Its funny watching people try to justify Van Persie is better by going back to the Eredivisie or comparing goal ratio's from many seasons past. This is a thread about their level right now - not the absolute best they have been capable of. Van Persie has been nowhere near Suarez for a while now and he's only getting older while Suarez remains in his prime for a few years yet.
Who is better, RVP or Suarez?
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The thread is who is better, both in their prime and now. Not just now.
Suarez is obviously better now and had much better season.
In the league in 11/12 RVP started 37 games compared with Suarez's 33 last season.
So RVP had a better World Cup, meaning he has the best level right now?
Suarez only had 2 very good seasons in England, last year was hist best and his second best season was probably at Ajax, followed by his 2012-2013 season.
So if you want to know who the best player is you might want to look for more than just 33 goals in 31 matches and forget about evertything, and try to make a comparison.
@Eboue was right though, should've stuck at High Fidelity vs. Being John Malkovich. Can't really choose between the two, since they're both very nice, but based on sentiment I say High Fidelity.
Can you find out how many of them were starters? Would be quite interesting to compare.
You can also have a bang on this.
RvP 2012/13 VS Suarez 2013/14:
RvP 2012/13 VS Suarez 2013/14:
RVP had twice as many games, and was pretty much invisible in the knock out rounds. Suarez performances were more impressive, even though both were not really amazing overall.
Erm, Suarez played two games in the world cup and scored two goals. Van Persie scored one more in a far more successful side in far more games.
His second best was the season before last. His season in the weak league that is the Eredivisie is irrelevant. Any crap striker can rack up a ton of goals in that league, it's never a way to gauge quality.
Suarez came in to a Liverpool side struggling badly and adjusted to the tempo of the league and since then has been feckin' incredible. He's a better player than Suarez and anyone who doesn't have some serious blinkers on can see that.
You can also have a bang on this.
RvP 2012/13 VS Suarez 2013/14:
Thanks that's a goal every 84 minutes for RVP and every 95 for Saurez.
Really? Suarez. Comfortably so. You can argue that Van Persie in his prime was better than Suarez without looking deluded and ridiculously biased but otherwise this thread should not exist.
Is it? Because that's not the original point I was making when this argument started. The point was that right now United don't have an attacker on the level of Robben, Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc.
Overall career wise RvP has had a better one but Suarez's top level is better than Robin's and he's a much better player right now.
RVP helped his side reach the last 4 of the World Cup. Suarez's antics were a major factor in his side failing to progress past the last 16 stage. I'd say he had by far the better world cup.
Well I don't know about you, but I've seen Suarez both in 09/10 and 12/13 and I think he was better in 09/10, that was my point.
Van Persie scored 3 in his first 2 matches by the way, Spain was better than England. After that it's not possible to compare, anyone who doesn't have some serious blinkers on can see that.
This is about who is the better player. Suarez is an idiot, we all know that, he does stupid things and that's why he got himself kicked out. It's irrelevant to how good a player he is.
Hurts me to say it, but Suarez for me, by quite some distance too.
No, no they weren't. We were poor but our matches were tight fought and lost by a single goal. We then drew against quarter finalists.
They lost 5-1 and 2-0 then beat Australia. They had an even worse tournament.
Suarez scored 2 in his first game with the only two shots on target of the game, pretty much carrying his side (RVP never did that). This is all whilst completely unfit.
You're like one of the very few people who are arguing it, so if anyone has blinkers on its clearly you. It's just a silly argument, you don't even need to use stats just your eyes to realise Suarez is by far the better player right now and that his top level is higher than Van Persie. Problem is you're completely biased and blind to it so there's no point arguing with you because you'll never accept facts, so I will say byesie now.
Saurez's nature is a part of him, a part of the player he is. You cannot rate him without taking into account his likely hood to blow up and scupper his teams whole season/tournament. So no his barbaric nature is not and never will be irrelevant until he actually manages to control it.
Not even a discussion. Suarez is miles better than RVP. The kind of performance he has put in at a mediocre team like Liverpool is testament to the fact. And not only is he a clinical striker but his overall presence in and around the box, dribbling past defenders, pulling them out of position and providing the killer ball is very valuable to his team.
Purely as a striker, I am split between RVP and Suarez, but overall as a player Suarez brings much more to a team than RVP.
Purely as a striker, I am split between RVP and Suarez, but overall as a player Suarez brings much more to a team than RVP.
Ok so England is better than Spain, I am biased and RVP never carried his team. Byesie.
Yeah totally what I said.
Using your logic I'd also have been saying Costa Rica are a better side than Italy, Greece better than Spain and so on. I said we weren't worse than them IN THIS TOURNAMENT. Spain are a far, far better team but had a woeful tournie.
Also, if you think Van Persie carried his team in this World Cup then please just watch the games again because quite honestly Robben was vastly superior to him throughout.
Yeah totally what I said.
Using your logic I'd also have been saying Costa Rica are a better side than Italy, Greece better than Spain and so on. I said we weren't worse than them IN THIS TOURNAMENT. Spain are a far, far better team but had a woeful tournie.
Also, if you think Van Persie carried his team in this World Cup then please just watch the games again because quite honestly Robben was vastly superior to him throughout.
Robben was better, not vastly superior. But I see now why you are convinced Suarez is the better player.
Don't believe the hype man.
Suarez. Comfortably.
I have Marseille, Stoke and Olympiacos coming off the bench at around 60th minute mark and was substituted off against United, Dortmund, Swansea and Bolton.
It's from ESPN, sometimes reliable.
They are close in terms of productivity.
In terms of goals in big games, in that season RvP scored against Chelsea 3, United 2, Milan 1, Dortmund 3, Liverpool 2, Everton 1, Spurs 1. The only team he failed to score was against City.
Suarez - United 1, Arsenal 0 in 4 games, Chelsea 0, City 0, Tottenham 3, Everton 2.
Surely also the fact that Suarez hasn't yet played in the CL for a team like United means that it's not fair to use RvP's goal scoring record against big teams in that competition when Suarez hasn't even had a chance to play against those teams.
He has a good record against good teams for his country, does he not?
RVP 11/12 a goal every 84 minutes he played 3122 minutes
Saurez 13/14 a goal every 95 minutes he played 2963 minutes.
Yes Suarez is a monster for Uruguay.
By the way, I was just thinking... Assuming you're English, and that goes for some more posters over here. Don't you think you're looking at Suarez a bit too much from the English perspective? I mean you see him become Top Scorer, voted best player and then scoring 2 against you in a crucial World Cup match, from an English point of view perhaps it's understandable that everybody's convinced Suarez is better than RVP. I've read on various English sites he's better than Ronaldo even.
All the people here saying withouth any hesitation Suarez is better than RVP, comfortably better even. But I've been asking around and the two German friends I asked said RVP was better. A French dude said RVP was better. And one Greek guy chose Suarez.
Dutch friends are probably biased, they all chose RVP even though some hate him and wanted Huntelaar vs. Costa Rica and Argentina, with RVP benched. It's a very small sample, but still...
I think he has 1 odd goal in 7-8 games against Brazil and Argentina and it is from penalty.
I'm not sure about the rest and against which top national sides he has scored.
RVP did get subbed off a bit so it slightly skews the ratio and he scored a few pens whereas Suarez didn't take any, he got more assists as well than RVP.
I and most English people thought Suarez was better way before he played against us. Beyond that I'm not sure what you on about, we saw both RvP play against the same teams in our league and judged who was the best from that.
If anything most English people are more inclined towards RvP because he's not (as much of) a bellend.
Yeah I see. But when it comes to discussions like this, I've seen stranger things, that's why I was curious.
In 2012 I saw a majority (56% I believe) vote for Huntelaar in a poll with the question: Who is the best striker, RVP or Huntelaar. It was on the biggest Dutch football site with thousands of votes iirc, so not just people voting who never watch a match and didn't know better.
Now Huntelaar had just become Bundesliga top scorer, but RVP was PL top scorer and voted best PL player too. And the difference in quality between them was much bigger than between RVP and Suarez.
So a majority was convinced Huntelaar was the best striker, and I could figure out why but still it was a very weird experience reading that poll. So in that regard I'm still a bit surprised how many people underestimate RVP or are overrating Suarez, but hey what can you do.
I dont believe anyone saying RVP is not being biased!
Suarez is in the highest echelon of player there is, I currently think he is the worlds 3rd best player, and the best in the EPL over the past 2 seasons.
That of course doesn't slate Robin, he was a world class player at his peak, but both of them at their peaks there is no contest, Suarez wins all day long.
As much as I hate to say it because I think hes a travesty of a person.
Suarez is in the highest echelon of player there is, I currently think he is the worlds 3rd best player, and the best in the EPL over the past 2 seasons.
That of course doesn't slate Robin, he was a world class player at his peak, but both of them at their peaks there is no contest, Suarez wins all day long.
As much as I hate to say it because I think hes a travesty of a person.
Suarez has so much more to his game than RvP. Robin is one of the best No 9's in the world and for that 2 year period, you could argue he was the best and he was way better than Suarez then. Suarez really went to another level though last year.
Not really a contest. As much as I hate him, you have to put Suarez Top 5 in the world.
Not really a contest. As much as I hate him, you have to put Suarez Top 5 in the world.
'At his Peak' RVP scored just one goal less then Suarez managed last season. Clearly no contest.
Yeah well I'm off reading http://www.thescore.ie/klopp-van-persie-is-the-best-striker-ever-758252-Jan2013/ now 
Its not just about the goals though, Suarez offers more of a threat and takes defenders away. RVP was a clinical world class goal scorer, but Suarez is still a level above.
I wouldn't say a level above, Suarez was probably the 3rd best player in the world last season and RVP at his peak was probably in the top 5 or 6, there wasn't a great deal of difference between the two.
Nonsense. Plus RVP has been doing it at the highest level for a far longer time then Suarez.
Has he?
RVP has only had two world class seasons and one good one, the rest have been average ( due to injuries a lot of course)
Suarez scored 49 goals in 09/10, admittedly in Holland, and is at the age now when RVP started to peak. You can only imagine that injury free he is going to have another couple of seasons with 30+ goals.