With competition coming from golden boy Ashley Young, it must be pretty harrowing.
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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With competition coming from golden boy Ashley Young, it must be pretty harrowing.
Being linked with Palace & Cardiff now, I doubt we'd get our money back though.
Seems to contradict the story I posted the other day though.
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...jaer-eyes-permanent-deal-for-zaha_148015.html
Seems to contradict the story I posted the other day though.
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...jaer-eyes-permanent-deal-for-zaha_148015.html
Another disastrous game today apparently. Not sure we will get much money back for him. Shame, looked so promising last season.
Forget this season, Zaha deserves his chance with us, under a good manager that is. Seeing him play for England U21s and Palace last season he certainly has the potential. He also needed to get out of OT and play this season so we shouldn't just judge him by his form at Cardiff.
If the board are mad and stupid enough not to sack Moyes this summer and he thinks Zaha should be sold after one season, then Fellaini should be sold as well. Are we going to lose out on such a good young English player cos of this totally inept manager who thinks he knows better than SAF?
If the board are mad and stupid enough not to sack Moyes this summer and he thinks Zaha should be sold after one season, then Fellaini should be sold as well. Are we going to lose out on such a good young English player cos of this totally inept manager who thinks he knows better than SAF?
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I hope he doesn't become another very expensive flop. 
He won't because he wasn't that expensive anyway.
Btw I hate when players go straight to tunnel just because they are substituted, it's one of the worst things in football, I would put them on stands for at least five games after that.
Btw I hate when players go straight to tunnel just because they are substituted, it's one of the worst things in football, I would put them on stands for at least five games after that.
Daehli didnt play well either. Perhaps Cardiff isnt the place to be right now
Everybody wants him to succeed but he just seems to be a colossal idiot.
Cardiff are an utter flop show, so it's a bad place to be on loan. Fabio is jinxed too. Went to QPR when they were in dire straits, and now the same at Cardiff.
Cardiff, Sunderland and Norwich to go down.
Norwich especially will do well to get 1 point from their last 4 games, so today was a must win.
Cardiff, Sunderland and Norwich to go down.
Norwich especially will do well to get 1 point from their last 4 games, so today was a must win.
Bad place to be on loan or not, his attitude seems appalling. Not doing the Ayotollah, a simple tap of the head in acknowledgement of the fans, is criminal.
Yeah, he's stinking up the pitch at Cardiff, but is actually class enough for United. It's just Moyes fault
Yeah but that level is significantly lower than that of the Premier League and Champions League which a club like Manchester United plays at. Potential without the right attitude and work ethic is a problem, as Ravel Morrison has shown (going from United to West Ham down to QPR). Zaha will be 22 this year so it isn't as if he is really that young of a talent. (both Januzaj and Sterling are 19).
If we wanted a gobshite with potential we should have kept Ravel. He is way more talented too.
Yeah, he's stinking up the pitch at Cardiff, but is actually class enough for United. It's just Moyes fault
Yes, let's trust Moyes to decide if a young player is good enough or not for our club (what does SAF know about young players anyway?) cos he's been really poor on loan at Cardiff. What a great idea. Laugh about that one for a few hours.
Do you mean the level that Fellaini has been playing at? He's a mid table midfielder if that.
So SAF, who was responsible for bringing through and developing some of our best ever young players, saw something in Zaha to pay £15m. But now cos Moyes thinks he knows better we should sell him after he's been in the squad for half a season? Is that what you're saying?
Not every young player makes it. Morrison had his issues in Manchester cos of where he came from. But he got his chance like Januzaj. You talk about attitude but Moyes has wanted Zaha out from day one, he preferred Januzaj over him. Is that Zaha's fault? And Smalling was playing non-league not that long ago and Jones was in the championship. Zaha is a talent and deserves his chance under better management. Then we'll see if he's good enough.
Daehli wasnt very good and got the hook too, guess he has attitude problems
Did Daehli walk off the pitch?
Zaha is a bit of a knob, whether it be Twitter or his general demeanour, he just gives the impression that he is one.
Zaha is a bit of a knob, whether it be Twitter or his general demeanour, he just gives the impression that he is one.
Zaha is wasting his talent with his attitude.
Unfortunate. I don't seem him making it with us. Compare him to Bebe, who is doing his very best after being shunted away from Old Trafford to impress.
Unfortunate. I don't seem him making it with us. Compare him to Bebe, who is doing his very best after being shunted away from Old Trafford to impress.
Don't rate Zaha much anyway and to top it off he has a poor attitude and workrate. I doubt he will ever be good enough for this club.
think SAF did know how to handle younger players.....Zaha has ability no doubt....each player needs to be handled differently. Not sure if Moyes will keep him...and that would be a shame. Cardiff with what they are going through are not the place for Zaha or Fabio.
If it's as clear as it seems that he really has the wrong mentality, I'd love for us to ship him out permanently. It'd show all the other youth players and future young players that no matter your talent if you don't have the right work ethic and determination then you won't make it at United.
SAF never worked with him so yes I would trust Moyes' opinion on whether he is a shithead or not. Moyes has brought through great young players too, he is able to spot a talent.
What does Fellaini being not good enough with Zaha not being good enough either? Maybe they're both not good enough. Is that allowed?
Again Moyes has actually worked with him. If he is a shithead then yes he should be out. Fergie sent Ravel packing because he was a gobshite and he is way more talented than Zaha.
Ravel got his chances? He played a total of 67 minutes in the league cup for us and rightfully so. He was a gobshite and you don't reward gobshites. How do you know Moyes wanted Zaha out from day one? He got plenty play on tour and when the season started and the reports of lack of effort in training etc. came out he wasn't playing and if the reports are true then rightfully so. He couldn't even be bothered to show up for a reserve match on time and he expects to play for the first team? Yes, that is his fault. The difference is Smalling and Jones put in the effort and aren't total dickheads. Phil Jones never played in the Championship either. He is a talent but no has no divine right to a chance. He has to work for it, like Januzaj has, like James Wilson has to get on the bench today. We have a whole heap of talented young lads who put it all out there for us who deserve a chance before Zaha if he is going to act the prick.
Attitude is immaterial he is not good enough anyway, a dud.
Where did you drag that big pile of steaming drivel from??
Attitude, attitude............Holloway alluded to it, Southgate (England U/21s) alluded to it, whispers coming out of Carrington alluded to it, now he himself shows us.
How much more proof do people need? The boy just isn't going to make a top class footballer at this or any top club - and I take no pleasure in saying that.
How much more proof do people need? The boy just isn't going to make a top class footballer at this or any top club - and I take no pleasure in saying that.
It was crackbrained to buy this lad for 10m+ in the first place. United played a significant part in his failing. There are so many things wrong with this transfer, that I could write an epic wall of text about it; to make it short.
He was a great championship player/talent, but a transfer to a top4/CL side is just way to big. There is no way that this will ever work. United got caught by the hype-train about a british talent. No rational decision justified to buy him. A player like him needs time on the pitch and the trust of the manager, even when he struggles and even if he plays bad. He needs someone to take the pressure away from him. There is just no way that a club like United is the right place for a talent like this. He has to perform on a proper level almost every game or he´ll be dropped. That expectation is insane; the pressure is way to high. He needs a smaller team, where he has less attention, less pressure and more support.
From a psychological point of view: He was the star in his team; everything works out great; all the attention is positive; little pressure. He is on top of the food-chain. Than the big boys started throwing money at him. Surely he´ll feel like a king, when clubs are willing to pay 10m+. After the transfer his role completely turned around. He is just the random talent and not the star anymore. Its getting tough, you are getting shit from all sides and no time on the pitch. Thats incredibly frustrating, which leads to even worse performance.
After half a season everything went from gold to shit and he gets loaned out. Again he has to adapt to a new environment and the pressure is getting bigger, because now he starts to realize, that his professional carrier is taking a serious hit, if he cant step up. Most young fellas would be out of their depths in this kind of situation.
Yes - it looks like he has problems with his attitude, but at this age I expect the managers/coaches to take him by the hand and support him. Thats their fecking job and moral duty. I have no problem when a club boots a fecker like Osvaldo, who is 28 and knows the busyness; but spitting out a young man without proper support, because the club gambled on the transfer is just wrong - morally wrong. Just because he earns a shitload of money (compared to the average working guy), doesnt allow a club to treat him this way.
tl;dr: He might be a massive idiot but I feel sorry for him; even so its common business for most clubs to act like this, its wrong and its sad that United also does that. The only thing that he can pray for is, that he finds a smaller club with a good coach, who actually cares about him, and is able to bring him back on the right track.
He was a great championship player/talent, but a transfer to a top4/CL side is just way to big. There is no way that this will ever work. United got caught by the hype-train about a british talent. No rational decision justified to buy him. A player like him needs time on the pitch and the trust of the manager, even when he struggles and even if he plays bad. He needs someone to take the pressure away from him. There is just no way that a club like United is the right place for a talent like this. He has to perform on a proper level almost every game or he´ll be dropped. That expectation is insane; the pressure is way to high. He needs a smaller team, where he has less attention, less pressure and more support.
From a psychological point of view: He was the star in his team; everything works out great; all the attention is positive; little pressure. He is on top of the food-chain. Than the big boys started throwing money at him. Surely he´ll feel like a king, when clubs are willing to pay 10m+. After the transfer his role completely turned around. He is just the random talent and not the star anymore. Its getting tough, you are getting shit from all sides and no time on the pitch. Thats incredibly frustrating, which leads to even worse performance.
After half a season everything went from gold to shit and he gets loaned out. Again he has to adapt to a new environment and the pressure is getting bigger, because now he starts to realize, that his professional carrier is taking a serious hit, if he cant step up. Most young fellas would be out of their depths in this kind of situation.
Yes - it looks like he has problems with his attitude, but at this age I expect the managers/coaches to take him by the hand and support him. Thats their fecking job and moral duty. I have no problem when a club boots a fecker like Osvaldo, who is 28 and knows the busyness; but spitting out a young man without proper support, because the club gambled on the transfer is just wrong - morally wrong. Just because he earns a shitload of money (compared to the average working guy), doesnt allow a club to treat him this way.
tl;dr: He might be a massive idiot but I feel sorry for him; even so its common business for most clubs to act like this, its wrong and its sad that United also does that. The only thing that he can pray for is, that he finds a smaller club with a good coach, who actually cares about him, and is able to bring him back on the right track.
Sorry, but I don't accept the premise that you're basing your conclusions on - that it's everyone's fault but his. It's not. He's old enough to know what he needs to do to become a top class player but he's clearly not prepared to put in the work and show the right attitude. He's just one player amongst thousands with potential (not talent, potential) and in any sport the only ones who succeed are the ones who are prepared to work their socks off to develop their skills and fulfil their potential.
It was down to him to take responsibility for his own career, no one else.
Cardiff fans do not want him anywhere near their club, unlike Fabio who they think is a decent enough offensive player.
I didn't know he was turning 22 soon. Thought he was 19 or so. He really needs to sort out his attitude soon enough, though it might be too late already.
I didn't know he was turning 22 soon. Thought he was 19 or so. He really needs to sort out his attitude soon enough, though it might be too late already.
That is exactly what Cardiff could have been for him. And no, that's not the only thing he can do. He can start by sorting out his attitude, which has not been the best from wherever I've heard about it, and take things from there.
THe opinions on Zaha on here at the start of the season compared to the opinions of him on here now is conclusive proof that the caf is full of melodramatic idiots.
I think you need to explain that conclusion more fully.
He's gone from being as good as Ronaldo to some kind of rebellious, completely worthless gimp, despite there being very little evidence of either.
I dont think noodle needs to explain this one at all, he is right on the money.
I don't think anyone ever said he was as good as Ronaldo. He simply hasn't shown any evidence that he could become a top class player.
Also compare the opinions on RvP at the start of the season and before to the opinions of him now.
And then they have the nerve to call footballers mercenaries.
I think it's really odd that people are still blaming Moyes for this. Yeah, he could have given him lots of games but if, as has been suggested, he has attitude or application problems then why in the world would he reward that? And having gone to Cardiff and done the square root of feck it seems to me that Moyes had it right. No one has a divine right to chances if they're not doing the work, regardless of what age they are or what they cost. If a young player can't take a kick up the arse and come back stronger then they're not going to be a top player. It's up to him now to get his career back on track and match his talent with the other, equally important stuff.
Let's see, he was never properly given his chance after signing and wanted to go out on loan ASAP, this after only a few months. So either he doesn't want to work with Moyes and/or vice versa. Maybe cos Moyes didn't sign him?
Not always. There was Morrison and Pogba. It would be a shame to lose a talent cos we have such a bad manager, a player that SAF rated so highly. If Zaha is given a proper chance and it doesn't work out, then fair enough, it happens all the time. Not every signing is successful. But selling Zaha based on just a few months this season is totally stupid.
People are saying Zaha should be sold after just a few months for not being good enough. We could say the same about Fellaini. Total waste of money and like Moyes, he looks like he's out of his depth. And a few games on tour isn't sufficient preparation for a league season and Zaha cannot be judged only on that.
Maybe Zaha has a problem with Moyes, like the rest of our team cos he hasn't got a clue how to manage them. If we get a better manager and Zaha still has this attitude as you say or has been speculated, then yeah, sell him cos we'll know something isn't right with him.
Forgotten the pre season tour have we?
No, but pre-season tours are just warm up games. It's silly to judge any new player based on that.
Its where Adnan first made his claim....
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