I don't think you've ever seen him play at all. Technically Zaha as a unique style to his game, he's nothing like a pacey and power footballer you have described.
Maybe, just maybe that's why he used the words "by all accounts"?That's the another things what annoys me. How does people know he have a shite attitude or doesn't have the world rate? Unless people know him personally or watch him train regularly how can they comment on that?
No offence man, but the conclusion's that were made on Zaha not gettin a single minute on the pitch were universal, hence why reporters asked him about Zaha's no-show again.
Van Gaal even said: "maybe the next time I can use Zaha" - he's not guaranteeing him playing time, which tells its own story.
Its a mystery why he's not been given any playing time - considering how poor Nani's been in both matches..
You can comment on it based on stuff you read or what his previous managers said. Don't know where it is but Ian holloway said stuff about him how he's a talented boy but needs to be specially looked after, and he's not a special talent so he won't get that hereThat's the another things what annoys me. How does people know he have a shite attitude or doesn't have the world rate? Unless people know him personally or watch him train regularly how can they comment on that?
You can spot someone's work rate by watching them play. When they stand there and don't track any runners then they have a shit work rate defensively. When Arsenal played Bayern I think it was and Ozil sauntered along the edge of his box a bit but never actually tried to close anyone down or put in a challenge it was clear to see he had a shit defensive work rate.That's the another things what annoys me. How does people know he have a shite attitude or doesn't have the world rate? Unless people know him personally or watch him train regularly how can they comment on that?
Maybe, just maybe that's why he used the words "by all accounts"?
By all accounts, he does have a crap attitude and lacks the will to put his head down and work hard.
'Flicks' that are often dodgy in their execution and half the time only come off via a ricochet off the defenders foot.Which is funny because that's all he ever does when he dribbles.
Ultimate headless chicken. People fell for the fancy tricks and flicks when aside from that he's absolutely terrible.
If I'm not mistaken he's the only player not to be used on the tour so far. In terms of his future at United it's not looking at all good.
And if you read the article, he wasn't the only one doing those double sessions either...Stupid Mail.
It's not "despite" but "because" of that.
"So maybe next time I will put Zaha in because he is working hard. He is doing all the things I require or demand, so there is no problem."
And if you read the article, he wasn't the only one doing those double sessions either...
And yet Van Gaal hasn't seen fit to even give him a minute as a substitute. The only player out of 26 not to have made it onto the pitch. Hardly the most glowing reference. Van Gaal may be planning to sell him. If he were he would hardly criticise him in public would he?@Rednotdead
Remember when you said:
I suggested perhaps the previous coaching regime might not have been as strong as you thought and they might have got a thing or two wrong. You disagreed, it looks as though Louis van Gaal disagrees with your opinion too.
Louis van Gaal has some information for you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-does-have-a-future-at-Manchester-United.html
Do you accept his attitude and performance in training is acceptable?
And yet Van Gaal hasn't seen fit to even give him a minute as a substitute. The only player out of 26 not to have made it onto the pitch. Hardly the most glowing reference. Van Gaal may be planning to sell him. If he were he would hardly criticise him in public would he?
You can draw no conclusions from what Van Gaal said. What happens over the next few weeks will tell us more.
And yet Van Gaal hasn't seen fit to even give him a minute as a substitute. The only player out of 26 not to have made it onto the pitch. Hardly the most glowing reference. Van Gaal may be planning to sell him. If he were he would hardly criticise him in public would he?
You can draw no conclusions from what Van Gaal said. What happens over the next few weeks will tell us more.
He's hardly been given a chance.
Like I said before, have you observed training? No you haven't.
You seem to think our previous coaching regime was pretty good, I disagree. Zaha might become a flop or he might not, let Louis van Gaal decide instead of shipping him out because Moyes didn't rate him.
I didn't state his attitude in training was poor, I wasn't there so I'm not qualified to say. I stated that his attitude was alluded to by various different managers - and publicly demonstrated by his turning up late for a reserve game.You miss the point.
You stated his attitude in training was poor, I merely said Louis van Gaal should get a chance to look at him before deciding whether to move him on.
According to Louis van Gaal he is doing all that is demanded of him. Do you think doing all that is demanded is poor attitude?
Whether he has the skill to make it at the top or not is another question entirely. Your desire for Louis van Gaal to take the opinion of the Moyes regime was wrong, wrong, wrong. Why can he not form his own judgement?
Let's revisit what I said to you:
Quite obvious I merely suggested Louis van Gaal should have the chance to observe him instead of taking Moyes' opinion.
You had a problem with Zaha's attitude, I'll ask you again, do you still think he has a poor attitude? Or do you think doing all that is demanded of him constitutes an acceptable attitude?
Van Gaal seems to be referring to him as a striker - when asked why he hadn't been used on tour so far VG stated that he has 6 strikers so he hadn't had an opportunity to use him.It would be interesting to see his reaction if when he gets his chance, he's tried at right wingback like Aslhey Young was last game. While I'm all for Young moving on, in fact I can't wait, he did fairly well at least in attack from that position and he was convincing when used up front the previous game. Will Zaha let his chance slip by like Nani has so far?
Van Gaal seems to be referring to him as a striker - when asked why he hadn't been used on tour so far VG stated that he has 6 strikers so he hadn't had an opportunity to use him.
Might be the wrong thread, but I was wondering what others thought about this. Do natural wingers or fullbacks make better wingbacks? Is tracking back defensively or pushing forward offensively more important for wingbacks in LVG's 3-5-2? Does either take priority or is it 50/50?Basically, the way we've been playing this season means that the only "wingers" getting games are those who can play as wingbacks. Zaha hasn't got a defensive bone in his body, so he's competing with Nani et al to play as a striker.
I do wonder how Januzaj will be used. Presumably as a 10.
Might be the wrong thread, but I was wondering what others thought about this. Do natural wingers or fullbacks make better wingbacks? Is tracking back defensively or pushing forward offensively more important for wingbacks in a 3-5-2? Does either take priority or is it 50/50?
Zaha won the ball more often than Young last season despite the majority of his appearances being off the bench and performances lasting usually 30-45 mins. So if Young can be tried out there, of course a young player like Zaha can be tried there.
You and your fecking tackle stats. Zaha's never once looked like a competent defender to me. Might be able to occasionally nick the ball high up the pitch but never looked like he has much of a clue about positioning and when to track runners or hand them over. It's not hard to see why Van Gaal doesn't see him as an option for wingback.
You've barely watched 5 mins of him and don't know whether Van Gaal might try him out in a different role
Zaha won the ball more often than Young last season despite the majority of his appearances being off the bench and performances lasting usually 30-45 mins. So if Young can be tried out there, of course a young player like Zaha can be tried there.
Not sure that really makes much sense. It's also about experience, discipline and decision making - all things Young's just good enough at to be tried as a wing back. Zaha's still so green at this level that it'd be a hideous risk to play him in that position in the PL, IMO.
I didn't state his attitude in training was poor, I wasn't there so I'm not qualified to say. I stated that his attitude was alluded to by various different managers - and publicly demonstrated by his turning up late for a reserve game.
If his attitude has indeed changed under Van Gaal, all well and good. It's still clear though, that he's last in the pecking order.
One would also have to wonder why he didn't demonstrate this apparent new attitude under all the other managers - not just Moyes.
Just what is it about the word "apparent" you don't understand?You ask us why he did not demonstrate this apparent new attitude under all other managers, but I thought you were not there so you can't say what his attitude was?
I was more worried about the attacking runs he didn't do than the tracking back he didn't do. Often he looked like he was confused and didn't know where to run so he stood still waiting for the ball to come to him.
Just what is it about the word "apparent" you don't understand?
I've had enough of this nonsense now, go and bother someone else.
Rednotdead said:One would also have to wonder why he didn't demonstrate this apparent new attitude under all the other managers - not just Moyes.
Personally I feel a lot of posters (not just on Redcafe) are a bit desperate for him to be the next Ronaldo.
