Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace

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I don't even think he's that good tbh. It was a bizzare signing at the time, and its even more bizzare now.

For all Fergie's talk about buying players with the right mentality and doing checks on players mentality and if they are 'right for United' before bringing them in, he's brought in a good few players over his latter years with real questionable mentality's (Anderson, Hargreaves, Tevez, Young, Zaha just off the top of my head).
 
Can't believe he would not go to a optional training like that esp with all the players going except him. I guess he must have a few mates or friends or at least someone he is close to and would have discussed whether to go for the training or not. When I was in my school's squash team my coach said something similar about an optional training. I didn't want to go since I was nowhere near the first team of 5 and it was more for the guys in and around the first team but the least I could make sure was that a few of my friends(slackers) and squad mates didn't go as well before deciding not to go for it. To be the only guy not turning up for training is blatantly disrespectful to the coach and I can't believe he didn't even discuss about the optional training with some of his teammates before deciding whether or not to turn up for it.

Or maybe they don't like him and screwed him over by lying to him... :lol:
 
Meh, just sell him. He's not even any good.
 
Loublaze said:
Sums up the world today. Some people will believe anything they read. SMH
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So, do you believe he in fact DID turn up for training, and that Ogden has made it up in his head?. Surely that could be deemed slander against Zaha if incorrect? big risk that...
 
Sam said:
I don't even think he's that good tbh. It was a bizzare signing at the time, and its even more bizzare now.

For all Fergie's talk about buying players with the right mentality and doing checks on players mentality and if they are 'right for United' before bringing them in, he's brought in a good few players over his latter years with real questionable mentality's (Anderson, Hargreaves, Tevez, Young, Zaha just off the top of my head).
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I dont think it is bizzare to buy one of the most exciting young english players around.

What is Bizzare is claiming Tevez and Hargo had "questionable mentailty"
 
Zaha is literally the same as any other young English winger out there, very physically strong, quick, decent at dribbling but lacks decision making. There really isn't anything special about him, there are many in the league just like him in this league and the league below.
 
Fergie was a bit obsessed with doing another Ronaldo. Buy some young guy who is obviously talented but very raw and try to make him blossom here. Didnt work out very well in the last couple of years it has to be said.
 
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Agreed though I even think that both of those two are ahead of him.
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I'd definitely put them ahead of him.

I know Zaha had his moments in the Championship (he didn't "carry" Crystal Palace though), but in terms of consistently controlling and dribbling cleanly with the football and using his brain - Ince is better. Not as eye-catching and probably not as confident, but a better winger. A better player, full stop.
Redmond is a winger who actually just needs to mature and will look really good. The ability to beat a man both ways and pass and cross is already there. Maybe lacks the mentality though.

Zaha's basically fast and strong.
 
Adam-Utd said:
So, do you believe he in fact DID turn up for training, and that Ogden has made it up in his head?. Surely that could be deemed slander against Zaha if incorrect? big risk that...
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Ogden is not an official United representative. He's just a correspondent/Columnist from the Telegraph. You're taking his word to be gospel truth. Take these things with a pinch of salt. People are quick to judge players based on things outsiders are saying. Let LVG or Giggs say something on this issue and i'll take it seriously.
 
It wouldn't be remotely surprising if it was true given there's been a steady stream of stories about his attitude problem.
 
Regardless of whether the story is true or not, he must be doing feck all in training to not even get a minute so far, despite being a player in a position where we aren't exactly awash with quality.
 
2 games, no playing time. Even our 4th goalkeeper has had minutes.

Fully expect him to go out on loan or transferred as soon as we get back.
 
Not looking good for Wilf, he's either shocking in training or LvG thinks he's completely shit. Probably a bit of both. £45m spent on this guy and Fellaini in the past 18 months, Jesus Christ.
 
The story (or stories) about his attitude could be true, or he could be slacking in training. Or perhaps there just isn't a place for him in the current system. He's a winger, but perhaps LvG doesn't see him as a wing-back who is expected to carry out defensive duties and be disciplined.

Or maybe he's just a wage thief who phones it in on the training pitch and then goes home and lives the SWAG life.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
The story (or stories) about his attitude could be true, or he could be slacking in training. Or perhaps there just isn't a place for him in the current system. He's a winger, but perhaps LvG doesn't see him as a wing-back who is expected to carry out defensive duties and be disciplined.

Or maybe he's just a wage thief who phones it in on the training pitch and then goes home and lives the SWAG life.
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I think if LVG gave young a go at wingback then so could Zaha. It's no surprise he's had no minutes, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold soon.
 
Castia said:
Not looking good for Wilf, he's either shocking in training or LvG thinks he's completely shit. Probably a bit of both. £45m spent on this guy and Fellaini in the past 18 months, Jesus Christ.
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Not to split hairs, but Zaha was bought for initial 10M and given how he has been this 5M in add-ons do not seem like a genuine possibility. Fellaini was bought for 27,5M. So 45M is overstating it really.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think if LVG gave young a go at wingback then so could Zaha. It's no surprise he's had no minutes, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold soon.
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To be fair to Young, he's always worked hard and tracked back. I've not seen enough of Zaha to know if he does, but I predict he's not known for his defensive contributions.

It is a faint possibility, though it probably is because he is a total waster. Which is a shame, because I still maintain he has a lot of talent. He just has zero application or any sort of determination.
 
Maybe, the fee was reported between £10m-£15m, either way its a complete waste.
 
It's clear he needs to go on loan. But United need to consider loan destination carefully. Even if United would change the system Zaha is way too unproven to start even in 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formations.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
To be fair to Young, he's always worked hard and tracked back. I've not seen enough of Zaha to know if he does, but I predict he's not known for his defensive contributions.

It is a faint possibility, though it probably is because he is a total waster. Which is a shame, because I still maintain he has a lot of talent. He just has zero application or any sort of determination.
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Somebody before said in the games he has player for us he won possession back more times than anybody else, so he definitely puts a shift in. his physical abilities are fine it's just his mental side that needs work. You do feel for him though but he isn't helping himself for not going training!
 
Moysey got a lot of shit for hardly playing this guy, LVG doing the same thing. Clearly not good enough and has the wrong mentality.
 
saivet said:
Moysey got a lot of shit for hardly playing this guy, LVG doing the same thing. Clearly not good enough and has the wrong mentality.
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Barely played under Ole too. The attitude is completely wrong, and I genuinely don't think the talent is completely there either. He's still far too raw at the age of 21/22.
 
Van Gaal on Wilfried Zaha's absence so far from MUFC tour matches. "He is working hard, there is no problem."
 
Think his dribbling's fantastic, possibly the best I've seen at the club since a young Ronnie (although to be fair to our young players, the likes of Lawrence and Januzaj are also superb). Having said that, I think his crossing and especially his shooting are a bit garbage. And unfortunately all aspects of his game appeared to regress last year too. Hope he turns it around but there's plenty more young talent around the club if he can't be arsed.
 
His body language on the bench in the last two games is very telling.

He's like the kid who forgets his football boots at school and has to sit out the game.

I don't see him being at United after September. Back to Palace I wager.
 
LVG and the club have bigger fish to fry than Zaha. Things aren't so black and white anyway, and if he plays against Inter and Real, it changes nothing really. This system doesn't accommodate wingers and therefore the idea that your gonna play a player who's biggest weakness is his defensive part of his game, should we really be surprised he's not played yet?

Those who want to believe unsubstantiated rubbish thats fine, the crap about body language and being late is complete garbage. The lad got lost, he's not the first on his first day to training and the press jumped on it, and it stuck.

Yep, previous manager said he needs to work harder, but thats hardly a revelation for young player, and he may be lazy but demonizing him on here, allegations about DM daughter, I dont understand why supporters turn on some players based on nothing but hearsay.

He's not Rooney or RVP, do people really think we'd be bothering with a player with bad attitude? Do people think he'd be on tour? What do people think would be achieved by keeping such a player around the club?

Lets have a bit of common sense please, we've sold establish players for less.....
 
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It's bloody obvious from watching him play that he's slap bang average and combined with the attitude and ego it's not a good mix. People just wish and prey that a "tricky" winger with pace and think that they suddenly come good by some sort of chemical reaction.

Obertan was a better player than him when he was here.
 
Pexbo said:
It's bloody obvious from watching him play that he's slap bang average and combined with the attitude and ego it's not a good mix. People just wish and prey that a "tricky" winger with pace and think that they suddenly come good by some sort of chemical reaction.

Obertan was a better player than him when he was here.
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What do you base the comments about his attitude and ego on?
 
If he's ever going to make it here, he needs to go on loan. Johnny Evans did the same thing at Sunderland when it was touch and go whether he'd make it and it he benefitted from it. Cleverley was the same after his loan at Wigan even though he's subsequently regressed since his opening spell in the first team. The fact of the matter is, he's rarely got game time and it looks as though he won't get the minutes he needs to progress if we're heading into next season with Rafael, Shaw, Valencia and at least one of Young and Nani for two positions.
 
Never thought he was potential United quality when he was at Palace. I just can't see what the scouts and ultimately Fergie saw in him. He was hardly tearing it up in the Championship a few seasons ago, and then we go and splash a ridiculous amount of money on him.
 
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