloody good deal though and we'll only pay the add-ons if he's a decent player and gets the appearances / trophies required.
Have we signed him yet? I was promised by the Mail we'd sign him today.
I'm convinced there was something dodgy in that transfer; I just can't fathom how a club can take minimum 7m for a footballer as bad as he is and it's a mystery why he's still on our books.
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