Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace

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Well...if it happens i'll be happy for Zaha at least. He really needs to play; ideally at a Prem club. Looks like all parties will benefit.
 
Decotron said:
What are your thoughts on him generally?

I wasnt too impressed when we signed him orignally, if anything less so now. Id send him on loan asap if id my way.

The London rumours (which have been around for a long time now) obviously had some truth to them.
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I think he has a lot talent but the situation has to be specifically tailored for him to show it, and that's his shortcoming. Not every club will accommodate him like Palace did, especially not a big club like United.

His time here has been torrid, if he can get over this adversity I think it will make him. Kind of did it when he went on tour in the summer, the talk was he would be going on loan straight away, changed Moyes' mind with his performances and will need to do it again at a higher level.

Think he needs a loan badly to get some football and to restore his confidence if he performs.
 
CLK_FPC said:
I think he has a lot talent but the situation has to be specifically tailored for him to show it, and that's his shortcoming. Not every club will accommodate him like Palace did, especially not a big club like United.

His time here has been torrid, if he can get over this adversity I think it will make him. Kind of did it when he went on tour in the summer, the talk was he would be going on loan straight away, changed Moyes' mind with his performances and will need to do it again at a higher level.

Think he needs a loan badly to get some football and to restore his confidence if he performs.
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Ole always had a great head on his shoulders and is the type that players will listen to. I reckon he'd be perfect for him right now. He defo needs an arm around the shoulder at the moment.

Interesting point about Palace and their set up.
 
CLK_FPC said:
I think he has a lot talent but the situation has to be specifically tailored for him to show it, and that's his shortcoming. Not every club will accommodate him like Palace did, especially not a big club like United.

His time here has been torrid, if he can get over this adversity I think it will make him. Kind of did it when he went on tour in the summer, the talk was he would be going on loan straight away, changed Moyes' mind with his performances and will need to do it again at a higher level.

Think he needs a loan badly to get some football and to restore his confidence if he performs.
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Definitely. Part of his problem now seems to be that he knows chances to impress are few and far between and he's wound too tightly because of it. He played with an ease and grace last season - when he was the first name on the team sheet - which we've yet to see from him in United colors.
 
Apparently spotted in the Trafford centre with Lauren Moyes....
 
Obviously I am not sure what has gone on behind closed doors but where you consider both our performances in the cups this season it does seem very strange that he has not got a look in. The game against Sunderland the other night would have been an ideal one for him to start or at least come on and influence in the later stages and instead we saw nothing.

It does seem there is some truth in his poor work rate in training which is sad. He should be buzzing to be at the club and determined to show his worth. Strange situation that hopefully a loan move will fix.
 
yeah, I'm going to hold off blaming the player and if he starts to blossom at Cardiff then it'll raise questions about our decision making, if not, it's probably a logical decision to not have given him any chances whatsoever this season

I hope he fecking tears it up there
 
My guess is he'll play left wing for them. Noone has been playing really well on the right this season. This is a great move for him and us.
 
Tarrou said:
My guess is he'll play left wing for them. Noone has been playing really well on the right this season. This is a great move for him and us.
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Well if no one has been playing really well on the right, then Cardiff should give Zaha a chance there

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This been posted yet? Holloway's column in the Mirror:

When Wilfried Zaha signed for Manchester United in a £15million deal last year, he must have thought he had really made the big time.

I wish now that I had taken him to one side after a Crystal Palace training session and warned him that it wasn’t the end of his journey to the top of the game, it was just the first step.

Wilf is joining Cardiff on loan after playing just 28 minutes of Premier League football in five months at the champions under David Moyes.

No doubt, some people will now label the lad a waste of money. But I will tell Sunday Mirror Sport readers exactly what I told Sir Alex Ferguson when I rang the great man last January to ask whether United’s interest in the England winger was serious:

Wilf has got the world at his feet.

At the age of 21, he has more natural talent than any footballer I have played with or managed during a lifetime in the game. What he has got to prove now is that he also has the temperament.

Wilf has only one person to blame for the fact that his only start in the famous red shirt so far was a Capital Cup tie against Norwich in October: Himself.

He hasn’t been a regular in the United team simply because he hasn’t done what his manager has demanded from him.

There are plenty of excuses for Wilf to fall back on – and I know, from experience, that footballers love an excuse.

Sir Alex has retired and his successor is guiding the club through a turbulent transitional period. Or perhaps David Moyes doesn’t recognise Wilf’s potential in the way that Fergie did. That’s a cop-out, as far as I’m concerned.

When Moyes took over at Old Trafford, every single player had the same chance to prove their worth to the new manager, whether that be on the training ground or on the pitch.

Unfortunately for the player I managed at Palace, one of those who answered the door when opportunity came knocking was Adnan Januzaj, an equally precocious talent who operates in the same areas of the pitch as Wilf.

At 18, Januzaj doesn’t have the experience that Wilf has built up over 124 games for Palace and two appearances for England. But the kid certainly has an attitude that has made Moysey sit up and take notice.

Januzaj has been absolutely compelling during what has been a difficult season for the defending champions. He has made it impossible for his manager to leave
him out.

Wilf has gone from being a big fish in the small pond of the Championship and is now a minnow in the shark-infested waters of the Premier League.

And it’s been a struggle.

I hope he uses his sabbatical in South Wales to show United exactly what they are missing. Believe me, he is one helluva player. And he is also a terrific lad, a manager’s dream, in my experience.

So, I was surprised by reports during the week that he had been dropped to the bench for a reserve game because he turned up late.

That isn’t the Wilfried Zaha I know and I am sure that he would not have shown such a lack of respect to his club on purpose. But, as a manager, I can’t condone any player failing to get to a game on time.

And, again, it’s all about attitude. Or lack of attitude.

I will always be grateful to Wilf for the role he played in helping Palace to win promotion to the top flight when I was the manager at Selhurst Park.

And that’s why I have his best intentions at heart when I say the time has come for him to take stock of his life and career and grow up a little bit.

Because, believe me, there is nothing more tragic than unfulfilled potential.
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Thanks for that Mel. I think this bit...

And he is also a terrific lad, a manager’s dream, in my experience.

So, I was surprised by reports during the week that he had been dropped to the bench for a reserve game because he turned up late.

That isn’t the Wilfried Zaha I know and I am sure that he would not have shown such a lack of respect to his club on purpose. But, as a manager, I can’t condone any player failing to get to a game on time.
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...puts a lot of the rumours about his past behaviour and acting like a big shot in London to bed. A managers dream isn't how you'd describe a billy big bollocks trouble maker.

I always liked Holloway and it's stuff like this that's why.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Thanks for that Mel. I think this bit...



...puts a lot of the rumours about his past behaviour and acting like a big shot in London to bed. A managers dream isn't how you'd describe a billy big bollocks trouble maker.

I always liked Holloway and it's stuff like this that's why.
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Good point. Reinforces what he said about Zaha thinking he had made it already because he signed for United. In any case, should shut up those clamouring for him to be played over Valencia. You simply can't get away with that attitude at Manchester United.

Interesting how highly Holloway rates him though.
 
Nice article by Holloway, that. I'm glad Zaha's going to Cardiff on loan, just because I think Ole will be a good manager for getting the best out of him for the rest of the season.
 
Really good article from Holloway. I fancy Zaha to do very well at Cardiff. Ole is making some cracking moves in the market.
 
Seen what I could of him for the under 21s, and I think his problem has been trying too hard to impress.
If I'm screaming at the telly, "Release the ball! Pass it!" The coaching staff must be pulling their hair out.
He needs to learn to play for the team, and Ole is the perfect man to molde him.
 
verminater said:
Seen what I could of him for the under 21s, and I think his problem has been trying too hard to impress.
If I'm screaming at the telly, "Release the ball! Pass it!" The coaching staff must be pulling their hair out.
He needs to learn to play for the team, and Ole is the perfect man to molde him.
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I disagree. I think he's been given the license to express himself for the u21s and that's why we see him trying so much. And I dont mind that, I'm happy for him to get the practice in a u21s match.
 
My impression is that he's been trying a bit too hard to try and impress Moyes in the reserve matches, when actually if he simplified things he'd probably have a better chance of been selected for the first team. You don't want to take away the natural flair, but he needs to show greater care of the ball and also improve his defensive work (gives away a lot of free kicks trying to win the ball back).
 
I usually find Holloway to be a bit of an arse, but that article is excellently put.

Hopefully Zaha himself has read it, and immediately started beating his chest, ready to prove everyone wrong.

Its clear that he's got footballing talent in abundance, so it will be interesting to see what he can do with that talent, and if he has the mentality to really push himself.
 
Very good article.

You can tell he is talking from the heart, but also not giving Zaha any excuses, and putting the blame solely on him - which should be expected.

Many people will blame Moyes for not "giving" him the chance, but as others have stated if you aren't earning it, why should you?.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Very good article.

You can tell he is talking from the heart, but also not giving Zaha any excuses, and putting the blame solely on him - which should be expected.

Many people will blame Moyes for not "giving" him the chance, but as others have stated if you aren't earning it, why should you?.
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Although I agree with you, I think the majority of people tend to go with the idea that the senior wingers have been utterly shite this season so in that respect they don't understand why Zaha wasn't given one or two opportunities to play. But obviously football isn't as simplistic as that.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Very good article.

You can tell he is talking from the heart, but also not giving Zaha any excuses, and putting the blame solely on him - which should be expected.

Many people will blame Moyes for not "giving" him the chance, but as others have stated if you aren't earning it, why should you?.
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The only retort I can provide for that is that some footballers need a run of games to come good, others are spectacular right from the start. Zaha clearly has quality, I think he's just been nervous on the few times we've seen him.
 
It could i suppose be him giving Moyes a less than subtle nudge. No official confirmation of anything as yet.
 
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