The feeling i get with zaha is he lacks consistency. He plays a blinder and then disappears for a while. At united you simply have to perform every week. Can he do that. I wouldnt be as harsh as others. he turned in one or two good performances for cardiff and then seemed to just lack motivation in other games. I see another ashley young in him although he would be better, in that he does something great and then vanishes for a few games.
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Have to perform every week..... Someone should tell Wayne!
But rooney clouds over average enough performances by getting a goal or assist despite not controlling the ball maybe four times in a single match. But wingers have it tough, especially fairly average ones in that it is hard to get a goal and they depend on assists. And if they dont get an assist, they get booed.
I know , I just couldn't resist
I always felt like we bought him based on the hype that surrounded him at the time rather than our scouting and actually wanting him. Still, he should be given a chance. He is a young player and LvG can get the best out of young players.
If he doesn't come good, we will still sell him for a good fee because he is young and English.
If he doesn't come good, we will still sell him for a good fee because he is young and English.
Don't see 'it' whatsoever with this guy.
He's had one good game all season.
He's been inconsistant but had a few good games at Cardiff in between plenty of poor ones. Hasnt done enough overall.
People talk in here without actually watching him play, it doesn't matter how he does really
People talk in here without actually watching him play, it doesn't matter how he does really
I still believe that under the right manager and coaches, he will become a decent player for us. I hope we don't sell him this summer, the talent is there just needs to work on his attitude.
But, if we're talking about Cardiff, I'd rather get Daelhi back and let them keep Zaha. Even the likes of Mutch and Noone outperformed Zaha.
The way players at the clubs has spoken about him speak volumes about his talents. But the way he has handled the step up has been terrible. All he had and still has to do is buy himself more time and space so he can build up pace before he has to dribble past someone.
In the Championships he could stand still and beat players regardless, in Premier Leauge he has completely failed at doing this. Still even when he gets the ball he seems to wait for the defender to close down all space before he tries to beat his man - which he then fails with.
Not sure if he will be able to take that step, his ego seems to believe he is good enough as he is.
In the Championships he could stand still and beat players regardless, in Premier Leauge he has completely failed at doing this. Still even when he gets the ball he seems to wait for the defender to close down all space before he tries to beat his man - which he then fails with.
Not sure if he will be able to take that step, his ego seems to believe he is good enough as he is.
Some people need to relax. Zaha has great ability and it don't matter what he did at cardiff. This could be the best thing that will happen to him. People questioning him. He has to be hungry and believe in himself when he comes back. He has to know he's a great player and not just think it. Don't really care what he does unless it's in a United top. It wasn't that great an experience but he's young and have great potential.
It does matter. It matters quite a bit. It tells us he's not mature enough to play for us. Yet. Hopefully that'll change.
And he's not a great player. He's one with a lot of promise. Great should be reserved for players who've actually done something above Championship level.
At this point I think he can be a just decent squad player for us. Probably an improvement on Young to be honest.
Mutch and Noone were better than Daehli too imo. Although Mutch is too greedy with no vision, can dribble and score though.
But yes of course Daehli would be better to have than Zaha at this point. In terms of actual performances wasnt as drastic a difference between them as some posters would have you believe however, Zaha was about 5.5/10 overall and Daehli about 6.5/10.
Better and different but an underwhelming impact himself.
Actually forgot about this guy's existence.
Zaha proved at Cardiff how good he really is. Stupid Moyes.
Cheers for the summary. I have only seen bits and pieces of Cardiff tbh.
He proved to be quite shit at Cardiff, I don't get your point?
Understatement
I agree. I thought this last season too. All the games the poorly performing Young and Valencia were getting, could have been Zaha. Would he have done any worse? Even if he did somehow manage to play even worse, at least there'd be some purpose behind it, giving a talented youngster some games to develop. Young isn't immediately going to morph into top player and he will continue to be hugely underwhelming, and Valencia had 2 very good seasons for us, but it's difficult to see him returning to that explosive form, and we've flogged that dead horse for 2 full seasons now. Zaha looked lively in pre-season. I think he deserved more of a chance than he was given in his first season, considering how poor our performances on the wing were.
Sarcasm?
Too early to just write him off IMO. LVG loves his wingers and is famed for his work with young players. I'd much rather he be given a spot in the squad than Young, who is a decent player but is never gunna be any more than that. At least with Zaha there is a chance he'll make it.
Zahas main stumbling block is the fact he's absolutely useless.
Some are so obvious that they don't need a white text.
WTF? Valencia did quite well in the second half of last season. Even when he was shit in the first half he was rarely our worst player - the whole team was a disgrace. The notion that Zaha, who couldn't even get in Cardiff's team, would have done better is laughable.
Completely laughable. Zaha has looked like shit every time I've seen him.
Any thoughts on where Zaha might fit into LVG's plans?
Somewhere south of Old Trafford?
Needs to work on his attitude. Hopefully, he'll learn from this tough experience, get his head down and perform very well at his next loan club.
Zaha was a fantastic prospect at Palace and was great when I saw him - got the Football League Young Player of the Year in 2012
he looked good to me on tour - like Lingard/Januzaj - I expected him to make a positive contribution this year
I was annoyed that Moyes didnt give him much of an opportunity but I could perhaps see why when he was at Cardiff as he was poor
He's a strange one - skilful, good physique, very quick - the potential to be a top top player
is it attitude? did he think he'd made it? happy to coast with his 50k a week wages?
LVG is probably the man to get the best out of him and with the right guidance/coaching he has the potential to be a very effective player for us particularly in the wide positions of a 4-3-3
he looked good to me on tour - like Lingard/Januzaj - I expected him to make a positive contribution this year
I was annoyed that Moyes didnt give him much of an opportunity but I could perhaps see why when he was at Cardiff as he was poor
He's a strange one - skilful, good physique, very quick - the potential to be a top top player
is it attitude? did he think he'd made it? happy to coast with his 50k a week wages?
LVG is probably the man to get the best out of him and with the right guidance/coaching he has the potential to be a very effective player for us particularly in the wide positions of a 4-3-3
I have a feeling he will either absolutely love him, or despise him and sell him ASAP.
Does Van Gaal have a good track record with flairy/tricky players? I can't imagine him liking all the tricks, but then again Zaha is a good athlete so perhaps he will like his directness.
Does Van Gaal have a good track record with flairy/tricky players? I can't imagine him liking all the tricks, but then again Zaha is a good athlete so perhaps he will like his directness.
I don't think LVG's system suits him well. Zaha can't beat a man unless he has built up some pace to do so, very few players in the world can beat their man consistently without needing any pace.
The issue with Zaha is that he never takes the one step to build up pace, before the opponent closes in on him - instead he waits until the opponent has closed down all space before he starts attempting the dribble. It ends up looking ridiculous, because his dribbling simply isn't good enough to pull of the Nani/Neymar style of dribbling.
When he does build pace up his dribbling is brilliant though, absolute class and from the comments we've seen about his technique it is absolute world-class potential he has.
LVG wants his wingers to play really wide, they have a really difficult role as they are supposed to challenge their full-backs for 1 vs 1's constantly and I am not sure it is the game Zaha thrives of. He'd be outstanding in a counter-attacking 4-3-3 where his pace and acceleration and technique would matter more than his 1 vs 1 dribbling.
He reminds me a lot about Ronaldo when he first came here, his dribbling lacks any sort of direction and even when that step over does work he is in the same position having gained nothing. He needs to be moving already when he starts the dribble attempt.
its up to Zaha - if he can work on his game he has the potential to be a very very good player
I think Bale is the perfect example of a young player who was able to develop his game over the years
Bale always had a sweet strike and good pace but he really improved over a period of 3/4 years - there was a time when he was considered a weak link for Spurs and they went on that ridiculous losing streak with him in the team - its wasnt until 2010/2011 when he really started to show his quality and play intelligently
One of the most impressive things with Bale and Ronaldo. Football is usually a sport where once you break through to be a first team regular, you stagnate your growth. Rarely do you see a player who is 21, known for his lack of pace and poor dribbling, actually improve these noticeably so when he is 23 he can dribble past a player with ease or beat them with pace.
Players usually remain the same and get the added benefit from experience(finishing/decision making/passing), the only real quality that players can noticeably change rather effectively is strength.
Bale may even have been more impressive than Cristiano, as Bale really wasn't that naturally talented either in the way Cristiano was.
Zaha would thrive in a counter attacking system. By thrive i mean hed look better than he is.
If the system involves having the break down teams, he is poor.
If the system involves having the break down teams, he is poor.
so not Newcastle then?
I wonder, if CP agrees to waive all bonuses, that's about 5M which makes our fee for Zaha effectively 10M, and then pay us around 6-7M which exactly Zaha's value now, given that he spent one year of a 5-year contract in MU already.
Should we then sell?
With everything that happened, and how Zaha conducted himself i am not sure we should keep him. I am not overwhelmingly in favor of the sale, but like a 60-40 percent in favor.
Sure LVG will take a look at him and decide. But if he will not take his chances it will me much harder to sell him afterwards.
Should we then sell?
With everything that happened, and how Zaha conducted himself i am not sure we should keep him. I am not overwhelmingly in favor of the sale, but like a 60-40 percent in favor.
Sure LVG will take a look at him and decide. But if he will not take his chances it will me much harder to sell him afterwards.
I don't see any reason for us to rush any players out of the club for pittances. Especially not when they are young and talented players. Considering how low his marketvalue must be atm, I think that Van Gaal will make his decision solely based on his ability and talent.
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