Liverpool fans will argue their team was very strong and it wasn't Suarez that single handedly carried them to the tit... erm 2nd place.
Who is better, RVP or Suarez?
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He didn't single handedly carry them, nor did Van Persie. He was absolutely exceptional but Sturridge, Henderson and even Gerrard just as examples all had excellent seasons.
Bale was the most one man team I've ever seen, like seriously it wasn't even all our play going through him. We played rubbish for about 85 minutes and then he'd score an absolute peach and we'd win. It was all him.
I remember a game against Lyon I think that season where you were destined to go out an he pulled a fantastic strike in the 90th minute to push you through, and he'd already been great in the first game against them.
Look no further than Jozy Altidore who scored 31 goals for AZ during 2012-2013.
Oh, our fans are guilty of worse things than just arrogance.
Of course, there's no "evidence" for such things as predictions. Call it faith or whatever. You did mention yourself couple of reasons which might enforce that faith.
I did indeed and I stand by them, but I'd be wary of saying you're back already, at least wait a while for the next season. Lots of cause for optimism though.
He scored a pearl of a free kick as well against them. I don't think he was even particularly good overall, he just pulled off moments of genius.
It's quite funny when you think about it that we were expected to do so much better the next season, after signing a ton of players unproven in the league. I don't think people realise just how much we relied on Bale, we had to go from that to being more of a team and it just didn't work.
It was silly really, every single great moment was down to him.
Of course, just like Liverpool had players playing exceptionally well also.
It doesn't skew anything it just goes to show that RvP ratio is better.
RVP 11/12 a goal every 84 minutes he played 3122 minutes
Suarez 13/14 a goal every 95 minutes he played 2963 minutes.
Add to that he scored against the top sides.
I'm a massive RvP fan, but Suarez is simply the better player, TBH.
I would say Suarez is 3 times better than RVP
at biting opponents
at biting opponents
Van Persie 12/13 and Suarez 13/14 seasons.
Always knew about it, of course, but when visualized Suarez's record looks so exaggerated. Thanks for the stats.
Flat track bully. Nice expression.
40 goals against top half of the table, 91 against bottom half. (last six seasons)
He's literally worse player than Van Persie.
40 goals against top half of the table, 91 against bottom half. (last six seasons)
He's literally worse player than Van Persie.
Suarez is the best player to play in the league since Ronaldo. Suarez is the better player.
RVP. Suarez is so irrelevant now that he doesn't play in England.
Not sure why I was tagged in this post. My only input was to call Eriksen, "a shit Glaston".
Suarez by a country mile.
Van Persie is very good, Suarez is world class. Van Persie is much more reliant on the service he gets though. Suarez can make something out of nothing, Van Persie can´t really. Van Persie is a player with brilliant moments, Suarez´s got those moments as well but he´s also much more present in the match. Van Persie can really disappear from the match, you´ll see Suarez go at it for the full 90 minutes and injury (+ extra) time.
Van Persie is very good, Suarez is world class. Van Persie is much more reliant on the service he gets though. Suarez can make something out of nothing, Van Persie can´t really. Van Persie is a player with brilliant moments, Suarez´s got those moments as well but he´s also much more present in the match. Van Persie can really disappear from the match, you´ll see Suarez go at it for the full 90 minutes and injury (+ extra) time.
I've never been afraid to throw the baby out with the bathwater, I hope you've learned your lesson.
Suarez last season was the best forward I've seen in England since Henry, and the best player since Ronaldo.
2012/2013 RvP
2013/2014 Suarez and he's probably 3rd best player on the planet.
2013/2014 Suarez and he's probably 3rd best player on the planet.
Can't argue with that, Suarez last season was on a level only Ronaldo reached last season. *preparing myself for the Messi lovers to come rip my head off at that*
On current form it's obvious Suarez is better, but playing at their peaks there isn't much between them. Some of the goals RVP has scored are on par if not better than those Suarez has scored. It's a shame RVP can't keep fit he would have smashed most premier league scoring records.
Not sure if it hasn't already been discussed but RVP does score a lot more goals against bigger teams , while Suarez does like to fill his boots against the likes of Norwich.
I'm with him. I would rather have Titus Bramble or Luke Chadwick than Suarez.You wouldn't swap Suarez for Young I know its hypothetical but Jeez.
Taking points of your immediate rivals normally wins you the title, if Suarez showed up against the likes of Chelsea and City last season Liverpool would have won the title. In comparison RVP's first season he scored goals against City, Chelsea and Arsenal (games we ended up winning), you can make your own judgements from that fact.
On current form they are both poor, Van Persie a bit better.
I agree I think Suarez will have poor September and October during which RVP might outscore him!
That's the spirit.
Though, I just meant their recentlish form. WC, you know.
Suarez scored two goals in two games at the World Cup against two good sides, Van Persie scored a single more goal in many more games, one of which came against Australia and two against a Spain team that performed absolutely atrociously.
You can't call it "Poor form" because he got banned. He's just an idiot.
England played 2 teams? Why the hell didnt we win with 22 players?
Two goals in two games against two good sides. Heh, that's a great way to say he scored two against England. Rooney actually played better than him in that game I'd say.
Robin wasn't impressive either yeah, but had a masterful appearance against Spain. And just watch him ann...des...r...mur...show how it's done against Brazil.
Robin wasn't impressive either yeah, but had a masterful appearance against Spain. And just watch him ann...des...r...mur...show how it's done against Brazil.
I do believe that. Don't think I'm the only cr...one though. Am I?
Suarez does beat him 2-1 in goals department, but overall, Rooney looked better to me. Oh well.
Suarez does beat him 2-1 in goals department, but overall, Rooney looked better to me. Oh well.
Have always been a RVP fan but Saurez is better footballer... Van has aspect in his game that is unmatched but it stops at him as an individual, whilst Suarez can be having a poor game and still be a positive influence..
Also, England, "good?" Bottom of their group without a win. They certainly aren't good.
What? He scored 2 goals in 2 games. They both came against England but the facts are the same. In two matches he managed two goals.
Also, England, "good?" Bottom of their group without a win. They certainly aren't good.
They are compared to Australia. Also, the results we had clearly didn't reflect our true abilities. We played well in all three games but were rather unlucky to only pick up a point. Didn't deserve to lose either against Uruguay or Italy and were by far the better side against CR but Sturridge's inability to finish cost us.
If we're going to say England aren't good then nor are Spain, considering they got smashed by an average side (on paper) in Holland and comfortably beat by a decent but far from world-class outfit in Chile. Then they beat Australia, one of the worst sides in the competition.
We're not "good" if you're comparing us to some of the best sides but we're better than some of the teams faced like Iran and not just an easy way to score goals.
I wonder, if Suarez scored 25 goals last season instead of 31, would people still say he's the best player since Ronaldo? Some would, but 6 extra goals against some bottom half teams have made him the 3th best player in the world apparently.
Don't believe the hype man, overall RVP edges it for sure, Suarez is very close but still.
Don't believe the hype man, overall RVP edges it for sure, Suarez is very close but still.