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Who is better, RVP or Suarez?
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It's amusing how this keeps being posted.
As a footballer, Giggs.
As a human being, Jack Cork.
Suarez.
But it's true.
In his first season at United Persie during Winter time had 11 games in a row in which he scored in 10 of them.
And if we stretch the period a bit he scored in 15 out of the 20 games he played in that period.
In 2011 Spring in 21 games he scored in 14 of them.
Suarez has scored in consecutive games this season only on two occasions: 4 times in a row against WH, Norwich, Tottenham and Cardif and 2 times in a row against Cardif and United.
van Persie also went ten games without scoring in 2012/13.
You should look up the meaning of "literally", "every" and "season".
So last question. You guys seriously think Suarez was better last season than RVP was in the 2011-2012 season for Arsenal?
Because last season was Suarez's best season. Compared to RVP's 2011-2012 I would say Suarez is on 95% of the level RVP reached back then. Also mind that RVP was playing CL too that season, and didn't have 6 weeks suspension to prepare better than normal.
Reading this thread I come to think that RVP's 2011-2012 was only 80% of the level Suarez reached in 2013-2014.
You do realize that everything you just said doesn't matter right? Van Persie scored 30 in 38, in his best season. Suarez scored 31 in 33 last year.
One more goal, five less games.
I think its about 97.5%. And I'm pretty good at Math.
Edit: but that's just me.
Suarez is the better player and I don't think many outside a United or a Dutch forum would bother arguing. For people saying Suarez doesn't score against big teams, he played for the weakest of the big teams in England in which the opponents could focus their efforts on him due to the lack of other world class players (and it's in large part down to him that they rose from also rans to making a genuine title challenge). Plus he hasn't had the chance to show his talents in the Champions League for the last few years. Also, RVP's record in the CL is not exactly flawless (bad misses against Milan and Madrid).
Having said all that, I don't expect RVP to miss a chunk of each season for biting people while I await with interest the efforts of Pepe to wind up Suarez in the clasico.
Having said all that, I don't expect RVP to miss a chunk of each season for biting people while I await with interest the efforts of Pepe to wind up Suarez in the clasico.
Ok fair enough. Obviously I think RVP's 2011-2012 was better than Suarez's 2013-2014 but I already said that.
It's like comparing a Porsche to a Ferrari - RVP won United the title in Fergies last season, but Suarez was level of football was amazing last season - RVP whole game relies on other players more, whereas Surarez is more explosive and wins games single-handed.
A better thread would be who's level was the highest, Gareth Bale's last season in the Premier League or Luis Suarez last season?
A better thread would be who's level was the highest, Gareth Bale's last season in the Premier League or Luis Suarez last season?
Difficult one. Probably Suarez but RVP makes everything look so sexy.
I have no idea what the difference is between a Porsche and a Ferrari.
Suarez
Current form - Suarez for me.
Be a decent partnership I think.
Be a decent partnership I think.
Footballing wise I think this is a rare occasion where both players are equal to one another. You simply can not beat RVP finishing ability on both feet, yet Saurez can dribble and is alot faster than RVP. You have to bear in mind one player is 31 and the other 26 its quite a strange and hard one to call.
Both can win matches on their own, Saurez might get the nod for his ability to single handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck but then we have seen RVP do the same too. I dont think I have ever seen Saurez provide world class and beyond finishing such as RVPs countless volleys and that header. But I dont think I have ever seen RVP dribble past 2-3 players and slot one home.
Very even but as a United fan id just about give it to RVP, hes won more.
Both can win matches on their own, Saurez might get the nod for his ability to single handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck but then we have seen RVP do the same too. I dont think I have ever seen Saurez provide world class and beyond finishing such as RVPs countless volleys and that header. But I dont think I have ever seen RVP dribble past 2-3 players and slot one home.
Very even but as a United fan id just about give it to RVP, hes won more.
Suárez last season is a good shout to be up there with the best anyone's had in the PL. It's not just his goalscoring record (31 in 33 appearances) that's great. He was consistently creating chances for others and was working extremely hard off the ball.
Some of you lot have unbeliavably short memories. For the two seasons previous it was RVP that was the 'star' of the league, winning player of the year and top scoring for two seasons running. Suarez, obviously had the better season, but in terms of overall quality, they really are much of a muchness. Both absolutely top quality players.
People saying 'by a mile' or 'not even close' in either players favour is fecking stupid tbh.
People saying 'by a mile' or 'not even close' in either players favour is fecking stupid tbh.
Yep. The short memories on display here are amazing.
My post was in regards that Persie scores in more games and more consistently compared to Suarez, but yeah I'd take the literally point back and leave it that way - he's just more consistent in scoring for large periods of time. He also had his droughts but so did Suarez.
15 out of 20 is as literal as it gets. The word was used in jest. But let's have it consistently to be more politically correct.
In van Persies last season at arsenal he was just phenomenal, but since then Suarez has been better IMO. Suarez hasn't reached the heights rvp did at arsenal though, or at least isn't able to because he constantly gets himself suspended which you can't ignore.
I thought the question related to the present? In which case, given their respective ages and the seasons they have just come off, Suarez is the obvious choice.
One is a trumped up VW Beetle, the other is a supercar.
His most recent season was comfortably as good as RVP's final season at Arsenal.
Suarez. Van persie is an excellent player but even his best seasons (11/12 and 12/13) were not at the level suarez was playing at last season and probably the season before too in which he would have won top scorer if he did not get banned. Suarez can win matches on his own with his great dribbling agility. Van persie is better at hitting first time shots and volleys though and probably is quicker at making decisions.
Don't know what either of those things are either. Can you use like John Cusack movies or types of omelettes? Those analogies I would understand.
Suarez at this time. Had an unbelievable season, dragged a team of donkeys all the way to 2nd place.
He scored 7 goals less that season for us. First half was as good but he fell away in the second half of the season.
One is Gross Pointe Blank and the other is an egg white omelette.
I'm talking about Suarez' most recent season, since you said he didn't reach the heights RVP reached at Arsenal.
Excellent. I once was blind but now I see.
Suarez scored 31 goals in 33 games last season in the league and got 12 assists, he was unbelievable in large parts of the year, I'd say it was the best season by a single player in premier history, better than Henry 03/04 and Ronaldo 07/08.
Oh. Well again, he scored 7 goals less and general play wise, van Persie was terrific in that season and carried that arsenal team, just like Suarez carried Liverpool. There wasn't much between them at all I think, but you can't ignore the extra 7 goals. As good as Suarez was, he scored 30 compared to van Persies 37 so you can't ignore that. He's a comfortably better player at the moment, but not if you use van Persie from 2011/12.
Van Persie went for 10 games without scoring in 2012/2013. Granted in his final season at Arsenal, I think his longest run without scoring was one of three games, which is impressive. Suarez's longest drought ever was one of six games.
It doesn't even matter who scores more consistently when in the end you've got a far more impressive goal scoring record. And it's not as if Suarez disappeared, he had 12 assists in the same season! If he wasn't scoring them, he was involved in creating them.
Okay that's just going overboard... He was amazing yes, but not on Ronaldo or Henry's level. Not in their class.
No one would pay £75million for RVP... probably.
Van Persie scored 37 in 48. Goal per game ratio of 0.77.
Suarez scored 31 in 37. Goal per game ratio of 0.84.
He's the better player regardless.