How much more do you think he should have won in the situations he was in?
What next for Jürgen Klopp?
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How much more do you think he should have won in the situations he was in?
To be fair to him, City being untouchable has fecked Jurgen here a bit. He'd likely have had a couple more titles had it not been for City.
With a full head of hair. Can't just gloss over that
The clubs he managed were Dortmund and Liverpool who had not won the league in 30 years coming up against Pep's city. How much better was he supposed to have done exactly?
With regards to this job, man takes comfortable, well paid job in his home country that is likely less stressful than his previous job. The only people who should be surprised at this are the people who held Klopp up as something more than just a normal human, because most people would have taken a job like this.
A better point of discussion would be if he will actually be any good at his job. He seems far more of the profile of a manager than someone to pour over reports and statistics to make decisions.
If Pep, like Klopp, invested in a full head of hair like that 15 years ago, he could have also topped Klopp in number of commercial partners.
Hilarious considering he rejected Man Utd because it was presented as football’s disneyland
Considering that he was at Mainz, Dortmund and Liverpool while up against Bayern and City this is a very good haul.
Don't get me wrong, I find the guy highly unlikeable and I'm glad he never ended up at my club, but to belittle his achievements doesn't do him justice.
There's a lot of copium to try and undermine him as a manager. Let's not forget he lost out on trophies due to actually demonstrable cheating.
Yep. Instead he had to settle for shilling for Qatar and UAE
8 major trophies is probably more than 99% of managers out there.
To be fair to him he competeted against much richer teams in each league. 115 brigade took 2? titles from him
Klopp is clearly an all-time great and his trophy haul is still good.
I think he's a top 10 football manager of all time. You could probably make an argument for top 5 too.
EDIT: sorry, meant top 5 this century
I think he's a top 10 football manager of all time. You could probably make an argument for top 5 too.
EDIT: sorry, meant top 5 this century
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That is actually quite a flattering list when you dive deeper into it. PL comes with a large asterisk. Covid riddled season, no crowds, huge restrictions in training etc. How convenient Liverpool’s only title in 40 years came in a season where the entire world was shut down.
English domestic cups came all against Chelsea on pens or after extra time, they got properly battered in all those finals. Several dodgy VAR calls going in their favor in at least two of the finals.
Their potential opponents in the CL final were Spurs or Ajax. That’s the caliber of opponents you’re fortunate if you face in the EL QFs, never mind in a CL final. Even then they needed a cheap nothing pen in the opening minute to win.
His Dortmund team was good and they deserved the titles. But Bayern were very inconsistent in that period. In the years prior Wolfsburg, Stuttgart and Bremen had all won the league. Bayern’s dominance since makes it seem like he stopped a dynasty at the time but that wasn’t the case at all. He was simply in the right place at the right time.
I'd give up my left testicle to win the CL and PL right now.
Some context though that he also made 4 Champions League finals with two teams - — as many as Pep and Fergie. Wenger only ever made one for example.
The Premier League they won was done with one of the greatest winning stretches in modern history and finished with 99 points. They finished second twice with 90+ points to a great City team.
With Dortmund, until Alonso he was the only non-Bayern manager to win the Bundesliga for a period of 14 years.
Because he consistently overachieved against bigger opposition with more resources in a very entertaining manner. Rating individuals solely based on trophies is silly. Context matters more than anything.
Management is much more than just trophies. It's all relative. Unai Emery has won nothing at Villa but most trophy winning managers won't be able to do what he's doing at Villa. It's like saying Francesco Totti was a bang average player because he didn't have many trophies.
Yep, that's a list of achievements without any context behind them - and generally speaking as well, his teams have always been hella exciting to watch as well. But I get simon's point as well - history at the end of the day will most likely only remember the "winners" when talking about the GOATs.
Just offer him 50m a year to become head coach at United.
Excellent post.
This is going to be a blow for the Kopites 'holier than thou' beliefs. Pretty much every hero of theirs in the last 30 years has ended up as a sell out or in disgrace, despite their insistance that they are 'different' and above things like money. Owen and Benitez went to big rivals, Carragher spat at a child, Suarez racistly abused a player, Gerrard, Henderson, Firmino, Mane, Fabinho, Wijnaldum all went after the Saudi money, and now Klopp is joining the most artificial project in German football.
I wonder if they will have the humility to realise now that they are actually on better or pure than any other club.
I wonder if they will have the humility to realise now that they are actually on better or pure than any other club.
Could've won 3 CL trophies in 5 years had he not come up against the most unbeatable Champions League club of all-time in the other two finals. So unlucky.
This.
I'm not a fan of the guy but you can't deny he's an excellent manager. He'd have more trophies if it wasn't for Abu Dhabi FC.
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Outside of banter, the PL victory doesn’t come with an asterisk they won 27 out of 29 games before Covid hit haha. They actually dropped off significantly when there were no crowds after the break. If anything we should be grateful that it stopped them getting 100+ points and Liverpool fans going on about it forever.
You'd struggle to get him in the top 5, if only for the absolutely amazing managers that had a bigger impact on the game, bigger consistency, bigger trophy haul, etc. He was however a great manager, very passionate about football, and I'm genuinely surprised he's taking this job after his mini break.
I'd get on board if he let some of his teeth to regain their natural color. His smile is more fake than a cheap knockoff designer handbag. Until that he's crap.
I never even much liked him but had a lot of respect for him, which just took a massive hit.
WANKER!
Yeah, those cycling off years meant they missed out on a lot of trophies.
Top 5 is impossible and you'd have a very valid argument for him not even making a top 15. He's not even Liverpool's greatest manager of all-time.
You'd struggle to get him in the top 5, if only for the absolutely amazing managers that had a bigger impact on the game, bigger consistency, bigger trophy haul, etc. He was however a great manager, very passionate about football, and I'm genuinely surprised he's taking this job after his mini break.
The only current managers with a claim to a top 10 are Ancelotti, Pep and Mourinho imo.
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Don't fall for the Austrian propaganda!
Nah, they'll continue to parrot it.
It's crazy people still want to say this when they were miles ahead before the shutdown. They were comfortably the best team in the country and were going to win it. It is what it is, at least they never got to enjoy it properly.
He's already saying we. 
Klopp was always a huge hypocrite. This is nothing new.
Klopp was always a huge hypocrite. This is nothing new.
Bayern were not inconsistent. It was pretty normal for Bayern to win about every second title and sometimes two in a row.
Winning back-to-back titles with a club that was close to bankruptcy and lost in mediocrity in the league was massively impressive. And he did not only win two titles in a row, he did break the Bundesliga points record for the second title. So that wasn't due to any "weakness" of Bayern, that was breathtaking stuff.
Bayern did change their approach in response to Dortmund and turned into the (nationally) unstoppable machine we have seen for the following decade and that overshadows Klopp's performances actually, but we should not forget that Dortmund's rise under Klopp was a big reason that prompted Bayern to change their approach. So far they valued their safe profitability and reasonable dominance over the league, but then they had to think bigger, sign more expensive and essentially build a team able to win the CL to even be sure of winning the league. That worked brilliantly for them, but I am quite sure we wouldn't have seen this without Klopp humiliating them with Dortmund.
To give an idea how Dortmund fans are taking this.
And funny that people are saying Bayern were poor when Klopp won the league, they reached the UCL final the year Dortmund did the league and cup double over them in 2012. Bayern were arguably the best team in Europe during that time (2 finals and 1 title).
Money, money, money!
Think of the teeth he can get now.
Think of the teeth he can get now.