Sorry Abramovich boy, but not everyone is as venal as each other.
Klopp confirming his hypocrisy is only evidence of Jurgen Klopp confirming his hypocrisy, not some transparent, self-serving 'they're all as bad as each other' false equivalence.
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Sorry Abramovich boy, but not everyone is as venal as each other.
Klopp confirming his hypocrisy is only evidence of Jurgen Klopp confirming his hypocrisy, not some transparent, self-serving 'they're all as bad as each other' false equivalence.
I get the point, but did Klopp reinvent himself more than some of those other guys? It would be interesting to hear your take.
For example, Wenger had success with Monaco in a French 4-4-2 (which is typically more of a diamond shape). He moved to Arsenal and succeeded with a very traditional anglo flat 4-4-2 set-up. Then he redesigned his team into a more technical counter-attacking outfit, usually playing 4-2-3-1. That team looked very different to his first title-winning side. And then as he saw the emerging changes about to sweep across Spain, he moved away from the big physical midfielders (Vieira, Gilberto) to smaller ball retainers (Fabregas, Hleb, Rosicky, Edu, Ozil, Nasri, Ramsey, Wilshere). Three very different styles of play at Arsenal alone and each in response to, or in anticipation of, how football was changing.
Klopp has been far less hypocritical here than most seem to believe. Some years ago he already talked about how well RB are working, how exciting it is and simply called it a different approach/background than the traditional clubs. He never really condemned them. He knows how to mezmerize a club and it's fanbase, but he never appeared as an advocate against the kind of thing RB are doing. Only deluded fans thought of him that way.
I think it's not Klopp who was put in the wrong category, but (as you explain) Wenger, who should be called more alongside SAF then alongside Mou.
Yes, Liverpool fans.
We all knew he was fake. Good, great possibly, but still fake.
It's a shame people believe everyone is like him, but there it is.
Definitely latest with Abramovic, which was over two decades ago. Who was the first foreign investor? Al-Fayet?
After Abramovic the floodgates kinda opend: Glazers, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Fenway, Saudi Arabia etc.
If I am not mistaken, before the PL the clubs were mostly owned by rich individuals/families with ties to the respective region. When that changed, the "selling out" happened - at least for me. Keep in mind, I have a German perspective on this.
Hard to forget with you guys!
More seriously, yeah Al Fayed was the first, but didn't seem particularly problematic (his ownership, that is - him as a person, that's another story), then Abramovic which of course was the beginning of the end. I don't think foreign ownership as a whole is an issue and while I respect the approach in Germany (though the 50+1 is a bit overstated considering you have big exceptions to it), I don't think it's the only right one, depending on your objectives for the league. And I believe the PL could have achieved most of its objectives, i.e. being a or the leading league in terms of viewership, revenue, etc. without selling its soul, by establishing much stronger fit and proper rules - which are frankly speaking a joke.
Hey, it's neither my fault nor merit that I was born there.Hard to forget with you guys!
More seriously, yeah Al Fayed was the first, but didn't seem particularly problematic (his ownership, that is - him as a person, that's another story), then Abramovic which of course was the beginning of the end. I don't think foreign ownership as a whole is an issue and while I respect the approach in Germany (though the 50+1 is a bit overstated considering you have big exceptions to it), I don't think it's the only right one, depending on your objectives for the league. And I believe the PL could have achieved most of its objectives, i.e. being a or the leading league in terms of viewership, revenue, etc. without selling its soul, by establishing much stronger fit and proper rules - which are frankly speaking a joke.
(Which is why I also don't understand nationalism, but that is another topic...) I also live somewhere else now.I didn't want to show a ‘we're better than you’ attitude either. I just wanted to explain why my view of the PL is perhaps a little naive/different. All models of ownership probably have pros and cons, be it monetary or emotionally.
Lawn Ball Klopper76, we don't want to break any rules.
Klopp in 2017: "I'm a football romantic and I like tradition in football and all that stuff. I don’t like multi club ownerships and wouldn’t want to have anything like that.”
Klopp the other day: “I’m a big supporter of Red Bull’s football operation. Their multi club ownership model is something I cannot wait to get started with.”
Klopp the other day: “I’m a big supporter of Red Bull’s football operation. Their multi club ownership model is something I cannot wait to get started with.”
Yes, they've woken up to him, also.
What a piece of shit!Football died in 1992 so obviously it was the establishment of the Premier League 32 years ago when a few top clubs got greedy and wanted the lion's share of the money:
"The first major step to its formation occurred in October 1990, when the managing director of London Weekend Television (LWT), Greg Dyke, met with the representatives of the "big five" clubs – David Dein of Arsenal, Philip Carter of Everton, Noel White of Liverpool, Martin Edwards of Manchester United and Irving Scholar of Tottenham Hotspur. The meeting was to pave the way for a breakaway from the Football League. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for ITV if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money."
Imagine the amazing riots if Dortmund, Bayern, Gladbach, Stuttgart, HSV, Bremen etc tried pulling away from the DFL with a German Super League
That's also why German fans protest against RB, Dietmar Hopp, and Uefa, the moment they don't push back our greedy CEOs will sign up for the European Super League or make matchday tickets unaffordable and slowly but surely the local fans will be priced out such that 20 years later the Bundesliga will be like the PL: Too expensive for most locals, touristy, sanitised, with docile fans waving plastic flags and clappers on CL nights.I agree. I don't blame German fans for being extremely cautious seeing how bad it's gotten everywhere else.
Very much disagree with this.Football died in 1992 so obviously it was the establishment of the Premier League 32 years ago when a few top clubs got greedy and wanted the lion's share of the money:
"The first major step to its formation occurred in October 1990, when the managing director of London Weekend Television (LWT), Greg Dyke, met with the representatives of the "big five" clubs – David Dein of Arsenal, Philip Carter of Everton, Noel White of Liverpool, Martin Edwards of Manchester United and Irving Scholar of Tottenham Hotspur. The meeting was to pave the way for a breakaway from the Football League. Dyke believed that it would be more lucrative for ITV if only the larger clubs in the country were featured on national television and wanted to establish whether the clubs would be interested in a larger share of television rights money."
Imagine the amazing riots if Dortmund, Bayern, Gladbach, Stuttgart, HSV, Bremen etc tried pulling away from the DFL with a German Super League
No surprise PL fans are in denial that English clubs are sellouts to billionaires from Abu Dhabi to Walmart and twerk hard for TV money, but 1991-92 was also approximately the time (pardon I wasn't yet a sentient being) when the knockout format European Cup got rebranded into the Champions League with a group stage that ensured top CL clubs wouldn't exit the competition as easily in the early stages due to a head-to-head David v Goliath upset. The change in format from full knockouts to partial knockouts put an end to the likes of Red Star Belgrade (1991), PSV (1986), Steaua Bucharest (1988), Aston Villa (1982) winning Europe's top club competition over elite money clubs like Real Madrid, Barca, Milan, Man Utd. Some say 2024's CL format change is also aimed at giving elite CL clubs a playoff if they underperform in the groups but the format change in the 1990s was worse in dealing a critical blow to the possibility of underdog sides claiming the honour of being #1 in Europe.
As someone who's never watched the EC, it's too bad my generation never got to witness the joy of seeing Turkish or Eastern European clubs eliminate Bayern or Chelsea in the 2nd round of the European Cup. So yes the PL and CL were both born out of pure unfettered greed and turned the working class sport of football into a moneyed, 130m transfer fee behemoth it is today teeming with clones of Mino Raiola and Sepp Blatter.
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That's not what I said though. But I've had this conversation with another poster above already.
He's such a disingenuous twat.
He obviously just somehow missed they were operating the most hated club in Germany.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/juergen-klopp-defends-move-to-red-bull-40239007
He obviously just somehow missed they were operating the most hated club in Germany.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/juergen-klopp-defends-move-to-red-bull-40239007