There is in the caf's sense of the phrase. "I go to games/away games/have a ST and therefore my opinion is more valid than yours. You're also not a proper supporter." Which can be the case, but there'll be people who've had to move somewhere else or have had kids etc and can't go. However in this case, bsc's point is completely valid. It's all well and good the likes of Steve and TH saying "rise above it", but if they've never been in your situation of being spat on, had shit thrown at you, being abused, marginalised and all the rest of it, you can't tell other people what to do. If they have been in that situation and have risen above it, good for them, but the vast majority of people can't.
I doubt I'd have sung ATV if I'd been in tier two last week, but I'm not so sure if I wouldn't have joined in after being taunted by those who did their gestures, and I highly doubt I'd have had a problem with the 'murderers' chant.
When people provoke you, it's human nature to retaliate. If someone punched you, how often can you "rise above it" and walk away? How often can someone scream abuse at you and you just ignore it? I've had two Leeds fans (I'm somehow living with one now), who, a bit fresh on a night out, started singing "Who's that dying on the runway". I was incensed by it, such a scummy thing to do. I could've retaliated with "Always look out for Turks carrying knives", but decided not to give them any ammo whatsoever, after all, it made them look pathetic, but when it happens on a mass scale, it's different. There was one guy in the aftermath of last season, who said he was watching it all in a pub, and some guy came up to him, and screamed in his face. This post was greeted by replies of "I'd have knocked the cnut out" and so on. Retaliating in that scenario, was fine. Nobody said a word, but for in this one, retaliation is way out of line.
