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Who is better, RVP or Suarez?
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Depends what you base it on. If it's on last season you would have to say Suarez- he was excellent, only thing lacking from his game last season was scoring against the big teams.
I see people on here saying Van Persie had a poor season. Hmm I'm not sure, his goals to games record was still pretty good. 28 games played 18 goals scored. Considering how poor we was last season I think that record is very good.
If we look at it over the past 3 years we would have to go with van Persie. I think RVPs peak is slightly higher than Suarez's. I think van Persie will score more goals than Suarez next season.
Disagree with this completely. RVP's off the ball movement is one of the best I have ever seen. Take the goal against villa in 2012/13 or the header against Spain as examples.
I see people on here saying Van Persie had a poor season. Hmm I'm not sure, his goals to games record was still pretty good. 28 games played 18 goals scored. Considering how poor we was last season I think that record is very good.
If we look at it over the past 3 years we would have to go with van Persie. I think RVPs peak is slightly higher than Suarez's. I think van Persie will score more goals than Suarez next season.
Disagree with this completely. RVP's off the ball movement is one of the best I have ever seen. Take the goal against villa in 2012/13 or the header against Spain as examples.
Peak form for peak form, Suarez edges it for me, because he's harder to stop than RvP is. Just constant movement, harrying, and dribbling, with an ability to create danger from anywhere within 40 yards of goal.
RvP is more of a classical No.9, and they are to an extent easier to stop than a Suarez type player.
RvP is more of a classical No.9, and they are to an extent easier to stop than a Suarez type player.
So give me some truly vital goals/assists against top tier opponents by Suarez for Liverpool, Ajax or Uruguay? I'm sure he scored a couple of important goals and gave some very important assists, and I don't doubt he has the potential to do it in the future, but I really can't remember him being vital against a top team.
Whereas with RVP, I can give you 20 vital goals or assists against top tier opponents easily, whether it's for United, Holland or Arsenal, or even Feyenoord. That's why RVP edges it for me.
I don't see what any of this has to do with the part of your post that I replied to:
"RVP as a striker/CF on his best days is a bit better than Suarez as a striker/CF on his best days."
I'm not talking about games against top tier opponents, I'm wondering on what basis Van Persie's better on his best days than Suarez on his.
Aside from the injuries, I think van Persie's form has something to do with the style of play Moyes implemented. His goals/games ratio is better than his first season, but I think he got 15 assists in 12/13 compared to 4 in 13/14. His overall contribution was less in the games he did play.
Obviously Suarez now, but in 2011/12 and 2012/13 definitely RvP.
Yeah I agree. I remember Van Persie saying something about how he likes to drop off into space to link up play. He didn't seem to do that last season, but I think that's down to the job he was asked to do by Moyes.
I made one post on the subject in response to someone else, and have only just answered his response after this thread was made. Weird to include me in this, but whatever gets you off.
It means: I have yet to see Suarez play as good as RVP has played from time to time. RVP on his best days destroyed top tier teams. Suarez on his best days, I don't really recall him deciding matches against top tier teams that much, nowhere near as good and as often as RVP already has shown.
CF because otherwise we would be getting discussions like yeah but Suarez scored 30+ as a winger for Ajax, so he is a better winger than RVP.
You are about the only person who is still keeping it going in there! At least we're having this conversatoin in this thread mind, so that's progress.
I wasn't reading the thread, nor your incessant whining. I responded to one post, and then responded to an alert when the guy answered. So yeah, sue me.
Go crawl up your own hole.
RvP without a doubt.
Keeping your temperament in check and not allowing yourself to make stupid mistakes is an important characteristic for top players. Someone who misses 8 games or 4months due to his stupidity cannot be classed as world class player for me.
Ability alone, I'd say Suarez is the better player but it counts for nothing if he can't get himself on the pitch.
Keeping your temperament in check and not allowing yourself to make stupid mistakes is an important characteristic for top players. Someone who misses 8 games or 4months due to his stupidity cannot be classed as world class player for me.
Ability alone, I'd say Suarez is the better player but it counts for nothing if he can't get himself on the pitch.
But ability alone, what abilities does Suarez have that RVP hasn't beside a better acceleration? RVP is bigger and stronger, so that evens it out, but just talking footballing abilities?
Suarez played more games last season that RVP though. RVP is typically injured more than Suarez is banned.
RVP is very accomplished, intelligent and gifted. Suarez plays more off the cuff, bit of genius.
Bearing in mind you used the word 'destroyed' - link me to these numerous performances against top tier teams.
That doesn't mean scoring the winning goal (for example versus City), or a penalty, that means 'destroyed'.
I remember a hat-trick versus Chelsea and brace against Dortmund. Only the Chelsea game I'd describe as 'destroying' a top tier team. What else?
And even if there are some - it still doesn't mean Van Persie's better on his best days, in my opinion, bearing in mind Suarez hasn't had the platform to play as many top tier teams anyway.
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OK, chill out, was just trying to keep the Vidal thread on topic - I think everybody has got the message now.
I'm not being at all unchilled.OK, chill out, was just trying to keep the Vidal thread on topic - I think everybody has got the message now.
OK, good. We'd better leave it there before we derail this magnificent RVP v goofy thread, and some prick starts telling us to take it elsewhere...
What kind of cheeky bastard would do that?
Bucketloads of goals against the likes of Norwich and blanks against the big teams and he gets compared to RvP. 
Like I said, its not even close right now. Outside of United nobody would prefer to have Van Persie.
Bucketloads of goals against the likes of Norwich and blanks against the big teams and he gets compared to RvP.
Wow, compared to him? He is most peoples third best player in the world and the best player in the league. I despise him but he's a sensational player.
Seriously, RvP wasn't even remotely close to Suarez last year and even the year before Suarez was on course to outscore him before his next act of stupidity.
Van Persie is a better person, a better professional but Suarez is the better player. Comfortably, right now.
Suarez is much much much better.
He is not stronger, he's taller. Suarez is stronger, he's far more stocky and almost impossible to push off the ball.
Physically he's far more agile, lower center of gravity makes him almost impossible to force off the ball. He's also far more aggressive/tenacious.
Love RvP because hes our boy but in no way is he better than Suarez. The knob has pace, power, trickery and imo is more clinical than Robin.
Currently Suarez. With RVP being three years older, I doubt that this will change.
Yeah, Suarez is better. As goalscorers at their best I'd rank both as similar, but Suarez has the better overall footballing ability than RVP which puts him ahead.
Better at dribbling towards goal (van Persie tends to dribble sideways) and can dribble at speed too (obviously it's not as aesthetically pleasing as van Persie's dribbling though), and no worse at finishing a chance.
I'll give Van Persie the edge on the more difficult headers and pure technique though.
But in the same way Van Persie's superior technique still doesn't make him all that much (if at all) better than Rooney, when push comes to shove in my opinion, it also doesn't prevent Suarez from being better than him.
There's no shame in it though, as Suarez is probably the third best player in the world.
Suarez is obviously better, funny to see people twist themselves about to make the case for van Persie.
If Suarez plays as he did last season or better he is the better player by a very clear margin in my eyes. I don't think RVP ever reached the one-man-army level which Suarez reached this season. But if you look at their entire careers then RVP has kept his level for much longer so I would trust him being at that level the next season much more than Suarez who seems a bit of a risk in that regard.
Suarez has scored his fair share of headers lately, but I'll give that to Van Persie.
That's true, but you forget to mention that RVP is one of the most injury prone players out there. I believe Robben actually played more league games between 2002/2012 than RVP did between 2002/2012, while everybody in Holland would say Robben is the most injury prone player. So it's not like RVP has had a perfect platform. God knows how good he would've been if he hadn't missed 50% of the matches for years in a row.
I think Suarez is being a bit overrated because of his so called flat track bullying. Suarez wasn't really that much better at Liverpool this season than on his best days at Ajax. At Ajax, Real, Barcelona, United, Arsenal were al doubting if he would be good enough, yet suddenly all the top teams are interested and he is worth 82 million for Barca? Only because he's had such a brilliant 2013/2014 season. Talking about a platform, didn't he score all 30 goals against non top 4 teams, he had the platform to score against all teams right?
As for RVP: goals for Holland against Ivory Coast in 2006, France in 2008, Germany in 2012 and obviously 2 vs Spain this tournament? Suarez did well against England, who roughly had only 50% of the quality of the Spain side RVP trashed.
Don't forget his Champions League goals for Arsenal against Barcelona (2-1 at the Emeriates) or vs. Man. United, his brace against Dortmund that had dominated the Bundesliga that year, plus another against Dortmund, so that was 3 goals in 2 matches against them. List goes on and on.[/QUOTE]
To be fair you could argue RvP was even more of a one man army than Suarez in his last season at Arsenal.
Suarez is capable in the air. But I said 'the more difficult headers'.
RVP's older though by 4 years, so has naturally been around for longer. If Suarez can avoid doing something stupid to get banned, there's nothing to suggest he's going to drop off his current level at all presuming Barca find a way to use him to the best of his ability. It's arguable that RVP is less likely to be at that level you're talking about now because of his age, although I agree with the rest of your post.
Suarez is clearly a better player and may not have reached his peak yet. Really isn't close at all.
So make a case for Suarez then, prove that I'm twisting myself and show that you are right about Suarez being better.
I disagree, RVP never created as many chances for himself as Suarez did last season. Every time Suarez gets the ball it is dangerous whereas RVP needs the team to set him up with the chance so he can turn it in to a goal.
Rarely do you see RVP receive the ball and even try to beat the two defenders with his dribbling or pace, he just finds a pass and makes a run. Suarez is an outstanding dribbler and RVP even at his last season in Arsenal he made less than half the dribbles per game of Suarez. RVP is an all round goalscorer much more than a one man army, Robben/Suarez/Messi I think are at that level above who can create their own chances without the need of teammates.