What next for Jürgen Klopp?

Klopp is clearly an all-time great and his trophy haul is still good.

I think he's a top 10 football manager of all time. You could probably make an argument for top 5 too.

Eh?

Based on what exactly?

(I don't see any white text here, but maybe you were being sarcastic - I would hope so.)

Klopp is not a top 5 manager in an all-time context, this is beyond debate. Unless you were born almost literally yesterday, this should be obvious to you.
 
He's probably so pissed off that his beloved Liverpool have forgot about him already, he needs to get back in the lime light somehow.
 
Fair fecks mate. I still think top 5 this century is a reach, but it doesn't really matter ultimately.
Top 5 this century is pretty loaded: (in no particular order) Pep, José, Carlo, Zidane, SAF, Wenger, Simeone, Conte. And then you can throw in Flick, Tuchel, Bielsa, Manchini, Enrique et al. And I am probably missing some.
To me, personally, Klopp is probably not in the top 5 for this century.
 
Top 5 this century is pretty loaded: (in no particular order) Pep, José, Carlo, Zidane, SAF, Wenger, Simeone, Conte. And then you can throw in Flick, Tuchel, Bielsa, Manchini, Enrique et al. And I am probably missing some.
To me, personally, Klopp is probably not in the top 5 for this century.
This is a hilarious take.
 
After all the years doob has spent arrogantly defending Klopp’s “values” because he says nice things at press conferences, this is pretty hilarious.

Between this and the Rheinmetall stuff, the “we are better than you” German football moral army have had a tough time recently. Their image destroyed, their heroes disgraced.

Be humble, kids.
 
After all the years doob has spent arrogantly defending Klopp’s “values” because he says nice things at press conferences, this is pretty hilarious.

Between this and the Rheinmetall stuff, the “we are better than you” German football moral army have had a tough time recently. Their image destroyed, their heroes disgraced.

Be humble, kids.
as a neutral in the German-English beef, obviously disliking both sides, there's absolutely no equivalence in Klopp taking a job at RedBull or Rheinmetall sponsorship to having clubs in your league owned by authoritarian states - and it's even more embarrassing when they steamroll the competition, like City or PSG.
 
Not the type of role I would have envisioned him in. I guess those last few years at Liverpool wiped him out. Probably developed his own idea of how the people above the head coach should be
 
Being founded by a right-winger, erosion of traditional values, commercialisation, corporate control, profit-drive, clubs turned into brands, consumers instead of fans,

Sounds like the previous club he managed.

Think he was a top manager, just beaten into submission by Pep and Don Carlo.

Now taken up another corporate role to improve the message of taurine.

Tops.
 
as a neutral in the German-English beef, obviously disliking both sides, there's absolutely no equivalence in Klopp taking a job at RedBull or Rheinmetall sponsorship to having clubs in your league owned by authoritarian states - and it's even more embarrassing when they steamroll the competition, like City or PSG.

I’m not English. There’s no specific “beef” I’m referencing.

My point is they are just like all the rest of us. Morally imperfect. And they should stop acting like they’re better than everyone else.

Also, downplaying the Rheinmetall sponsorship in the context of the current situation…do you really want to go there bud?
 
The amount of salt in this thread is hilarious. A salt mine really. He was offered a great job and should've rejected it, because he once coached Dortmund? I wouldn't have batted an eye either, he gets a challenge he wants on the terms he probably asked for and can walk for NT whenever he wants.
Hilarious how United forum of all places is ripping into it. But I understand, a great rival manager you can never forget.
 
There is no doubt that the top 3 this century are Ancelotti Ferguson and Guardiola. I dont think more than 10% of football fans will disagree with that. The next one is probably Mourinho and I think many wouldnt disagree with that either.
The next one I would lean towards Klopp.. I rate him higher than the likes of Wenger Zidane and Simeone. Winning the Bundesliga twice alone is more impressive than everything Wenger has ever done bar that invincible season. In terms of resources Arsenal was not that far behind Man United. His Liverpool side also won the Champions League which Wenger has never done. I would put Klopp Wenger and Zidane in the same tier but Klopp just edges it for me. Simeone should be below those 3.
 
The amount of salt in this thread is hilarious. A salt mine really. He was offered a great job and should've rejected it, because he once coached Dortmund? I wouldn't have batted an eye either, he gets a challenge he wants on the terms he probably asked for and can walk for NT whenever he wants.
Hilarious how United forum of all places is ripping into it. But I understand, a great rival manager you can never forget.
You are missing/ignoring context. He always thrived in the „us against the system“ underdog role (which was always hilarious due to BVB being a publicly listed company) and now joins Red Bull. All the stuff he preached was for nothing. You can tell by how surprised and sad/angry a lot of naive Dortmund supporters are today.
 
You are missing/ignoring context. He always thrived in the „us against the system“ underdog role (which was always hilarious due to BVB being a publicly listed company) and now joins Red Bull. All the stuff he preached was for nothing. You can tell by how surprised and sad/angry a lot of naive Dortmund supporters are today.
I’m just surprised so many believed in this facade and really took him for some champion for a just cause. Idolizing rich and successful people is excusable only until you turn 18-20
 
The amount of salt in this thread is hilarious. A salt mine really. He was offered a great job and should've rejected it, because he once coached Dortmund? I wouldn't have batted an eye either, he gets a challenge he wants on the terms he probably asked for and can walk for NT whenever he wants.
Hilarious how United forum of all places is ripping into it. But I understand, a great rival manager you can never forget.
The fact that "salt" is pretty universal should tell you it's not particularly a rival thing but rather people highlighting how much of a hypocrite he is.
 
Not the type of role I would have envisioned him in. I guess those last few years at Liverpool wiped him out. Probably developed his own idea of how the people above the head coach should be

I think the opposite - there were lots of rumors that Klopp was acting DOF towards the end of his time at Liverpool and him and his guy (the previous DOF) basically forced out Michael Edwards and wanted to run their own operation. Eventually the nerds won out, Klopp left, Edwards is back and they're back to the more traditional moneyball / DOF driven approach again.
 
You can tell by how surprised and sad/angry a lot of naive Dortmund supporters are today.
I mean it wasn't out of the blue. Prior to Redbull Klopp already did a ton of ads even for Deutsche Vermögensberatung which is a MLM scam company, shilling for DVAG is worse than RB and it's clear he gives zero fecks about who he collaborates with for the right price. At Dortmund he used to be criticized by rival fans for his hair transplants (followed by veneers at Liverpool) and for trying to dress like a teenager, it was explained as his way of connecting with young players but Klopp clearly just did a lot of surgery to look like a commercialised product that can shill everything from cars, sausages, insurance because prior to his cosmetic adjustments he had a gloomier image. That's no different Instagram and Tiktok "stars" who get plastic surgery to look like their filtered selves so they can shill brands online, except Klopp was already hustling like this in the late 2000s because he never had lucrative wages as a player. I do find the whole "joining clubs that sing YWNA" very cringe, but Klopp probably thought it's romantic.

Ultimately joining FSG and the PL is frankly no different to joining Redbull; German fans protest Redbull essentially because they fear the Bundesliga will become corporation-dominated, unaffordable, with a soulless atmosphere like the PL. Leipzig's matchday tickets are still way cheaper than Liverpool yet German fans don't really criticise any of our trainers for joining the uber commercialised PL when PL clubs are like Redbull on steroids.
 
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The reaction online has been hilarious, a lot of vitriol directed at him.
It's funny how seemingly small the moral issues German football has compared to everywhere else. German fans are outraged at the idea that a coach might work for an energy drink company that owns dozens of sports teams while the PL is getting legal threats from Abu Dhabi. :lol:
 
There is no doubt that the top 3 this century are Ancelotti Ferguson and Guardiola.

Bit early in the century to make this assessment no? :lol: The only one with a chance of being mentioned for tactical innovations at the end of the century is Guardiola, both Ancelotti and Ferguson are great man managers more than top tacticians, and man management isn't as highly regarded as much as tactical doctrines because future generations of players can't be managed the way Fergie managed his players in the 1990s with strict hairdryer discipline or boots to the head.
 
Bit early in the century to make this assessment no? :lol: The only one with a chance of being mentioned for tactical innovations at the end of the century is Guardiola, both Ancelotti and Ferguson are great man managers more than top tacticians, and man management isn't as highly regarded as much as tactical doctrines because future generations of players can't be managed the way Fergie managed his players in the 1990s with strict hairdryer discipline or boots to the head.
Both Ferguson and Klopp also constantly reinvented themselves and were ahead of the curve over an extended period of time with huge changes and new obstacles in the sport though (tactically to a lesser extent than Guardiola who is closer to "a tactical GTO" but with other skills to compensate).
Managers like Mourinho/Wenger/Benitez etc just had their spell of something that worked vs the current strategy/tactics of a specific period. When their strategy got figured out and replicated or countered it stopped working, with them sitting there unable to adapt to new ideas to keep them ahead of the curve.
This is the main difference between good managers and great managers, in my opinion.
 
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It's funny how seemingly small the moral issues German football has compared to everywhere else. German fans are outraged at the idea that a coach might work for an energy drink company that owns dozens of sports teams while the PL is getting legal threats from Abu Dhabi. :lol:
It's because the PL (and London) started selling out decades ago. 95% of German fans don't want what happened to the PL to happen to the Bundesliga. It is simply normalised in England.
 
It's because the PL (and London) started selling out decades ago. 95% of German fans don't want what happened to the PL to happen to the Bundesliga. It is simply normalised in England.
The selling out, or more exactly the massive marketing push, could have happened with better, more competent, insightful people in charge.

Out of curiosity, when do you believe the "selling out" began, as you mention "decades"?
 
Klopp is clearly an all-time great and his trophy haul is still good.

I think he's a top 10 football manager of all time. You could probably make an argument for top 5 too.

I'm a huge fan of Klopp but he would find it difficult to make it to the top 5 German coaches of all time let alone top 5 ever.
 
Would have been hilarious if he replaced Ten Hag.

As it is he becomes even more unlikable by joining the Red Bull group.
 
He's no different to any footballer, manager or even fan.

The moral protagonist persona is only there until it gets in the way of their/their teams ambitions.