£7M to Newcastle would recoup most of our money.
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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Keep the quick feet boss daughter pincher!!! His got alot to prove and hopefully the drive to do it.
How much did we pay for him?
£10M but there were some add-ons involved I think.
There's no reason why he can't feature this season. He is similar to Depay in a few ways who has been featuring for LvG's Holland side. Depay has better decision making and more experience but in terms of sheer ability than Zaha is similar.
He just needs to get his head down and work on his weaknesses. He also needs experience at the very top level, so if he can't get it at United, then he needs another loan move. It was always going to be hard for him at Cardiff, walking straight into a relegation battle, and being viewed as a luxury player.
With the right manager and team, he could have a storming season and that could even be at United. His dribbling and ability to beat a player is rare to see now days and if he can improve in the final third then he has a big future.
It would be very silly to sell him now.
He just needs to get his head down and work on his weaknesses. He also needs experience at the very top level, so if he can't get it at United, then he needs another loan move. It was always going to be hard for him at Cardiff, walking straight into a relegation battle, and being viewed as a luxury player.
With the right manager and team, he could have a storming season and that could even be at United. His dribbling and ability to beat a player is rare to see now days and if he can improve in the final third then he has a big future.
It would be very silly to sell him now.
He'll probably have a better season.
He's not that good at dribbling and beating a player though.
I'd sell Young for 7m, or just release him to free up his contract to make up for 7m and keep Zaha. He's a wide forward, he should fit in Van Gaal's system, provided he keeps his head down and works hard. He's got so much potential and the English tax, it'd be madness to sell him for that cheap without even giving him a proper chance.
Does Van Gaal happen to have a daughter about 20 years of age?
He deserves another chance - could work nicely in a 433
Zaha's touch is inconsistent, he's not gifted at passing or shooting. He has quick feet, is fast, and powerful. He's not as talented as some of you suggest. I wouldn't mind if he was sold. However, I would like to see him get another chance through a loan.
Yay! I'm not the only one who doesn't think he has loads of potential/talent.
Quick feet and good physical attributes, which is often enough to do well in the Championship. The brain, the consistency of touch, and the ability to dribble cleanly just aren't there.
Not on Sterling, Januzaj or Oxlade Chamberlain's level despite being older, and all three of them have more talent/potential.
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I'm pretty sure if you do that you have to pay up the rest of the players contract.
I dont think hes as good as they are, no. But neither was Valencia when he was their age
Oh yeah we should definitely sell him, 2 starts and a sub appearance is more than enough time to tell if a young player is going to make it or not isn't it?
Hes 21 already old as shit, no way he can improve at that age, and besides we are not the type of club that has built its history on giving young players a chance, oh wait...
Jesus some lads on here want every fecker out the door, this lad deserves another chance either with us or a premier league loan, Moyes fecked him over good and proper last season the wanker.
Hes 21 already old as shit, no way he can improve at that age, and besides we are not the type of club that has built its history on giving young players a chance, oh wait...
Jesus some lads on here want every fecker out the door, this lad deserves another chance either with us or a premier league loan, Moyes fecked him over good and proper last season the wanker.
While I agree with the point, a lot of 21 year olds don't even get the chance to make an appearance. If the reports are true and it comes down to his attitude, well that might be enough to not deserve another chance. Who cares how Moyes treated him (sure it could have been better) but he is still a professional and it sounds as though he could improve a lot of the pitch. He has done nothing to walk around thinking he has done it all.Oh yeah we should definitely sell him, 2 starts and a sub appearance is more than enough time to tell if a young player is going to make it or not isn't it?
Hes 21 already old as shit, no way he can improve at that age, and besides we are not the type of club that has built its history on giving young players a chance, oh wait...
Jesus some lads on here want every fecker out the door, this lad deserves another chance either with us or a premier league loan, Moyes fecked him over good and proper last season the wanker.
I agree though that I would like to see more of him if there are no additions to the squad in the wide areas.
Most? Wouldnt even recoup half.
Yes it would. It was 10m up front with add-ons up to 15m. Seen as he made 2 appearances or so it is highly doubtful any of the add-ons were met.
We would get most of it back, it would be a loss no doubt but he wouldn't have come close to meeting any clauses that meant United had to pay the full fee.
I'm sure all that are signed for £10-15m do though, wouldn't you agree? In fact im pretty certain the vast majority that are signed for decent money get a lot more than 4 appearances before someone decides to throw them on the scrap heap.
I care how Moyes treated him if in honest, seemed to me right from the start he was about as welcome as a fart in a space suit when Moyes was in charge. With the rumours of Zaha & Moyes daughter, well no smoke without fire and all that so we can't be 100% sure he was frozen out entirely for football reasons.
His attitude may have been bad under Moyes, but if we are selling players because of that well according to reports half the squad should be out the door then including our new assistant manager. A lot of young players act up as long as they wise up, realize what an opportunity they have and get their heads down, that can be overlooked for a time.
I would like to see what LVG could do with this kid whether we sign another winger or not, hes raw but i think hes got obvious talent and we should be looking to go the extra mile to develop young english talents like Zaha.
He did get a premier league loan though, and he was terrible.
Agreed but it's a very unique case. Signed by a different manager.
Van Gaal won't have seen enough of Wilf to have decided whether he has a future at the club or not. If United decide to offload Zaha in this transfer window then Giggs would surely have played a major part in that decision.
I can't think of anyone better than Ryan Giggs to decide if a young winger is United material or not. If Giggs has already written off Zaha, then it's best that he is sold as soon as possible.
I can't think of anyone better than Ryan Giggs to decide if a young winger is United material or not. If Giggs has already written off Zaha, then it's best that he is sold as soon as possible.
Cardiff were in a mess with a new manager and fighting relegation, not exactly the best environment for a young player to regain his confidence while finding his feet at a new level of football though is it.
No doubt mate but i still don't believe Moyes gave him a fair crack especially when the likes of Young & Valencia were stinking up the wings, he should have been an option on the bench for a load of games but if i remember rightly he wasn't even in most match day squads before Xmas, could be wrong but thats how i feel.
You can say the same about us though. We were in a mess struggling to fight for top 4 with a new manager. Not exactly the best environment to play a young player with attitude problems.
let him go.
would rather see what Bebe has to offer right now after his loan spell
would rather see what Bebe has to offer right now after his loan spell
I agree and would have loved to have seen him feature more. I was as disappointed at our wide men as much as anyone but that's just looking on the surface. If his attitude was a real problem, well I can understand him not getting his chance.
Perhaps though i don't necessarily agree considering januzaj did well last season despite the turmoil, but either way in that scenario he would have not had the right stage to show what he is capable of either here under Moyes or at Cardiff, under LVG a manager with a reputation for having faith in young players he may well get a fair chance to show what he can bring to the table and i hope he does get a chance.
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With everything that went on last season under Moyes and the turmoil at the club he may have displayed attitude problems, personally i don't trust Moyes judgement on players (he spent £28m on Fellaini ffs and wanted to sell RVP) so i think zaha should be given a pass this time.
But if these reported attitude problems persist under LVG i have no doubt Louis will send him packing first chance he gets. But on the other hand if he knuckles down, appreciates that Van Gaal is one of the few top managers who trusts youngsters and grabs any chance given with both hands he could prove himself to be a real asset for the club.
Spot on.
You learn something new here every single day.
I'd much rather keep Zaha than Valencia, Nani or young.
I like that he has an xfactor and can do well on occasions. Problem for me is that he looks like he will become a carbon copy of Nani, and that aint anything to be overly happy about. Probably will develop into a decent player with decent technique, but will have the brain of an elephent.
I still think it was careless of Fergie to spunk 15m on an unproven player 6 months before his retirement. I wouldn't mind seeing him go. We have Januzaj and Lingaard + we've been linked with the likes of Di Maria, Sanchez etc. I don't see where Zaha would fit in.
Clearly if we signed any of those two, or any other winger for that matter of any good quality, it would most likely mean the end for Zaha.
However, it doesn't change the fact that Young, Nani, and Valencia are all not United quality. At least Zaha has age on his side.
I just don't think Zaha will ever be United quality. He's a mid table trickster. Like I said before we have Januzaj and Lingaard who have age on their side and are already better than Zaha. I am hopeful the 2 of them will keep Young and Valencia out of the team. Nani's off to Juve as a make weight.
What has Lingard done to be rated higher than Zaha?
Well that bit about Moyes wanting to sell RVP was going off speculation that he wanted to sell Van Persie and replace him with Cavani which i personally believe. Had Moyes stayed i don't think RVP would have.
Valencia just signed a new deal, so LVG obviously has plans for him (though it could be to become a RB conversion).
Young and Nani I hope are shipped out.
Regarding Lingard and Zaha, I have absolutely no idea how you've come to the conclusion Lingard has already become better than Zaha. What are you basing this off? Lingard has done nothing in the PL, a bit like Zaha, and excelled in the championship, a bit like Zaha although Zaha was better than Lingard has been this spell.
I'm basing this off last year's pre-season in which Zaha was outperformed by both Lingaard and Januzaj. I'm also basing this on that Lingaard is amore direct player and more prolific in front of goal. Zaha wastes a lot of time and possession trying stepovers and fancy flicks + he touch is not all that great. It looks good when he pulls it off but it's frustrating. Anyone who's watched Nani on a bad day can relate.
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