Wilfried Zaha

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JP77 said:
This don't half annoy me when people say this. Just because it's not our money doesn't mean many fans want us going out and just throwing money around like it doesn't matter. Maybe some fans actually, ya know, give a shit about the club and the way we handle business?

For some bizarre reason there's people out there that always peddle the "Who gives a shit if we throw 50 million at a player, it's not our money!". It might not be my money, but personally I give a shit about what we do with the money we have within the club and the way we use it. Hey, some people are different, if you don't then that's your choice, but to say it doesn't matter is just silly.

That's not really regarding this transfer either. IF we brought him for around 15 million, then there wont be any complaints from me. Just this same old thing about money is peddled out on a regular basis by some of our fans that don't seem to give a shit what we do with the money the club has.
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I would say that the financial department of Man Utd are more on top of the finances than we are. If United bid X amount for a player, then I'm sure United have taken everything into consideration on how much the deal will cost and if we will be able to afford it, or not.

So really, why should we care? If United place a bid in for someone, then you can have a good guess that we can afford to do so.
 
Cina said:
Oh good lord, read my post, I didn't say anything about Zaha, I didn't say "we laugh at other clubs but we're going to sign Zaha for 15 bazillion pounds and now they'll lol at us mate rofl!"
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They might do at first. But I think we will be having the last laugh on this one. Most probably at some point down the line, those same fans that were laughing, will probably turn around and say he was a steal.
 
Brwned said:
Weren't Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain ~£12m each?
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:lol: Already answered that in the newbies thread.

Bit of a low blow to try and quote that in here though Brwned, seeing as it has no relevance to what I said.

Summit said:
They might do at first. But I think we will be having the last laugh on this one. Most probably at some point down the line, those same fans that were laughing, will probably turn around and say he was a steal.
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Mayhaps we will. Hard to know.
 
He probably won't fecking sign after all this. :lol:
 
There's a few interesting players in the Championship. Zaha, Redmond, Hughes, Butland, Ince, Hoban, Byram, Stones and Newell.
 
Hate seeing this thread bumped with constant debates on whether or not he's good enough for us.

If Fergies believes he is, then there's a very good chance that he is. His record with British players tends to be great.
 
Cina said:
:lol: Already answered that in the newbies thread.

Bit of a low blow to try and quote that in here though Brwned, seeing as it has no relevance to what I said.



Mayhaps we will. Hard to know.
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I've not read the newbies thread, I just thought they were relevant examples because they show that's the going rate for the most promising English attackers in the Championship. Certainly the prices are inflated but the same is true of Jones or Rio. We've always had to just accept that British tax to get the best.
 
Brwned said:
I've not read the newbies thread, I just thought they were relevant examples because they show that's the going rate for the most promising English attackers in the Championship. Certainly the prices are inflated but the same is true of Jones or Rio. We've always had to just accept that British tax to get the best.
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Then why quote it? Certainly had no issues finding that post given you haven't read the thread.

The whole point of that post was in relation to what you've said, that British players are overpriced, which was basically my post before that one.

It was a silly quote, really.
 
The other thing about Walcott and Ox, didn't Arsenal snap them pretty early, as soon as the hype started? Zaha has been a Palace regular and hyped up for a while now hasn't he?
 
Cina said:
Oh good lord, read my post, I didn't say anything about Zaha, I didn't say "we laugh at other clubs but we're going to sign Zaha for 15 bazillion pounds and now they'll lol at us mate rofl!"
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I'm confused.

If you were not referring to the possible Zaha fee then what are you on about?
 
Jaybezia said:
You think £30 million pounds would convince them to sell Gotze?

EDIT: Damn you giggs, beat me to it.
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Pounds relatively strong against the Euro so why not? :)

The point still stands, £15m is a hell of a lot for a championship player when your approaching that about of money it becomes more than just a punt on a player.

I'd much rather we spend the extra (and we well have extra with the new TV deal coming in) and go for a talented youngster with CL experience or at least top flight experiance in one of Europe's big leagues.
 
If Gareth Bale was still at Southampton and as good as he is now, Would he still join Spurs? No fecking chance. He'd be on the next train to Manchester and deciding whether he was a Red or a Blue on the way.

If Thierry Henry had been at the peak of his game as a 21 year old for Juventus, would he have joined Arsenal?

My point is, if United - who have likely been scouting him since United vs Palace - feel he has the potential to live up to those expectations, then I trust them completely. We don't generally scout players for a long period and then feck up with them. Bebe was a bit of a freak occurrence.

Didn't Spurs and Arsenal complain that they had overpaid for Bale and Henry when they first signed them?! As memory serves, they were pretty pissed about it. And the Chelsea fans were outraged when they first signed Lampard. They thought he was overrated as sin. Look at them now.
 
I_live_cement said:
I'm confused.

If you were not referring to the possible Zaha fee then what are you on about?
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It was merely a dig at those who laugh at other clubs paying astronomical fees for players yet when we are linked with or buy players for clearly overinflated fees they seem to have absolutely no qualms about doing so.
 
It's because more often than not, we get it right.
Look at our transfer dealings ever since the Vida/Evra/VDS/Park/Heinze days.
We laugh at them because they pay so much and those players don't perform. With Zaha, lets wait and see before laughing at the price. Walcott, Ox, Bale went for quite a bit of money from there too right?

And Cina..if Zaha is Portuguese, you would probably be over the moon probably.
 
Wan said:
It's because more often than not, we get it right.
Look at our transfer dealings ever since the Vida/Evra/VDS/Park/Heinze days.
We laugh at them because they pay so much and those players don't perform. With Zaha, lets wait and see before laughing at the price. Walcott, Ox, Bale went for quite a bit of money from there too right?

And Cina..if Zaha is Portuguese, you would probably be over the moon probably.
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Probably right.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If Gareth Bale was still at Southampton and as good as he is now, Would he still join Spurs? No fecking chance. He'd be on the next train to Manchester and deciding whether he was a Red or a Blue on the way.

If Thierry Henry had been at the peak of his game as a 21 year old for Juventus, would he have joined Arsenal?

My point is, if United - who have likely been scouting him since United vs Palace - feel he has the potential to live up to those expectations, then I trust them completely. We don't generally scout players for a long period and then feck up with them. Bebe was a bit of a freak occurrence.

Didn't Spurs and Arsenal complain that they had overpaid for Bale and Henry when they first signed them?! As memory serves, they were pretty pissed about it. And the Chelsea fans were outraged when they first signed Lampard. They thought he was overrated as sin. Look at them now.
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Our own fans argued that we overpaid for CR and said we bought the wrong winger. Many complained about Carrick's fee too. Rio vs Nesta/Cannavaro etc. Even VDS! They'll always have something to complain about.
 
Summit said:
I would say that the financial department of Man Utd are more on top of the finances than we are. If United bid X amount for a player, then I'm sure United have taken everything into consideration on how much the deal will cost and if we will be able to afford it, or not.

So really, why should we care? If United place a bid in for someone, then you can have a good guess that we can afford to do so.
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Spot on that.

I of course want the club to be financially stable and to exist long into the future, but I'm not really overly concerned that the club would mortgage its future buying an 20 year old.

I think the club knows what its doing in that respect. And the sums quoted are hardly fortunes anyway.
 
Wan said:
It's because more often than not, we get it right.
Look at our transfer dealings ever since the Vida/Evra/VDS/Park/Heinze days.
We laugh at them because they pay so much and those players don't perform. With Zaha, lets wait and see before laughing at the price. Walcott, Ox, Bale went for quite a bit of money from there too right?

And Cina..if Zaha is Portuguese, you would probably be over the moon probably.
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I really wouldn't, because I don't watch the Portuguese league much and wouldn't be able to judge how good the player is.

Also, the bolded part, wasn't that sort of my point? Fans on here have no problem laughing at what other clubs pay for players yet as soon as someone on here suggests anything like that about one we sign, everyone jumps on them and rambles on about how transfer fees are irrelevant and we should wait and see what happens first.
 
IrishLegend said:
Pounds relatively strong against the Euro so why not? :)

The point still stands, £15m is a hell of a lot for a championship player when your approaching that about of money it becomes more than just a punt on a player.

I'd much rather we spend the extra (and we well have extra with the new TV deal coming in) and go for a talented youngster with CL experience or at least top flight experiance in one of Europe's big leagues.
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Didnt see anyone on here kicking up a big fuss when 'League one' Ox-Chamberlin went to Arsenal. He hasn't even blown up trees this season and people dont mention the price. £15m is decent.
 
Ekeke said:
We will definitely go bust if we pay more than £12 million for Zaha. You heard it here first
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Good thing we conjured up 3-4 new marketing deals this week that will probably cover the amount we pay for him :)
 
Brwned said:
I've not read the newbies thread, I just thought they were relevant examples because they show that's the going rate for the most promising English attackers in the Championship. Certainly the prices are inflated but the same is true of Jones or Rio. We've always had to just accept that British tax to get the best.
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Off the top of my head, Walcott was 16 and Chamberlain 17, so they were bound to get better. Zaha is already 20, so big improvement is not guaranteed. The vagaries of individual player development can't easily be predicted of course.

Bottom line is we have to trust the professionals. If they believe he's worth the cash, he likely is. I personally would like us to bring in some proven quality though. As posters have said, there's a lot of good players in Spain.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
.... Didn't Spurs and Arsenal complain that they had overpaid for Bale and Henry when they first signed them?! As memory serves, they were pretty pissed about it. ...
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Then your memory is faulty. I don't know of any Spurs fans who complained about having overpaid for Bale.

But then Bale ending up costing £7m* compared to the mooted £15m for Zaha. And Bale was pretty much THE standout prospect in the Championship League, whilst I'm not sure the same can be said about Zaha.

* The original price was £10m, comprised of an initial 5m plus 5m of possible add-ons. But the extra 5m was reduced: S'hampton accepted a lesser sum of 2m to be paid immediately, mainly because they were very cash strapped.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Then your memory is faulty. I don't know of any Spurs fans who complained about having overpaid for Bale.

But then Bale ending up costing £7m* compared to the mooted £15m for Zaha. And Bale was pretty much THE standout prospect in the Championship League, whilst I'm not sure the same can be said about Zaha.

* The original price was £10m, comprised of an initial 5m plus 5m of possible add-ons. But the extra 5m was reduced: S'hampton accepted a lesser sum of 2m to be paid immediately, mainly because they were very cash strapped.
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How long ago did you buy Bale? You have to obviously take inflation into account but that's amazing value really but could have gone the other way obviously...
 
Everest Red said:
IIRC Carrick felt like a consolation prize for losing out on Hargreaves.
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We signed Carrick before we were linked with Hargreaves. Hargreaves hype began after the World Cup where he had one good performance against Portugal, I remember us being strongly linked with Carrick before England even started their World Cup campaign.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Summer 2007.
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Nearly 6 years ago now... that 7 million I think would be more than 15 now, still amazing business obviously...

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I think we should be bothered about the price of a player. I cannot understand when other people here seem to think its irrelevant as if the club will spend it, lets enjoy what its spent on, rather than worry about the cost when compared to ability. I believe the amount paid is important, how do you otherwise reflect how much of a success that purchase has been? Andy Carrol as we all know cost £35 million, which was a horrible deal because of his ability, if however, he cost £7 million, that would then be considered a good deal, therefore price of a player is important.
 
Jaybezia said:
BUt I think we should be bothered about the price, it is relevant... I don't understand people who say 'why do you care?', 'its not your money' and fair enough, but then how do you rate someone as successful? Usually its against their value, See AC bought for 35mil, if it was 7 million, wouldn't have been a bad deal.. So the price DOES matter when weighing up Zaha or any player
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I'm sorry but, even though I think must this sort of agree with what I'm saying, I can't figure out anything from it, it makes no sense.
 
Will Absolute said:
Wasn't Bale regarded as a disappointment for the first year or two?
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Not really. You have to remember that he was only 17 at the time, and I reckon most Spurs fans could see his potential right from the start.

He did though get stuck for a while with the media tag of being 'cursed' .... of Spurs never winning a game when he started for them. But that had little to do with his performances.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Then your memory is faulty. I don't know of any Spurs fans who complained about having overpaid for Bale.

But then Bale ending up costing £7m* compared to the mooted £15m for Zaha. And Bale was pretty much THE standout prospect in the Championship League, whilst I'm not sure the same can be said about Zaha.

* The original price was £10m, comprised of an initial 5m plus 5m of possible add-ons. But the extra 5m was reduced: S'hampton accepted a lesser sum of 2m to be paid immediately, mainly because they were very cash strapped.
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So it was £10m with add-ons initially whereas Zaha has been quoted at £12m including add-ons by most sources. It's not really that far off, obviously Bale was a better prospect at the time but then again Zaha should probably come good too.
 
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