Yes. Never actually did finish the darn thing but there were videos and stuff of penalty decisions that weren't given or given because of the players' reaction to a simple tug on the shirt or a touch on the leg. At the end of the day it's a contact sport and falling over (even in the area) because you've been tugged or touched is simply not going to cut it anymore.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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Yes. Never actually did finish the darn thing but there were videos and stuff of penalty decisions that weren't given or given because of the players' reaction to a simple tug on the shirt or a touch on the leg. At the end of the day it's a contact sport and falling over (even in the area) because you've been tugged or touched is simply not going to cut it anymore.
He was...
And from Webb's angle, he sees two players going shoulder to shoulder before Suarez suddenly does a bit of break-dancing.
I agree that it was a penalty but I don't blame Webb for not giving it after seeing it from his angle. He obviously feels Suarez is trying to con him.
Exactly. If the ref thinks you're trying to con him in the slightest then the 'deal' is off! No pen! (even if the initial contact is actually a foul)
In the gif Webb's body is blocking Chamberlain taking a swipe with his leg and catching Suarez, which obviously wasn't the case for Webb's view of the incident. It certainly looks more of a pen from the other angle but in either case you have to give it.He was...
And from Webb's angle, he sees two players going shoulder to shoulder before Suarez suddenly does a bit of break-dancing.
I agree that it was a penalty but I don't blame Webb for not giving it after seeing it from his angle. He obviously feels Suarez is trying to con him.
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Yea with the benefit of replay and from the assistants angle but in real time if Webb is not sure who got to the ball first he can't do anything but let it go, his attention like mine was probably drawn to what the fk Suarez was doing with the rest of his body and head.
Shame really
replay would have suited everyone better.I haven't actually seen much of Liverpool recently, but since Sturridge returned to the starting line-up Suarez has scored once in seven games but created plenty. That's not a coincidence, surely? How exactly would our resident scousers say his role has changed in the last few weeks?
He's not playing as a striker anymore. He's been starting wide and coming in from a more withdrawn role.
At home it hasn't been a problem, Sturridge and Suarez have been interchanging positions and defenders just haven't been able to pick them up.
There hasn't been a definite single centre forward as it were.
Yesterday and in other games notable away from home Suarez has been played too much on the right for my liking, partly because Sterling has been playing on the left and we have needed that bit of balance on the right hand side, especially with Coutinho making it into more of a midfield 3 and operating just in front of Gerrard and Henderson (or Allen)
At home it's a bit more of a free for all with more flexibility which is what Arsenal and Everton couldn't cope with.
He has been working hard for the team, the goals will come again I think.
I still think Rodgers wants that quality left sided player to give the balance we perhaps need.
He couldn't have done both, you can book for a dive but you can book for overexaggerating actual contact.
Where are you based? I've done a few courses but I have friends that are referees now. They simply sat an exam on the rules of the game. Sounds like your FA has a great system of training for refs.
He was defending doh!!!! He clearly moved in when he seen Ox , no need to. Was deffo a pen! I think his first movement in and his over reaction created enough doubt. Hence not given
I think we're overthinking this one a bit. Ref didn't want to give two penos here. Over reaction from Suarez gives a bottling ref a chance to take the easy way out of making a decision.
Agreed Stick.Then Gerrard should have walked but he bottled that aswell. Two wrongs in Howard Webb's mind obviously make a right. He is having a bad season IMO
To be honest I usually try to avoid having a pop at refs but he does annoy me. In the game I think Sterling put a hand on him and he made such a huge deal of it. A good ref would have called Sterling aside and spoke to him and booked or not booked him but Webb made a huge drama of a nothing incident. He is going to the world cup too so I'll see more of him this summer. Fantastic!!
Doesn't bode well mate. Our representative in the worst form of his career.....
We would have taken the penalty and red card for Gerrard happily. We would more likely have drawn the game with our 10 men. It would also have made Webb a better referee - for the day at least.
He bottled the penalty big time (which was a far bigger call than Gerrard's supposed red card).
Goals change games who knows what may have happened..In either case.
He bottled both decisions the Pen was a pen and the Gerrard incident was definitely a yellow card offense
For me that Gerrard tackle was a nailed on second yellow, as obvious as the penalty. That's the worrying thing that he got 2 big calls really really wrong. I know Pool fans used to say he was biased towards ourselves but to be honest I think he is just a bad ref. I have no doubt he ecided not to give you guys a penalty after giving one so soon before and then decided to be lenient with Gerrard knowing he had done you out of the Suarez decision. That's just weak refereeing.
This made me laugh!
lol probably thought about sending him off
What about mugging players on set pieces in the box (i.e. Skrtel)?
The thing about that is there's always a tussle in the area for a set piece...the slight tugging of shirts and jostling for positions BEFORE the ball is played, most times a ref would let that go. After the ball is played then if you're impeding the movement of the attacker by 'mugging' or a blatant pull of the shirt then it's obviously a foul or a pen.
Criticize Webb's performance as much as you like but let's not have a laugh, he dealt with the Sterling touching him situation very well by calling the captain. It wasn't a nothing incident.
I agree actually. What gets me about Webb overall is you just get the feeling he wants to the centre of attention.
A lot of refs are like that, a tad too theatrical. It has its uses though, and you rarely see players contesting Webb's authority throughout games, his decisions are usually accepted on a pitch.
Have you ever heard the saying "pissing in the wind" Roons ? Webb has an agenda in most Liverpool fans heads, your not going to convince them otherwise either, he got it wrong on Sunday on a few different occasions, could have changed the game in either direction but if there's a chance to act the victim and point the finger elsewhere they're on it like flies on shite.
Never mind SuperDan having an utterly hideous game in front of goal though, concentrate on the refs mistakes instead.
Think it's actually the opposite with Webb.
Because of numerous hate campaigns, he's desperate not to be in the spotlight, desperate not to be the centre of attention and over-compensates when trying to appear unbiased.
I think he used to be comfortably the best referee in the league, now he's weak and too influenced by the occasion or the name on the shirt.
Agreed. Don't know how anyone can say Webb wants to be the star of the show, he's nothing of the sort. Getting mixed up with the likes of Clattenburg and Dean there I think. Clattenburg is the one who wants it all about him. Webb doesn't want to spoil any spectacle and as such is scared to make a controversial or big decision.
I think we're confusing two things: being in the spotlight cos of the decisions, and being 'theatrical'. I think Webb, a bit like Clattenburg, likes to put on a bit of a show (Clattenburg does it much more though), but I don't think it's to be in the spotlight, it's just to reaffirm his authority (and with Webb it generally works I feel).
I think he's more passive than ever this season, because he wants to keep his nose clean in the run up to the World Cup.
Yeah and I also think his advisers would have told him last summer that lack of multiple suitors for him were a result of his on-field behavior.
I was actually talking about Webb!
But yeah, I suppose the same applies to Suarez.
But yeah, I suppose the same applies to Suarez.
Never mind SuperDan having an utterly hideous game in front of goal though, concentrate on the refs mistakes instead.
I agree in a way, we lost because of missed chances but didn't Moyes lay into Webb earlier this year after the Tottenham game , don't recall any mention of chances missed.
Pretty sure he did about an alleged decision involving the man himself Ashley Young.
Haven't checked for quotes so I may be wrong.
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Referees make mistakes all the time and managers react on occasion it's part and parcel. There's seemingly a belief that Webb has an anti Liverpool agenda all stemming as I remember from him sending Gerrard off (rightly so) at Old Trafford, Webbs been atoning for that correct decision ever since and United have been turned over more than once by him.
Perhaps he's just become a shit referee, no agenda, no favour, just shit.
This is it.
Most number of assists (10) in the Premier League, according to the official stats. Transfermarkt (not official) has him down as 17 (18 now) assists in the Premier League. I use a similar definition to theirs. It would be great if someone could make a video of all 18 assists - I imagine one or two would be taken off that figure because Transfermarkt treats winning a penalty as an assist.
His transfermarkt defined "assists" include: winning 3 penalties, forcing an own-goal (not even directly though, goalie pushes ball into defender type stuff), forcing a rebound off a GK for a team mate to score and then 2 instances where his attempt on goal was clearly deflected into a team mate's path, another where his pass leads to Sturridge scoring off his own rebound and finally 1 shot which rebounded off a defender into Sterling's path who also needed a rebound from the GK to score... pretty far-fetched even for transfermarkt that last one. (So it's 10 assists and 9 other "direct" involvements).
Wow, imagine a cheeky 70m bid last summer and he'd have been at newly crowned league winners Arsenal. Thank fcuk Wenger hasn't a clue to rub together.
Thanks for defining some of them, mate. Personally I count shots that rebound back into the path of a team mate who scores as assists.
I'd count winning penalties as well. You can't service your teammates much better than winning them a penalty.
It's funny, this definition of assists. In France, the translation for an assist is 'passe décisive', which means decisive pass literally, and it needs 3 criteria:
- last past before the goal;
- voluntary pass to the goalscorer;
- to put the goalscorer in a clear goalscoring situation.
The three being cumulative. Quite restrictive.
- last past before the goal;
- voluntary pass to the goalscorer;
- to put the goalscorer in a clear goalscoring situation.
The three being cumulative. Quite restrictive.