Apparently you're more mature than anyone here, well, because you're black, basically.
The fella has meant no harm whatsoever in what he's said but its still one of the more ridiculous things I've read on here.
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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Apparently you're more mature than anyone here, well, because you're black, basically.
The fella has meant no harm whatsoever in what he's said but its still one of the more ridiculous things I've read on here.
Sorry Will but in the post I quoted you said
so not all that disingenuous.
And when you are making massive general race based statements it is preferable to be able to back it up. So do.
I certainly don't want to be seen to be backing up Will, but in the interests of shite stirring I would like to say that my personal impression is that in general a black guy in his late teens or very early twenties looks bigger, stronger and more physically mature than an average white guy of similar age. I have nothing whatsoever to back this up with, but it would be an impression I have.
Robert Huth and Sean Wright Phillips disagree.
I agree with Will but I have got no evidence to black it up.
Black men have bigger willies than white men.
Exceptions, and also I might be talking out of my immature white arse.
Are black kids allowed to compete with white kids in underage events?
Nope, white kids can't jump.
Way to be sensitive moses.
Way to be sensitive moses.
ohh ffs you lot....
Doesn't seem very mature to me...
Doesn't seem very mature to me...
I hope the FA see that and ban him. This proves that Evra was the racist one, all along.
Totally that's the old Zulu 'white devil' insult.
Let's see if they will shake hands next Saturday.
What a load of shit.
English=Crap player
No competition to his signature in the press=Player must be so shit.
Not a world beater at 20 years of age=No hope for him
We agreed to loan him back to Palace, because Place won't allow the transfer to happen otherwise=He must be so shit, we don't even need him this season.
There are other players as good/more talented that would cost less=Classic muppet argument.
When we signed CR, there were people laughing/complaining we got the wrong and less talented winger.
The muppets are never happy.
We signed Smalling, who was less proven than Zaha(only made a couple Fulham apps before that) and was playing at a much lower league level before his Fulham move. I don't see a problem here. If they're good , who cares where they come from. It's not as though our signing policy is just that limited to signing British/Irish players only.
We signed Henriquez, Kagawa, Buttner, DDG, Chicharito fairly recently. And was close to signing Hazard/Lucas if the $$ backed clubs didn't offer them more money. There's a lot more foreign talents in the academy. And in the team we have the likes of Rafael and Ando that when fit are regular in the first 11. Can add Nani to it as well, when he's in form and available that is. I don't really see the problem here.
One word: Smalling.
Loaned him straight back to Fulham as soon as we signed him. Turns out he isn't half-bad of a player, right?
This thread is a shambles. Can't wait for Zaha to produce some more performances for Palace so that we can all start taking proper note and get this thread back on track.
Wasn't it reported that Crystal Palace demanded we loan him back to aid their promotion push?
Even if we wanted to have him now Crystal Palace didn't need to sell and wanted to keep him.
Even if we wanted to have him now Crystal Palace didn't need to sell and wanted to keep him.
Fixed a little typo for you there.
Fair play - the woman who runs my local shop looks like Sonny Liston, so that's evidence for you.
You seriously think that you know who was or wasn't in for him?
Yeah such a shame that Benitez and Mancini weren't in for him. They clearly know better. In fact if he was any good then Rodgers would surely have snapped him up.
Maybe we had to agree to loan him back this season in order to sign him or he would have been sold to another team who wanted to sign him? Or maybe we've done it because otherwise Palace simply wouldn't have accepted our offer considering them winning promotion is worth about 40 million.
Not really sure why I bothered tbh but there you go.
It's clear we've signed him earlier than needs be and loaned him back so that the other clubs who didn't want him don't get a chance to not sign him. Or something.
Them getting promoted is worth tens of millions more than what anyone would pay for Zaha, there was no way in earth that Palace would allow him to leave in January as he is key to them achieving that.
Yeah, I was just pointing out how silly Comsmit's point about us being willing to loan him back gives us cause for concern about his readiness is.
Crystal Palace still need him for their promotion bid and had no absolute need to sell in this window, so we have to respect that and understand that any purchase would only be with a loan back agreement (or similar arrangement to the Smalling signing)
Crystal Palace still need him for their promotion bid and had no absolute need to sell in this window, so we have to respect that and understand that any purchase would only be with a loan back agreement (or similar arrangement to the Smalling signing)
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
Mature quicker...
Some funny posts in this thread in the last page or so
Thank you.
Well he plays tonight. I'm going go try to watch the first 15 minutes of it before United kick off.
Not the first time we've done this. Jones and Henriquez spring to mind, although it turned out that we actually needed Jones last year so worked out well us signing him a year early.
First round. First minute.
Regarding Zaha I think Sir Alex and his staff knows what they are doing.
Good point Raven Blade. This thread is getting weirdly racist.
I questioned why was there no serious competition for his signature? I also suggested elite managers don't appear to rate him as highly, especially for the sums United paid. I didn't suggest there wasn't any interest from other clubs/managers...you have misinterpreted my words to a degree. If Wenger said he wasn't interested I tend to believe him....why would he lie? To save face? I don't think so Wenger is single minded and doesn't pander to anyone. Zaha isn't a sure bet. He probably looked at him and decided he wasn't what he wanted...he is a pretty good judge of young talent.
As for the "easy" aspect of the transfer Will summed it up better with "unadventurous." I accept this is not a trend as you bring up the examples most recently with Kagawa, although we know the fee was relatively low due to his contractual situation...good business for sure. I just feel for the money paid there are better talents who could be available, and who were available. Will mentioned the talent pool in La Liga, someone like Griezmann would more than satisfy a lust for potential, and also be available in that range. He has more talent and greater experience at a similar age. It simply looks like we have given Palace exactly what they wanted. Just feel United could have got more bang for their buck. I will be more than happy to be proved wrong in the long term....just don't feel this will reap huge dividends.
If it seems like the spin you suggest then you are a tad off-beat. I don't look at whether a young player is English or foreign, I look at how they play the game and how they could provide United with something extra. Its nothing to do with whether they are English or not. I was delighted when we captured Smalling, the fee will probably turn out to be a steal. Jones has got some work to do to justify his, but it looks like there is potential greatness in his game.
De Gea was a great bit of business, not because he is Spanish, because he looks amazing at 20 years of age. Zaha doesn't provide me with that confidence. Tom Ince looks the surer bet to me but Ferguson is obviously looking to sign a youngster with pace to burn and a few tricks thrown up his sleeve, rather than someone who is more accomplished in possession, more intelligent in his movement, and statistically more effective. He wants more pace in the side I understand that and Zaha will probably get bums off their seat. Will that be enough? Possibly if he backs it up with an improvement in his all-round contribution.
We will see how he gets on, its a long term project so let's look at where he is in 2-3 years.
You say that "elite" managers weren't in for him, well you're wrong. Fergie was in for him and he's as elite as they come, that's good enough for me.
Is it racist to say that black players tend to be quicker and stronger than white players? Isn't that more of an observation, like saying white players more easily get sunburned?
Don't think so. This thread is roundly mocking Will Absolute for some potentially racist (but basically just slightly ridiculous) stereotyping.
We do have a fairly awful record of signing English players, after all 
Did you believe him when he said he WAS interested the week before? One of those statements was a lie, I guess it's your call which one you believe.
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