Why aren't the other teams in the Premier League rallying to have City ousted?

krazyrobus said:
I would say, you would be vocal if you didn't have some shady skeletons in your closet. My gut feeling is every club has some inkling of a shady dealing and you would not want focus shifted to you.
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Yes, City will play dirty and I don't think other legal teams will handle it.

At what point does the PL worry about City's dominance though? Even before a ball was kicked this season, everyone felt City would win it. Even in March when Arsenal were clear in front, no one ruled City out? Now Arsenal have stumbled and City have capitalised, City are being heralded for doing what is natural to them and the gap is widening. All well saying teams need to 'compete' but how can you when their squad has unrivalled depth?

The worst part is when City win the title, Pep will have a go at the media for 'making it difficult' and the pundits will apologise and lap it up. He is lucky he works for a club which can manage the business portfolio as well as do the PR.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yes, City will play dirty and I don't think other legal teams will handle it.

At what point does the PL worry about City's dominance though? Even before a ball was kicked this season, everyone felt City would win it. Even in March when Arsenal were clear in front, no one ruled City out? Now Arsenal have stumbled and City have capitalised, City are being heralded for doing what is natural to them and the gap is widening. All well saying teams need to 'compete' but how can you when their squad has unrivalled depth?

The worst part is when City win the title, Pep will have a go at the media for 'making it difficult' and the pundits will apologise and lap it up. He is lucky he works for a club which can manage the business portfolio as well as do the PR.
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You have mentioned this now several times over the last few days/weeks.
So what? The charges will still be there. It would actually be hilarious if in the moment of his team’s triumph he himself reminded everyone of their cheating. I hope he does.
 
What would it accomplish? I think it would be counterproductive for the other clubs to grab the torches and pitchforks and demand City's removal. It would open the way for questions about whether any potential verdict was influenced by the clubs who, in turn, can be argued to have self-interest behind their demand for punishment. Manchester City is the top club in England these days and there's at least half a dozen other clubs that could benefit immensely from their downfall, both monetarily and in sporting terms.

None of us know for a fact that City are guilty. It seems very obvious that they are, and there's more than enough smoke to justify calling the fire brigade, but there's a reason they do investigations before making a verdict. Even though it's very hard to believe that they're innocent, we don't have concrete evidence at our disposal that shows they're not. The same presumably goes for the clubs themselves. For that reason, calling for City's removal is essentially calling for execution without trial. That only helps City argue that any punishment they face is tainted by pressure from the league, borne of disingenuous self-interest. That's why the clubs are waiting instead.
 
duffer said:
In tons of different ways. Myriad different financial shenanigans from "incentives" offered to the parents of kids upwards, doping, and of course the blatant on-field cheating which happens every single game.

If you think there's a team in the English league system that hasn't cheated in the past 12 months, you are crazy.

None of them have any sort of moral high ground to stand on.
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There are levels to everything in life, crime also, but most of what you say are just unfounded allegations. you throw out the doping allegation, so who is doping? What evidence do you have to go on?
 
Best for all parties to stay out of it and allow the process to be carried out.

City have had charges but they haven’t been found guilty at the moment. I think we all know that City are guilty but no party, be it a football club or the media can go and start pointing fingers at the moment. Also City have some very powerful people running that football club (too powerful to be involved in football), they certainly have the clout to beat the charges.
 
Righteous Steps said:
There are levels to everything in life, crime also, but most of what you say are just unfounded allegations. you throw out the doping allegation, so who is doping? What evidence do you have to go on?
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I joke about having "contacts" on here all the time but I do have a family member who has been a pretty high level youth coach for donkeys years, I've heard about many things over the years that are against the rules.

Even if you dismiss the above sentence as bollocks (which is fair enough I guess but I ain't putting my brother-in-laws name out there), If you don't think a ton of these players won't do absolutely anything to make it (and then stay at the top), you have a more noble outlook of people than I.

Football is a dirty game from top to bottom. Be it pretending to have a head injury so the game gets stopped to taking something to help you recover from an injury a bit faster.
 
They’ll be paying off more people than the average fan would imagine.

They’ll be paying off other clubs’ employees.

I guarantee that if the full extent of their corruption was known it’d send shockwaves through the whole of sport, not just football.
 
City seem to be good for everyone, don't they? Sure, sometimes fans of about two or three clubs complain, when they think about the title chances of their own clubs. But then they open another thread or tweet and go on about how awesome the PL, with City as its first representative, is. Everyone else probably just straight up profits (indirectly) by having them in the league.
 
yumtum said:
It will be very interesting to see/hear the narrative from the media if we get taken over by a nation state.

We're seeing City and Newcastle being pushed as fairytale stories, wonder if they'd have the balls (my guess is yes) to condemn our owners.
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I know. A friend of mine is seriously considering giving up his support of United if the Qataris buy us, which I'm disappointed by.
My argument has been that we've stood by and watched the glazers drain our potential and City demolish the competition with cheating, human rights abusing owners for years, and now when a similarly despicable but rich owner fecks the glazers off, he's cutting his nose off to spite his face about it.

I'd say our ownership situation will be ignored or lauded as well, especially if we become successful.
but you wouldn't know with the abu media.
 
duffer said:
In tons of different ways. Myriad different financial shenanigans from "incentives" offered to the parents of kids upwards, doping, and of course the blatant on-field cheating which happens every single game.

If you think there's a team in the English league system that hasn't cheated in the past 12 months, you are crazy.

None of them have any sort of moral high ground to stand on.
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Claiming a throw in you suspect isn't yours or on pitch dark arts are one thing.

City are posting income similar to United, an absolute world wide leader of a marketing operation with 100s of millions more fans worldwide.
It's slightly different levels.
 
They've benefited massively from being a tiny irrelevant club. The energy would be unreal if it was us or a bigger club.
 
The Irish Connection said:
They have very persuasive people influencing the media no doubt.

What gets me is that if they win a treble, the media will be gushing about how they are equal or even better than our 99 side which had 4 academy starters in it.
They have gotten where they are by cheating, but no one will really care if they get away with it.
Its the same for top level football in general, it’s poisoned but no one cares.
‘Bring on the Qataris!’
Newcastle owned by Saudi, a few grumbles and then oh well, back to the football!
Players costing hundreds of millions and getting hundreds of thousands a week while mostly being nobheads. etc.
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honestly, this years City team would annihilate united 99
 
GinobiliTheGOAT said:
honestly, this years City team would annihilate united 99
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Same team who literally can’t keep a PL clean sheet, have lost this season to THIS Man Utd side… as well as losing to THIS SEASON’S Spurs, Liverpool and Brentford…?

Not to mention how much football has changed in 24 years.

It’d be like bragging in ‘99 that the treble team would’ve ‘annihilated’ a team from 1975.

The PL that 99 season was way more competitive than the dross City are playing against.

Add to that the 99 team had, what, 4 academy players in it?

It’s obvious which team is the greater achievement.
 
because integrity isnt as important as the prospect of a state buying your club....

i think the majority of Premier League owners dream of a bit fat State bid
 
For people actually involved in professional football, the equation is probably a lot simpler than for those outside the game. More money in football? Yes, please.
 
The Premier League has allowed, allows and will probably continue allowing a lot of financial doping by pretty much any owner willing to invest crazy amounts of money in his team. It's not easy to complain when so many teams cheat.
 
The answer to why more teams don't complain, is probably because very few are affected by it.

I was always surprised Arsenal fans didn't seem to care, especially as there was a period they were regularly pillaged by City for their players.
With Arsenal having their first league challenge for a couple of decades, NOW I think they'll start to understand what other clubs have moaned about.
 
GinobiliTheGOAT said:
honestly, this years City team would annihilate united 99
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Well of course they would. Things like tactics, training and nutrition have evolved so much. Honestly, a good Championship side would give the 99 team a game. The Brazil 1970 team wouldn't stand a chance. They're not a better team though.
 
Most football fans(Including United fans) are simply jealous of City and wish it was their team.
 
Sweet Square said:
Most football fans(Including United fans) are simply jealous of City and wish it was their team.
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Another solid point. As much as they were laughed at here, I think the way Newcastle fans generally responded to their takeover is the way that at least 95% of the fanbases of almost every club would respond in similar circumstances
 
I think the real drama is yet to start, once it all kicks off properly things could get nasty. They’re probably still under investigation, when more details leak other teams will react accordingly. Just give it time.
If nothing happens then it probably means many clubs are doing shady stuff. This last option would be the least surprising bit.
We’ll see how it ends, the EPL is due a scandal, i’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet.
 
GinobiliTheGOAT said:
honestly, this years City team would annihilate united 99
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:lol:

Jesus. That team had probably the best PL goalkeeper ever, two full backs consistently among the top named in their positions, Jaap Stam was the best defender in Europe that season. The midfield was the best the premier league has ever seen, bar none. And Yorke and Cole were almost unstoppable. It was a fearless team playing incredible football and managed by the best manager there's ever been - but sure, they'd be 'annihilated'. Put down the playstation control maybe.
 
Sweet Square said:
Most football fans(Including United fans) are simply jealous of City and wish it was their team.
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This is really lazy stuff. That might be true for the average twitter football fan but pretty much every United fan I know in life, guys Ive known for decades, are absolutely dead set against Qatar and want out if we fall to that. It's a lazy slightly juvenile argument that plays perfectly into a narrative actually peddled by senior people at city. It's what mums tell their bullied kids - 'they're just jealous.' I would absolutely love Ten Hag to kick on and win a title. Get bought by Qatar - spend 2 billion, have hundreds of charges and zero respect in global football while winning several at a canter? No thanks
 
How is City making everyone richer? Wasn't the PL before 2010 already the richest league and was on the rise anyway? Sure, they increased the fees and at one point, clubs (like Arsenal) were happy to receive them. But inflation hits everyone eventually.
And it's not like City is buying from the PL exclusively. Of course, City has invested too in other fields but I thinj people seem to overstate the financial benefits and make it seem like the PL is dependent on City's financial doping.

I think in the long term, the PL will lose its appeal if two state clubs just compete for the title.

Anyway, I think that City and Newcastle just make the "reaction" from the media and the political world during the European Super League hypocritical.
 
GinobiliTheGOAT said:
honestly, this years City team would annihilate united 99
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Im not sure whether or not this is true as they play a completely different style of Football to what the 99 team played however I think the Man Utd team of 08 and 09 would annihilate the current City side who are not even the best side City have had since they were formed in 08.

Sweet Square said:
Most football fans(Including United fans) are simply jealous of City and wish it was their team.
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I really dont think there is anything for anyone to be jealous of
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Im not sure whether or not this is true as they play a completely different style of Football to what the 99 team played however I think the Man Utd team of 08 and 09 would annihilate the current City side who are not even the best side City have had since they were formed in 08.
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The 93/94 lads would pummel them.
 
Because it has nothing to do with football, but with politics and huge shitloads of money they can feck the City/UK with.
 
RedBanker said:
You can do one mate.
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It probably would, though. The standard required to win the league has gotten higher in recent years (as you would expect due to the influx of resources, players and coaches). A better question would be what would a prime SAF do with the boatload of money that has been spent at United since he retired? That team would certainly be formidable.
 
united_99 said:
You have mentioned this now several times over the last few days/weeks.
So what? The charges will still be there. It would actually be hilarious if in the moment of his team’s triumph he himself reminded everyone of their cheating. I hope he does.
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Because the media annoyingly will defend him. And do his bidding.
 
Daydreamer said:
It probably would, though. The standard required to win the league has gotten higher in recent years (as you would expect due to the influx of resources, players and coaches). A better question would be what would a prime SAF do with the boatload of money that has been spent at United since he retired? That team would certainly be formidable.
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The Glazers would never have granted the same funds to Fergie
 
adexkola said:
Maybe because for the vast majority of clubs aren't United or Liverpool or Arsenal, it makes no difference whether the club at the top "earned their money" or didn't... They'll still get shafted under the current framework designed to keep top clubs at the top?

You think Everton cared that the money we used to buy Rooney was earned?

Anyways, what do I know? Football was amazing before 2003.
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Cheating doesn't have to affect you directly for it to be considered wrong or for you to call it wrong.
 
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duffer said:
In tons of different ways. Myriad different financial shenanigans from "incentives" offered to the parents of kids upwards, doping, and of course the blatant on-field cheating which happens every single game.

If you think there's a team in the English league system that hasn't cheated in the past 12 months, you are crazy.

None of them have any sort of moral high ground to stand on.
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Most clubs would be dissuaded from cheating (doping, financial, etc.) by the consequences. Morality doesn't come into it when money is involved. I don't believe most clubs are cheating.

On field cheating is a pre requisite now to being a top footballer. You gain so much from cheating that you do have to rehearse it almost now.
 
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