Why aren't the other teams in the Premier League rallying to have City ousted?

Forgive me if I seem particularly slow in this thread, but how is it none of the affected clubs are ranting and raving today about Chelsea’s actions that have cost them titles and trophies? This, independent of City’s actions, should be an absolute shit storm in the making, and yet neither club nor media are lasering in on these shenanigans.

We hear about the threat of City obfuscating and lawyering up, but in this instance, shouldn’t the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and a host of others be threatening the Voltron mechazoid of lawyer team ups to get their due? What part of the covenant is muting all of these clubs as we haven’t heard a peep out of any of them, yet it’s their legitimate titles and trophies that are at stake here.
 
Fortitude said:
Forgive me if I seem particularly slow in this thread, but how is it none of the affected clubs are ranting and raving today about Chelsea’s actions that have cost them titles and trophies? This, independent of City’s actions, should be an absolute shit storm in the making, and yet neither club nor media are lasering in on these shenanigans.

We hear about the threat of City obfuscating and lawyering up, but in this instance, shouldn’t the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and a host of others be threatening the Voltron mechazoid of lawyer team ups to get their due? What part of the covenant is muting all of these clubs as we haven’t heard a peep out of any of them, yet it’s their legitimate titles and trophies that are at stake here.
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Probably because investigations are ongoing and it doesn't help to have other clubs making statements asking for punishments before any verdict has actually been reached?
 
The problem the league faces is any insignificant punishment would just be an alert for Newcastle, Chelsea and potentially any other club that will be purchased in the next few years by a state or conglomerate to spend as recklessly in a way that neglects the rules with minimal ramifications. This is perhaps the most important element as opposed to the idea of punishing city themselves.

It becomes a question of what precedent does the English league set when a team is in breach of the legislation. So now it's also a question of credibility for the league this is a far bigger issue than what's on the surface.
 
Fortitude said:
Forgive me if I seem particularly slow in this thread, but how is it none of the affected clubs are ranting and raving today about Chelsea’s actions that have cost them titles and trophies? This, independent of City’s actions, should be an absolute shit storm in the making, and yet neither club nor media are lasering in on these shenanigans.

We hear about the threat of City obfuscating and lawyering up, but in this instance, shouldn’t the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, United and a host of others be threatening the Voltron mechazoid of lawyer team ups to get their due? What part of the covenant is muting all of these clubs as we haven’t heard a peep out of any of them, yet it’s their legitimate titles and trophies that are at stake here.
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I've found nothing on the net that suggests the charges are a foregone conclusion (for either Chelsea or City). Unlike fans, clubs probably believe in a final verdict of guilt before asking for smackdowns to be laid down :)
 
Redstain said:
The problem the league faces is any insignificant punishment would just be an alert for Newcastle, Chelsea and potentially any other club that will be purchased in the next few years by a state or conglomerate to spend as recklessly in a way that neglects the rules with minimal ramifications. This is perhaps the most important element as opposed to the idea of punishing city themselves.

It becomes a question of what precedent does the English league set when a team is in breach of the legislation. So now it's also a question of credibility for the league this is a far bigger issue than what's on the surface.
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Yes, as the PL, you want to deter future actors from going down the same path Chelsea/City trod.

Also, as the PL, you don't want to trash your reputation by sending 2 teams (who've won 12 PL titles between them, I think) down to the abyss, causing multiple negative PR headlines.

Similar to the quiet announcement of the 115 charges, the PL will look to give them a slap on the wrist, promise even more severe and swift punishment to future violators, and draw a line under it. Some clubs will complain and then move on.
 
Captmfla said:
City spends just as much as us. Arsenal and Liverpool is close behind.

City just has the knack of signing very good players. Maybe they have better scouts.

Liverpool and Arsenal also have decent scouts.
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Look at their quality in depth of the squad as the difference. They could comfortably challenge for the title if they fielded their bench alone all season and it means they're mostly unaffected by injuries.
 
adexkola said:
I've found nothing on the net that suggests the charges are a foregone conclusion (for either Chelsea or City). Unlike fans, clubs probably believe in a final verdict of guilt before asking for smackdowns to be laid down :)
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Yeah @Alex99 just said similar, but I believe counterplay must be being readied and the first round of that is putting extra pressure on the governing bodies via the expression of outrage at the integrity of the competition being taken into serious disrepute.

I guess reassurances are being sought behind the scenes to assuage the concerns of the affected parties, but the baying mob need rotten fruit and public parading!

Just imagining the same scenario played out in another league, I wonder if it’d all be so muted the day after such a reveal.
 
Fortitude said:
Yeah @Alex99 just said similar, but I believe counterplay must be being readied and the first round of that is putting extra pressure on the governing bodies via the expression of outrage at the integrity of the competition being taken into serious disrepute.

I guess reassurances are being sought behind the scenes to assuage the concerns of the affected parties, but the baying mob need rotten fruit and public parading!

Just imagining the same scenario played out in another league, I wonder if it’d all be so muted the day after such a reveal.
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I imagine there's a readiness to respond should a verdict be reached, but given there's no timeline on that, it's not really something to worry about.

There's nothing to gain from United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc. coming out now and saying they City/Chelsea should get x points deduction/be stripped of titles/be relegated.
 
Alex99 said:
I imagine there's a readiness to respond should a verdict be reached, but given there's no timeline on that, it's not really something to worry about.

There's nothing to gain from United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc. coming out now and saying they City/Chelsea should get x points deduction/be stripped of titles/be relegated.
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Pressure is a genuine tool and makes clear the wronged parties aren’t going to take things lightly and are ready to take their own course of action. I’m going to hazard a guess that the clubs are talking to one another and have a course of action agreed upon.
 
Pughnichi said:
An interesting watch, particularly when CAS got involved

pretty damning…if not sensationalised

even a blue must feel some shame watching this
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Seen this and its pretty incredible how they managed to slither their way out of every charge with some kind of loophole or delay tactic even with the most damning evidence available. Don't remember the exact particulars right now, but to top it all off they essentially got to elect 2/3 of the court panel which voted for their European ban to be overturned.
 
Fortitude said:
Pressure is a genuine tool and makes clear the wronged parties aren’t going to take things lightly and are ready to take their own course of action. I’m going to hazard a guess that the clubs are talking to one another and have a course of action agreed upon.
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Let's say the PL hand down a light sentence, or the panels rule in favor of Chelsea/City. What recourse do the aggrieved clubs have?
 
adexkola said:
Let's say the PL hand down a light sentence, or the panels rule in favor of Chelsea/City. What recourse do the aggrieved clubs have?
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Now that would be an interesting question, but really depends on how far those clubs would be prepared to take their grievance, and from the look of things thus far, I’m not sure they’ll do their utmost to contest the ruling. It all feels very odd to me.
 
Fortitude said:
Pressure is a genuine tool and makes clear the wronged parties aren’t going to take things lightly and are ready to take their own course of action. I’m going to hazard a guess that the clubs are talking to one another and have a course of action agreed upon.
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Pressure doesn't necessarily mean wild public statements about relegation though.
 
Sandikan said:
The answer to why more teams don't complain, is probably because very few are affected by it.

I was always surprised Arsenal fans didn't seem to care, especially as there was a period they were regularly pillaged by City for their players.
With Arsenal having their first league challenge for a couple of decades, NOW I think they'll start to understand what other clubs have moaned about.
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It is just another team with a sugar daddy, good for them. Same for Newcastle and Chelsea. The more the merrier for EPL.
 
Seveneric said:
United fans are only extra loud about it because it's City (something which does not apply to other clubs), let's not pretend otherwise.
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That's a pretty dim reading of the situation.
It's more that they're matching and bettering our records based on their financial doping.

You're probably the type who says "but United spend more" totally missing all context.
 
Seveneric said:
United fans are only extra loud about it because it's City (something which does not apply to other clubs), let's not pretend otherwise.
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If it was Liverpool I could see your point but City doesnt really mean that much to us.
 
Alex99 said:
Pressure doesn't necessarily mean wild public statements about relegation though.
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The giants making any kind of statement about the goings on is enough. Comments about relegation don’t have to be uttered to send shockwaves through the game.
 
To other clubs most of the time it is the club with the most resources win the league. It doesn't matter to them where the money comes from, whether it is external investment from wealthy investors, or from the commercial side of a traditional big club that has strong fan base and followings oversea.

For the league, the players and the agent, the more money invested in the industry the better. Everybody wins.
 
VARsenal said:
Seen this and its pretty incredible how they managed to slither their way out of every charge with some kind of loophole or delay tactic even with the most damning evidence available. Don't remember the exact particulars right now, but to top it all off they essentially got to elect 2/3 of the court panel which voted for their European ban to be overturned.
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Aye, the loophole being that both parties can suggest who they want on the panel and if the opposition don’t like it, they can contest it. The issue being here…why city selections weren’t contested when it was clear to outsiders what was happening
 
Sandikan said:
That's a pretty dim reading of the situation.
It's more that they're matching and bettering our records based on their financial doping.

You're probably the type who says "but United spend more" totally missing all context.
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probably both right. Didn’t see too many Utd fans bothered about PSG dominating their league. I can’t say I know too much about either club dealings but outside looking in, rich owners, both targeted by FFP.

I personally just think FIFA see these clubs as nothing more than a cash cow, with multi million fines. They’re not bothered about the impact it has and the integrity of the sport

And honestly, if Sheikh was to prove a successful bid rather than SJR, we’d be under the same spotlight and plenty fans would just shrug shoulders and turn a blind eye…cos we’ve just won the quadruple.
 
To answer the OP, I'd imagine that a lot of clubs are keeping their powder dry, safe in the knowledge that justice will be swift, effective and completely self-serving.
 
Pughnichi said:
if Sheikh was to prove a successful bid rather than SJR, we’d be under the same spotlight and plenty fans would just shrug shoulders and turn a blind eye…cos we’ve just won the quadruple.
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Shiekh Jassim owning Man Utd would be a completely different scenario as we would be owned by an actual person rather than a state like City and Newcastle are and we already are a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself so we wouldnt need to sponsor our own shirts or use way above market value sponsorships with Qatari based companies to boost our revenue.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Shiekh Jassim owning Man Utd would be a completely different scenario as we would be owned by an actual person rather than a state like City and Newcastle are and we already are a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself so we wouldnt need to sponsor our own shirts or use way above market value sponsorships with Qatari based companies to boost our revenue.
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If you are going down that route then City are officially owned outright by Sheikh Mansour.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Shiekh Jassim owning Man Utd would be a completely different scenario as we would be owned by an actual person rather than a state like City and Newcastle are and we already are a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself so we wouldnt need to sponsor our own shirts or use way above market value sponsorships with Qatari based companies to boost our revenue.
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Utd now is not owned by an actual person?
Utd now is not already a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself?

so why bet for a sugar daddy?
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
To other clubs most of the time it is the club with the most resources win the league. It doesn't matter to them where the money comes from, whether it is external investment from wealthy investors, or from the commercial side of a traditional big club that has strong fan base and followings oversea.

For the league, the players and the agent, the more money invested in the industry the better. Everybody wins.
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Imagine a league with 20 oligarchs, each with unlimited wealth. Amazing stuff
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Utd now is not owned by an actual person?
Utd now is not already a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself?

so why bet for a sugar daddy?
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Because the Glazers will still be here and the debt will still be here.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Shiekh Jassim owning Man Utd would be a completely different scenario as we would be owned by an actual person rather than a state like City and Newcastle are and we already are a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself so we wouldnt need to sponsor our own shirts or use way above market value sponsorships with Qatari based companies to boost our revenue.
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Have they ever actually established that this Jassim guy is actually a real live human?
Is there actually more than that one picture of him? :lol:
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Shiekh Jassim owning Man Utd would be a completely different scenario as we would be owned by an actual person rather than a state like City and Newcastle are and we already are a global brand with a turnover big enough for the club to fund itself so we wouldnt need to sponsor our own shirts or use way above market value sponsorships with Qatari based companies to boost our revenue.
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This actual one person Sheikh Jassim what is his source of wealth beyond being an Oligarch like Mansoor Khelafi Roman
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Because all clubs are taking a piece of the corruption pie one way or another.
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Well we don't know but my guess would be that there's a probably few other PL clubs that have some dodgy financials that they don't want exposing
 
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