feck me, this is like talking to a brick wall.
And a newb PM'd me to say he heard a Thatcher chant from your own fans. Which I assume isn't unlikely e.g. 'Expose the lies before Thatcher dies'
Now we know for a fact that Liverpool fans sing songs about Thatcher. Man United fans have no history of it, except negative songs.
But you weren't interested in actually working out what the chant was or the likelihood that it was a Liverpool Thatcher chant.
You just decided to use it to score more points and then went quiet when you were pressed to tell us when you heard it.
You can't accept it, can you? 'We're all gonna have a party when Maggie Thatcher dies', is very different to 'There's only one Maggie Thatcher'. If numerous people were at the game and have said they heard it then I can be quite confident what was chanted.
I've never said I personally heard the chant.
By the way, am I still a lying bastard?
You've missed the point completely, thus making your last line false.
Besides I ask you this, what debate is there to be had? Most of us agree it shouldn't happen, unfortunately those who don't wont care what a handful of people say on the internet and will continue to sing.
What's this point I've missed then?
The debate that you mentioned in your previous post? Or if not a debate, then at least some normal replies without all this 'oh, you're point scoring' shit. We're all adults here.
You've made a number of accusations and also claimed Liverpool fans didn't retaliate.
Yet when asked for proof of what you heard, you completely ignore that and pick on other points of his post making a big issue to distract from his questions.
In fact you bumped this thread based on what you think you heard on the t.v. Wumming, point scoring or just woefully lacking in common sense, this has been pointless.
Accusations? Proof? But you've just admitted yourself that this stuff is chanted.
What I think I heard? Anyone with ears and and a TV could hear 'murderers' blaring out during the game. And the reason behind the bump wasn't just concerning today's game, it's a constant thing that happens every time we play you and has happened even when you're not playing us.
I know there's a memorial, it just seems as if Liverpool FC have gone out of their way to shift the blame onto other people (didn't they blame Chelsea fans or something ridiculous like that?) and then brush it under the carpet. I mean, Juventus went through the same thing that you did in Hillsborough, the dead Juve fans deserve the same level of remembrance as the Liverpool fans, and yet they're very rarely mentioned. I despise any sort of derogatory comment about Hillsborough obviously, but I do find it hypocritical of Liverpool to go on and on about demanding justice for that (which they definitely should have got - no-one is denying that), whilst not admitting their own fault in Heysel - and it was directly Liverpool fans fault - and not demanding justice for the Juventus supporters.
Yeah, there was some blame shifting at the time but there's always been an acceptance of what happened.
Whilst it's nice to think that we might have afforded the deceased Juve fans the same level of remembrance that we do to the Hillsborough victims, it was probably never going to happen.
Because it's a discussion about classless chants and you were trying to tell us that Liverpool fans aren't guilty of it (or at least are more whiter than white or something), which is evidently bullshit.
I don't think racism is a minor issue. Do you?
And United fans aren't chanting about dead people.
They're chanting about Liverpool fans' role in the slaughter of innocent people.
It's a classless attack on your fans, not the dead. Just as your chanting is a classless attack on a victim of racism.
Regarding the Thatcher chant, why didn't you just tell us that you'd heard it second hand? Because then we'd know you were just shit-stirring by presenting second hand bullshit as fact. You even lumped it in as a usual chant, despite it never being sung at Old Trafford.
I know the result is hard to stomach, but is there any need for what you're doing, clearly shit-stirring and point scoring. Does it make you feel better about the defeat?
There is no chant about Evra though.
Where have I said Liverpool fans are whiter than white?
please point that out to me? I've already pointed out an example of Liverpool fans being cnuts on youtube. My aggrievance is with the fact that Utd fans, in large numbers, regularly chant this shite. I didn't even mention our fans until some of you said that we're just as bad (in terms of numbers), when in fact the same thing is not replicated within the LFC fan base to the same extent. Again - not saying we're perfect, there are plenty of knobs on both sides but you don't get thousands or even hundreds of us chanting 'Munich' at games. Except for isolated incidents, it doesn't happen, especially on that scale.
Also, booing Patrice Evra is not racism. Did you honestly expect Evra to receive no reaction from Liverpool fans after everything that happened? Talk about being naive. The 'classlessness' involved in the booing of Patrice Evra cannot be compared with the same level of 'classlessness' involved in singing about Heysel. Using the deaths of people to taunt opposition supporters is a shit, shit thing to do. You can taunt us about 19:18 or us being 8th in the table, but why go there with the murderers stuff?
I did say I heard about the Thatcher chant from a second hand source
'The Heysel chants quite audibly continued today, as well as plenty of other shite I've heard from people who were there'
. Is the Thatcher stuff about Heysel? No.
I would have raised the same issue if we'd won.
He'll just do what he's been doing all along and ignore most of this post to focus on the odd thing he can come up with an answer for.
Read back over my posts and point out to me where I've done this please.
I'll never understand who has the problem with Heysel chants? Is it finally preying on Liverpool's conscience what they did?
For the record, United sang about Hillsborough, Liverpool didn't sing about Munich. Certainly not during the game anyway.
Who wants to see these chants in football? Also, why would it prey on my conscience? I wasn't involved. Did you hear this Thatcher stuff?
As for your last point, that's more or less the reason I bumped this thread.
Manchester suffered as much as Liverpool in the Thatcher years. Shades of Tomato is clearly having a meltdown of sorts. I can't quite understand the point he's making.... United fans are...er....bad?
I was asking when the chants will stop. But the discussion's gone off on all kinds of tangents.
It doesn't matter really.
This has been dragged up all because a Liverpool fan is a bit upset they lost and decided to tell us all what he heard on t.v and has read somewhere.
What ever the outcome, he's an idiot much like anyone who want's to sing these kinds of songs. It's uncalled for all round.
I haven't 'read it', it's come from people who were at the game.
I'm an idiot for asking when this stuff will stop? Jesus Christ.
