I can't speak for others, but personally I'm commenting on his performance tonight, which was abysmal. I hope he does well at Cardiff, and returns to us full of confidence to fulfil this amazing potential some feel he has, but the idea that he should be here starting ahead of Young and Valencia is nothing short of ludicrous. I think many are sick of some using Zaha not starting for the Champions as yet another stick to beat Moyes with.
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Seems to me that Moyes might be right. However, we should probably give Zaha the benefit of the doubt and let him find some match fitness. I saw little evidence of his amazing pace and trickery today though - looked almost sluggish and lost the ball far too easily.
You have to remember he's not playing against Championship standard players now.
Yeah, well Redmond looks twice the player; pacier, more tricks, more agile and doesn't dally as much on the ball. Both came from the Championship.
I didn't watch toni9ght's game but i did see much of the Welsh derby the weekend just gone, and i can't imagine that many people would be calling for him to be in our starting XI tomorrow for one. That he might have shown more of his potential given a greater frequent cameos during Sept/Oct, is not a wholly implausible argument though. As for the present day and Cardiff...time will tell.
True. Maybe Redmond realised he still needed to improve whereas Zaha felt he'd made it when he signed for us.
Noone looked twice the player tonight. However, Zaha is capable of much more than we saw, I've seen him play similarly against Brighton in the first leg of the playoff where he was very poor, and then in the second leg he was fantastic. Even in the Playoff final he had an appalling opening twenty minutes where he looked conference level, but then for the rest of the game he was tremendous. At times he can look like he can never beat a fullback, at others he looks like a world beater, I don't think it's down to the players he's up against, I think it's down to him and his mentality. Of course all this is quite normal with young players, and I'm hoping this loan will do him the world of good, the danger is he'll be dropped after tonight.
The exclusion of Zaha was one David Moyes decision I was never inclined to dispute. He has a few attributes, but the total package is far below United standards..
Spot on. People are trying to have their cake and eat it. Zaha's lack of games was used as a yet another reason by the usual suspects to portray Moyes as clueless.
Now we see his decision not to risk playing him get vindicated with each poor performance, the same people are closing ranks and saying it's unfair to be critical of one so young.
Pffft. Just one of the many annoying inconsistencies among some on here since Fergie left the club.
The claims that he's already a better player than Young and Valencia are fecking laughable.
Oh and just so we're clear. A poor first season in the PL isn't reason enough to write off a young player who is obviously very talented. My only real concern is his mentality. The Instagram jibe didn't bode well in that regard. Needs to keep his gob shut, his ears open and work his arse off. If he does, he could be an exceptional player.
I'm not sure he's all that talented neither tbh. But we will see. Wouldnt agree that he isnt better than Valencia though. The fecker had an awful 2 seasons now.
Zaha is talented, just unpolished. My biggest concern is his attitude which is plain to see by all to not be professional. Players with bad attitudes tend to be poor trainers which is probably why he never gets picked for us. Combine all that with no inclination to track back and you can see why Moyes doesnt pick him but still he has talent.
If Zaha had got as many minutes as Valencia this season we'd be at least half a dozen points worse off, probably more.
That's not saying much, bebe could've had a better season than valenica.
That's what premarital sex does to you Zaha.
The lad hasn't played all season and has 3 first poor matches, lacking match fitness. Boo fecking hoo...
Give him a chance.
Give him a chance.
He obviously hates ticket holders in row Z though.
Really?
You are talking like Valencia is having excellent season? He is easily our worst first team regular this season, and that's saying a lot because we have so many players who are performing bellow their abilities, I don't think Zaha would be anything worse than him, especially half a dozen points worse.
We played with Rooney- van Persie one week, Welbeck-Januzaj other game, and Chicharito-Giggs in other other game and we barely saw any differences in our game or our results especially, and Rooney-van Persie should be clearly superior to those other two pairings mentioned, so why would you think that Zaha would make us that worse if we played him instead of our worst performer this year?
Btw, I don't think Zaha should have been given more chances, I don't think he is that good as some think he is, but I don't think we would be half a dozen points worse even if we played Buttner at right wing. Liverpool played fecking Aspas in lot of games earlier this season(when they were missing Suarez to play there) and they won lot of games with him in the team, including the game against us, and you think we would be half a dozen points worse if we played Zaha instead of Valencia.
How do you know that?
What did he do?
He's not.
I like how you slag off people for being daft and make totally ridiculous posts like this. Yea yea, criticize the post and not the poster, but get off your high horse.
Why would you say that.
I'm not sure with him, he has moments where he looks skillful but he has a pretty bad touch and then the ball always seems so far away from his body, but then he's usually fast enough and tall enough to reach the ball and keep it under control. Bit of a weird dribbling style I think is all it is. It was clear during the first game of pre season that Januzaj had way more talent then him though (remember a few people debating on who was better at the time).
Becoming a top class professional in any sport involves more than just having talent, how many kids have you seen who look like world beaters at an early age but never even make it to the professional ranks?
All Zaha has at the moment is potential, and I believe that's why Fergie bought him. It was up to him though to work hard, put what the coaches were telling him into practice and develop his game. Had he done that I'm sure he would have been given his chance. Clearly he showed nothing in training that justified a place in the first team.
You don't get to play for Manchester United as of right, you have to earn your place.
All Zaha has at the moment is potential, and I believe that's why Fergie bought him. It was up to him though to work hard, put what the coaches were telling him into practice and develop his game. Had he done that I'm sure he would have been given his chance. Clearly he showed nothing in training that justified a place in the first team.
You don't get to play for Manchester United as of right, you have to earn your place.
I agree that he shouldn't have been starting games over Valencia, but I have no idea how you can come to that conclusion.
In terms of a potentially game changing substitution he'd have most likely had more impact due to the flair and unpredictability he has which Valencia lacks. I doubt we'd be significantly better off for it mind but it would have been welcome for sure.
I've seen enough of him at both U21 level and at palace to know that you wrong, he is already very talented he does however need to be molded into more of a team player as he is a very raw talent. Of course its down to him and reports of him not being a good trainer are worrying, but if he finds his feet anywhere and begins to fulfill that talent he will become a very good player.
What's daft about what he said?
Stick him on ignore. It's invigorating.
Well to be fair it was pulled out of thin air with nothing to back it.
The decision to send him on loan has probably been one of the best decision Moyes had made since joining the club. I'm still not seeing what's so special about him, looks a player who has technique but is clueless on how to properly use it (yet).
If Fergie was around Zaha would probably have started all the league cup games. That would probably be the only difference between him and Moyes. He wanted to get a trophy on the board and didnt take many risks.
I suppose I may appear to be one of those, and a conversation via text is not always best to garner emotion from. I would love for Zaha to be great, but at the same time, if you felt fairly sure from the beginning that he would not be, and then all of his performances seem to justify it, your comments will be portrayed as an agenda. The fact is, I'm not expecting him to prove me wrong, that's the issue. I would love him to, but seen little to suggest he will.
I was criticised for being too harsh on him in pre-season, while others seemed to be raving about his performances while I personally wasn't impressed. In any case, I don't think there is much wrong with being consistent with your view anyway. The caf is very quick to call people 'knee-jerk' and imply that they are always changing their mind with any opinion. Perhaps that subconciously causes posters to register their concerns early on.
Given what Ole and Olly have said about him, I think it's clear that he's very talented. There must be reasons that are holding him back, but I doubt talent is one of them.
This sums it up perfectly.
Eer...anyone seen what he just tweeted?
Don't know how to embed but:
'I just want the baddest girl on my lap'
Strange boy
Don't know how to embed but:
'I just want the baddest girl on my lap'
Strange boy
It's from a couple of years ago, but yeah, he's some chancer.
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