I'd say he's more or less in the top 3 in the world now. Pushing Ronaldo very close.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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Having a fantastic season in the domestic league is not enough to push Ronaldo who is in his 4th consecutive 50+ season and on the way to break the record for most goals in a CL season. It's one thing to score 35 goals in, say, 30 games and quite another to score 55 goals in 50 games. More games mean not only more goals but also tiredness, both physical and mental...Ronaldo is far superior as an athlete. Let us first see how Suarez fares when he plays twice a week before comparing him to Ronaldo.
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Well, he has done it at international level getting Copa América best player, and deservedly so after being key to beating Argentina in their own backyard, Messi and all.
He also was the South American qualifiers top scorer, ahead of Messi again.
I don't think he is at Messi/Ronaldo levels, but holding his lack of European activity against him seems quite convenient, if flawed.
Shame is I fully expect him to get to the World Cup completely wasted
Try nowhere near close to him or Messi.
Both of them will go down as all time greats.
Hatred for Suarez aside, he's got to keep this level for 3-4 years, and in Europe to get close.
He hasn't reached Messi/Ronaldo levels of consistency, no. Nor has he matched them at their respective peaks. But at this moment in time/this season, I don't believe at all that there's a massive gap between him and the other two.
I'd say Suarez, because of his age is between £45-60M.
Bale was inflated because of his age, and consistency over a few seasons, Ronaldo was the price he was because of obvious reasons plus his age at the time of the transfer (arguably Ronaldo could have been much more) but you also have to consider things like marketability with Suarez in terms of shirt sales and in a big team I don't think he can sell more merchandise than a player like Neymar for instance.
Bale was inflated because of his age, and consistency over a few seasons, Ronaldo was the price he was because of obvious reasons plus his age at the time of the transfer (arguably Ronaldo could have been much more) but you also have to consider things like marketability with Suarez in terms of shirt sales and in a big team I don't think he can sell more merchandise than a player like Neymar for instance.
No chance. Ronaldo is still on another stratosphere.
If Suarez goes he doesn't go for less than a record fee.
You are in denial if you think Suarez is worth a record fee, Suarez is world class, but he isn't worth over 80 Million Euros, as when the transfer happens he'd be 27 1/2, Bale was 23 when he moved, Ronaldo had just turned 24.
Plus Ronaldo had just left a team who were arguably the best in Europe with their attacking football, as I said, Ronaldo has marketability, he sells huge amounts of shirt sales, Suarez isn't a huge sporting brand like "CR7".
Suarez would go for £60M maximum, I don't see a fee higher than that being given considering there are players as capable as him in Europe.
Ask the caf what they think his price will be. He was going for £60m last year, his value hasn't decreased.
Who are these players that are as capable?
Suarez just turned 27, he is the same age as Cavani and a year younger than Falcao (depending on who you believe) and arguably better than both. You are smoking crack if you think Liverpool will sell him for that amount.
Suarez is worth what someone is willing to buy him for and what Liverpool are willing to sell him for.
If Liverpool simply refuse to let go of him for 60m, there is no point in valuing him for that. I think they are right to demand Bale money for him. He has not gotten in trouble this season as well so might get buyers as opposed to last summer
If Liverpool simply refuse to let go of him for 60m, there is no point in valuing him for that. I think they are right to demand Bale money for him. He has not gotten in trouble this season as well so might get buyers as opposed to last summer
You asked the Caf, I'd say £70m. Which I think City will pay in the summer, and get him. If you think that he is any way loyal you are deluded, as much as a Liverpool fan would be to think he is not racist.
He is hardly going to City, even if he wanted to Liverpool wouldn't let him go. There is a clause in the contract which states Liverpool don't have to listen to bids from PL clubs, we didn't sell him to Arsenal because they were top 4 rivals, they are def not going to sell to City now they are technically title rivals.
Pure speculation on all our parts, unless as it seems you have knowledge of his contract. Sorry, yes it seems you do have intimate knowledge of the terms and conditions of his contract.
Well I'm going by what Tony Barret says and he is very reliable on Liverpool related things.
The notion that the owners will accept 70 m for him after he just signed a new 4 year contract is laughable, if a team coming were not going to ask for anything offer than a quite frankly ridiculous sum of money think upwards 100 m, thats what the new contract gives us leverage to do.
New contracts aren't necessarily the be-all and end-all. They can be used for better leverage, but they don't guarantee that the player is staying.
What does then?
I don't think Suarez is going to ask to leave this year anyways. its mostly wishful thinking on the part of people who want to see him leave. The owners won't let him go for anything other than extraordinary money, they've saw how Spurs have coped with the loss of Bale, everybody understands how important he is to the future of the team, i would say they will want him to at least play a year of CL football with us before they consider offers.
Nothing does. Liverpool fans opinion on the matter is same like United fans' was after we refused to sell Ronaldo to real the first summer. Just because it happened once does not mean it would happen again. I think pete was right that if Suarez was dead set on leaving last summer, he would have one way or another. And I am sure he would have if Real had come in instead of Arsenal. In the end, playing for Arsenal instead of Pool was not that attractive a proposition. But for any South american player, the big two in Spain are on a different level to any other English club. I don't see Suarez staying if either of those were to come in, you may disagree but I am sure we will find out in coming seasons
Err, if Madrid actually properly come in for Suarez this summer with a big bid, you don't think you'll see the same amount of pouting from Suarez that went on last summer but multiplied by factor of ten?
The contract just gives the club more leverage, it means nothing more than that.
Bale had 3 years left to run on his contract with Spurs. Ronaldo had plenty of time left on his as well, and we would have offered him even better terms if he had of agreed to stay on, but if a player decides he wants to leave, the contracts not really going to stop him, not in this day and age.
We're not Spurs, there is no way we will sell him this summer, Madrid can come in if they like(although i doubt they will) like i said we will at least want to get a season out of the CL with him before we let him go.
The contract will stop him, what can he do refuse to train?
He pulled that stunt last summer, where did that get him, also worth noting he had less years on his deal as well.
We'll see i guess.
I'd agree with you that he's in the top 3, maybe dueling with Zlatan - but he is by no means close to Ronaldo at all
What is his info on the contract? Must have missed this.
Can't get the original article because you need a Times subscription, but here's what the article said:
http://sulia.com/latestfootierumours/f/bf6fa627-4e62-4bf2-bc39-7bd35e80cd1a/
http://dvc.teensdigest.com/articles/524?page=0
Suarez went from saying he'd stay if champions league was secured, and then switched it to him staying "doesn't depend" on it.
Seems a quick engineering of view to allow Real Madrid to come in, a club no one seems to be able to turn down.
Seems a quick engineering of view to allow Real Madrid to come in, a club no one seems to be able to turn down.
The club don't want to sell him and why should they.
Even Bale like money won't guarantee we will let him go.
Don't really care about the comparisons with Ronaldo , just nice we have one of the best players in the world in prime form and happy playing for LFC.
Even Bale like money won't guarantee we will let him go.
Don't really care about the comparisons with Ronaldo , just nice we have one of the best players in the world in prime form and happy playing for LFC.
Patrick Barclay just called him the best striker in Liverpool's history. Ahead of Keegan, Rush and Dalglish.
It has nothing to do with not being Spurs.
We went through a similar situation with Modric. It is easier to keep hold of your player when it is a domestic rival offering silly sums.
Chelsea offered 20-30 million all throughout the summer and all of Modric's bluff didn't stop us telling him and Chelsea to feck off.
Real are Real. Arsenal don't compare. And 86 million is not 40 million +1.
If Chelsea had offered us 40 million for Bale last summer and Real were offering 86 million for Suarez, both of them would be playing in white this season. And Suarez wouldn't be playing in Liverpool's away kit either.
I'm struggling to think of too many players Real have gone after that they didn't eventually get? Even world player of the years coming from title winning clubs?
Barclay is a moron.
If Real want Suarez it will be more than what they paid for Bale, I can't see them forking out close to £100m for a player they haven't shown any great desire for, not one they particularly need.
I'm not saying that Real will go for him, I'm saying that if they had gone in for him rather than Bale last summer with a world record bid and a domestic rival had made a silly offer for Bale, Bale would still be at Spurs and Suarez would be playing alongside Ronaldo.
I would say that Real didn't need Bale either tbh. They certainly had never shown any interest in him either before last summer, in fact most of the experts on here ridiculed the notion that Bale could ever play for a team like Real.
I would say that Real didn't need Bale either tbh. They certainly had never shown any interest in him either before last summer, in fact most of the experts on here ridiculed the notion that Bale could ever play for a team like Real.
It's Perez's Real though. He always signs a Galactico every summer so he'll be in for someone and he'll pay the price that's needed. It might be Suarez or it might be Aguero or Toure or someone else but I don't think you can rule it out.
Barclays an idiot.
Its easier to keep players when you've just challenged for the league and he has just signed a 4 year contract. If Madrid came in last season i agree he would have been gone, if they come in this season i think we will still be able to keep him unless the come in with an offer that blows the Bale one out of the water, we've built our team around him, no way we will let him go before he even plays CL, people on here will continue to insist he will go this summer for obvious reasons, but i trust the owners on this one.
If Spurs ever manage to develop another Bale i'm sure they would think twice about selling him as well, for the most part unless you have a manager like Ferguson who has a history of selling big players and replacing them with no worries, you don't sell your best players.
He won't get neither of them, if we refuse to sell there is nothing he can do, of course Suarez can throw a strop, refuse to train etc but he is already done that anyway.
Kick up a hissy fit? Refuse to train? Create a horrible atmosphere in the changing room?
He done that last summer, we still kept him, he's a strop but he also loves to play football by the time it gets to September he would be back to his best again.
When a player decides he wants to leave, more often than not it's the player who gets what he wants, despite the club wanting him to stay. Suarez may be the exception but I doubt that, especially if it's Madrid that come calling. If he does choose to stay with Liverpool though, my respect for him would go up by a lot.