What will it take to sack moyes?

bosnian_red said:
My last remaining hope is that he'll be sacked at the end of the season. If not, who knows. I would say christmas but we're likely to be challenging for the top 4 after splashing the cash this summer and the board will think good enough. What a joke appointment though.
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The day he is sacked is the day I celebrate the birth of The Christ! :D
 
How much are you willing to give to see him gone?

Perhaps if we all chip in, it'd be enough for the Glazers to pay off that ridiculous 6yr contract?
 
MoskvaRed said:
I agree nothing will happen before the end of the season, even if he is on his way out. There has certainly been enough evidence on which to judge him by now but, in my more pessimistic moods, I wonder whether the 3-0 against Olympiakos combined with rolling over a couple of mediocre teams and avoiding humiliation against Bayern has earned him a reprieve. That's why I mentioned the Everton game - surely another defeat there would put everything into unavoidably clear perspective.
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I think the Olympiakos game earnt him the right to end the season. Had things not gone our way that night I think he might have gone then, especially so close to the Liverpool game. Beyond that I still think it's anyones guess.
 
If Bobby Charlton doesn't like Mourinho because he is not gentleman then he will not like Louis Van Gaal since he taught Mourinho how not to be gentleman...

 
It's hard to judge how things will go at the end of the season but I believe whatever course the Glazers will take from now on that Fergie's influence will be significantly reduced by this grave error . They may not know much about football but they are experienced enough to seek advice from independent sources and I doubt any other football man would reccommend that they persist with Moyes and back him significantly . The results Moyes has delivered are shocking enough to jolt them into action .
 
At this point it would be a dream come true to replace moyes with van gaal.....theres just been a giant cloud of gloom since moyes took over and moyes has done everything in his powers to not merit another season in charge....you could argue that every decision he has made since coming here was the wrong one....he constantly looks like a man horribly out of his depth like a truck driver driving a truck who's never had truck driving lessons before. His cautious park the bus methods dont belong at man utd
 
PlayerOne said:
It's also being reported by Dutch paper 'De Telegraaf', which is apparently reliable but I'm not sure. Here's the article: http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/buitenlands/22500880/__ManUnited_benadert_Van_Gaal__.html
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Man United approximates Van Gaal

Our Telesport Editors

MANCHESTER -

Manchester United is exploring the possibility Louis van Gaal to pick as head coach. After the World Cup Joel Glazer, who along with his brother Avram Glazer is chairman of the board of directors at the reigning English champion, according to insiders yesterday had a meeting with the Dutch national coach.

Van Gaal had in January already an offer on pocket of Tottenham Hotspur, but yes late in coming. The 62 -year-old oefenmeester therefore has the freedom to make the Premier League, where he loved to continue his career after Orange another choice.

The American Glazer family owns Manchester United, the world's biggest football club. Although the club from Robin van Persie and Alexander Buttner is led by CEO Ed Woodward, the Glazers ( billionaires ) call the shots. They represent one of the most difficult decisions since their takeover of Manchester United. Under coach David Moyes, who last season Sir Alex Ferguson succeeded, the successful team completely derailed.

Manchester United has not come out next season in the Champions League is a chance for the league title and was prematurely eliminated in both cups. Furthermore, the game lacks any style of attacking football.

Joel Glazer hold as owner earlier in the American NFL club Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He said after a difficult start to the talented coach Jon Gruden, who the club built into a champion team. Gruden was in 2003 the youngest winner of the Super Bowl.

Afraid to seize the American owners do not. Van Gaal is known for several months, as the man who can upset the helm. At United His successes with Ajax, Barcelona, AZ and Bayern Munich make him number one candidate for United.

A major surgery is necessary. The debts of United ( 420 million ) are only to master as the club in the top four finishes each year and overwinters in the Champions League.
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Not sure how one goes about reading dutch so I used google translate.
 
Ubik said:
Think that's where the Mirror got it from, as it does mention "reports from Holland". Good to see the original though, cheers.
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It reads just like the Mirror report. Does any know how reliable De Telegraaf is?
 
stevoc said:
So Bayern aren't one of the worlds biggest clubs that are constantly under a microscope from the media, and where managers are not put under massive pressure to succeed?
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Oh i'd say they are. Not as big as United though. But you have picked only that point, and ignored the Fergie departure and the key but ageing defenders running on empty and the rise of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea whilst Bayern's competition could well be described as not so fierce.
 
Reducation said:
Oh i'd say they are. Not as big as United though. But you have picked only that point, and ignored the Fergie departure and the key but ageing defenders running on empty and the rise of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea whilst Bayern's competition could well be described as not so fierce.
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Nah, that was a ridiculous point. Bayern are just as massive a club and just as under the microscope as Man Utd.
 
markorm said:
I've just come to the realisation that he's not going anywhere for another season is he :(
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Based on what? In their dealings across the pond, the Glazers always fire managers/coaches in the 'off-season'. Let's wait and see.
 
Reducation said:
Oh i'd say they are. Not as big as United though. But you have picked only that point, and ignored the Fergie departure and the key but ageing defenders running on empty and the rise of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea whilst Bayern's competition could well be described as not so fierce.
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Are there only City, liverpool, and Chelsea above us?
 
Reducation said:
Oh i'd say they are. Not as big as United though.
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So Guardiola did take over as coach of one of the most media scrutinized clubs in the world which comes with huge pressure then? Because in your post you made being coach of bayern out to be similar to a midtable club in terms of pressure.


Reducation said:
But you have picked only that point, and ignored the Fergie departure and the key but ageing defenders running on empty and the rise of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea whilst Bayern's competition could well be described as not so fierce.
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I didn't ignore anything nothing in my post disputed any of that, i bolded the part about the bayern job because i disagreed with it.

As for Guardiola not being under the same pressure i disagree, he took over a team which won the treble last season, anything less than that again this season could be considered a failure.

I know one thing if Bayern were languishing 7th in their league and out of every cup by the start of april guardiola would probably have lost his job, thats pressure, pressure to succeed. In that scenario i doubt he would be smiling in interviews after defeats and looking like he hasn't a care in the world.
 
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Reducation said:
Oh i'd say they are. Not as big as United though. But you have picked only that point, and ignored the Fergie departure and the key but ageing defenders running on empty and the rise of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea whilst Bayern's competition could well be described as not so fierce.
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Ageing defenders? Distin is 36, older than Rio and still playing for a side who are above us, Terry is older than Vidic. Why are our players past it, 'running on empty' and they're not? Cos its just an excuse for Moyes' failure.
 
devilish said:
They dominated us home and away. At home we went out celebrating a 1-1 draw after passing much of our game parking the bus in front of our goal.

In the away game we did better but Lets face it, when we dared compromising Bayern's CL run they smashed us in pieces after 4 minutes.
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I think we were far too pleased with ourselves in that tie. Had we lost the first match 1-3 and then drawn the second, the perception would be entirely different.
 
Americano said:
I think we were far too pleased with ourselves in that tie. Had we lost the first match 1-3 and then drawn the second, the perception would be entirely different.
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Quite agree, shows how far we've fallen that a backs against the wall , underdog performance was so numbly accepted as the best we can do.
 
stevoc said:
It would also make their whole succession plans look ill thought out from the start despite them saying they have been working on it for years, a perception im sure they would not be too happy with.
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Succession plan? I definitely saw an interview with Bobby Charlton a few years back where he said there was no plan in place for when SAF retired.
 
Americano said:
I think we were far too pleased with ourselves in that tie. Had we lost the first match 1-3 and then drawn the second, the perception would be entirely different.
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Depends on the context. It won't be remembered as a historic result. Losing 4-2 to a Bayern team that didn't really reach their best form is hardly memorable.

However it was pretty much the first time all season that we've shown a little backbone, and it came at the same time as our best form in the league all season (yeah that is also a relative thing).

If we have a solid season next year, we'll probably look back at the results as the point where things stopped getting worse.

If.
 
I'm not entirely sure what needs to happen for him to get the sack. We're in a predicament really. Glazers love their money, and to sack Moyes I assume they'd have to compensate him about £20million going by his 6 year contract and his annual salary.

Ignoring that bit though, who knows whether the club has already decided to sack him and are just waiting till the end of the season to just see whether he can actually magically turn us into a title-fighting team for next season.

Losing against Everton - I don't think that'll really be the nail in the coffin. It depends how the club look at it really. Going by this season, it will be no surprise for us to lose to them so will it be that "bad" if we lose to them. On the other hand, seeing your old club doing the double over United is quite something.

We're still effectively in the top 4 hunt, and however improbable it may be, it's obvious we'll give Moyes this time.

I think we should focus on what Moyes says from now until the end of the season in terms of his press conferences and such. He's been a fighter up until now in them, we'll see if there's any change in his attitude. Not expecting going from "I'm still learning here, next season we'll be back up there" to "I'm done here, United will be back next season I'm sure of it" - but maybe more of a "United will be back up there next season I'm sure of it".

We shall see. If he wins the remaining games though, then I honestly can not see the club sacking him at all.

It all comes down to the Glazers obviously. It's their money - do they trust Moyes is the question that many people have asked. This squad needs a big revamp, which means they need to show a lot of moo-la. He's given us Mata, but he's also given us a non-United quality Fellaini.

This is when I'd love an ITK to just say what the present scenario is at the club :drool:
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I'm not entirely sure what needs to happen for him to get the sack. We're in a predicament really. Glazers love their money, and to sack Moyes I assume they'd have to compensate him about £20million going by his 6 year contract and his annual salary.
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Loose change compared to what he has already cost the club.

£30m from missing Champions League, £27m on Fellaini. Hundreds of millions wiped off the value of the club via the share price plunge.
 
Pexbo said:
Loose change compared to what he has already cost the club.

£30m from missing Champions League, £27m on Fellaini. Hundreds of millions wiped off the value of the club via the share price plunge.
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Not to mention our impending spending spree. His compensation will be the last thing stopping the Glazers.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I'm not entirely sure what needs to happen for him to get the sack. We're in a predicament really. Glazers love their money, and to sack Moyes I assume they'd have to compensate him about £20million going by his 6 year contract and his annual salary.
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Given our performance this season that chances of Moyes being able to claim wrongful dismissal are pretty much zip. Rather his lawyers and ours would come to an agreement on a severance package, which I would guess would not be the full value of the contract.
 
There are most likely clauses in the contract that cover the severance package or what not, like failing to qualify for the CL.
 
The only possible good thing we can hope for in the remainder of this season involves Chelsea winning the title... Thank you Moyes for putting us in this position.

Now go **** yourself.
 
mark_a said:
Succession plan? I definitely saw an interview with Bobby Charlton a few years back where he said there was no plan in place for when SAF retired.
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Well i don't remember ever hearing Sir Bobby commenting on it, not being on the board maybe Charlton wasn't involved in discussions about it, but if he did say something along those lines it would contradict everything else that has come out of the club in the last few years on the subject.

Here are two links where Gill & Woodward speak of united plans after SAF as far back as 2010:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...known-Manchester-United-says-Ed-Woodward.html

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...erguson-successor-revealed-article631165.html

The Gill article is interesting it would seem to rule out moyes given the criteria Gill had in mind yet in the end it was he who was appointed, also interesting that they didn't want a manager to come in who needed to make wholesale changes that ones going well, its clear Fergusons succession is not going in any way how they imagined or hoped it would go.
 
bishblaize said:
Depends on the context. It won't be remembered as a historic result. Losing 4-2 to a Bayern team that didn't really reach their best form is hardly memorable.

However it was pretty much the first time all season that we've shown a little backbone, and it came at the same time as our best form in the league all season (yeah that is also a relative thing).

If we have a solid season next year, we'll probably look back at the results as the point where things stopped getting worse.

If.
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The Bayern result was a testament to the quality of our squad, the ones we have heard people say are past it and inferior to everyone else. They can still compete with top clubs so definitely not as bad as 7th in the league.

I know Bayern are Champions but we were set up not to lose in both games and that is all Moyes can do with the team. But when it comes to dominating games and going on the front foot, he is unable to get them to do this, especially against good teams. As you said, a few good results against poor opposition is too little, too late. Where was this form when we really needed it?
 
stevoc said:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...erguson-successor-revealed-article631165.html

The Gill article is interesting it would seem to rule out moyes given the criteria Gill had in mind yet in the end it was he who was appointed, also interesting that they didn't want a manager to come in who needed to make wholesale changes that ones going well, its clear Fergusons succession is not going in any way how they imagined or hoped it would go.
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Gill’s comments would appear to rule out domestic candidates like David Moyes, Steve Bruce and Roy Keane and indicate United are thinking on a global level – in Jose Mourinho terms.
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It is very mind-boggling if the comments regarding Gill's criteria are true. Even if Mourinho was hired, I don't think anyone would have ever spoken about wholesale changes if a manager with a global reputation joined United. The talk of wholesale changes usually comes with mid-table managers.

A lot of things have gone wrong in all of this, especially a blatant lack of communication between the heads of power.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Losing against Everton - I don't think that'll really be the nail in the coffin. It depends how the club look at it really. Going by this season, it will be no surprise for us to lose to them so will it be that "bad" if we lose to them. On the other hand, seeing your old club doing the double over United is quite something.
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That's the point. The season has been such a disaster, that another poor/awful result is just another drop in the ocean for many. He should be sacked on the spot if Everton drive us into the ground with their passing and movement.
 
stevoc said:
Well i don't remember ever hearing Sir Bobby commenting on it, not being on the board maybe Charlton wasn't involved in discussions about it, but if he did say something along those lines it would contradict everything else that has come out of the club in the last few years on the subject.

Here are two links where Gill & Woodward speak of united plans after SAF as far back as 2010:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...known-Manchester-United-says-Ed-Woodward.html

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...erguson-successor-revealed-article631165.html

The Gill article is interesting it would seem to rule out moyes given the criteria Gill had in mind yet in the end it was he who was appointed, also interesting that they didn't want a manager to come in who needed to make wholesale changes that ones going well, its clear Fergusons succession is not going in any way how they imagined or hoped it would go.
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It's rumoured that Gill was a strong advocate for Mourinho but got overruled by Sir Alex and Sir Bob. :(
 
I remember Charlton talking about Jose and him poking Tito in the eye and how that stuck with him and that is not how he would want a United manager to behave.
 
Cal? said:
It's rumoured that Gill was a strong advocate for Mourinho but got overruled by Sir Alex and Sir Bob. :(
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I have read the same from several different journalists over the years, with Gill standing down he wouldn't have had the influence that he once did when it came time for the decision to be made last summer.

I won't lie Mourinho wouldn't have been my first choice maybe not even in my top five but that level of coach is definitely the line of thinking we should have followed instead of the illogical one we did.

I always found it bizarre that whenever a big job came up Moyes understandably was never rumoured to be in the running but was always touted as a successor to ferguson, why?

Whats done is done now but i doubt many united fans would have had him in their top 5 candidates to replace SAF.
 
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